Moderator Elections

[EnderAndrew]

I didn't ask to be a mod, though that was worked for others.

 

I was nominated in a poll, among 9 other people. I went down the list and discussed my opinions on the lot.

[Gromnir]

rationalize all you want. we see a post where you is saying why ender could be a mod and why others folks shouldn't. if you wanna be mod then don't talk bad 'bout fellow posters... claim that you is just giving an opinion not make no difference at all. opinions is what starts most of the arguments on these boards.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Judge Hades]

I voted for Darque. (tee hee)

 

Also I like to know who those nutcases who voted for me are?!??!

 

There is no way in hell I want to be a moderator in this place. I wouldn't want that much responsibility.

[Commissar]

I voted for Darque.  (tee hee)

 

Also I like to know who those nutcases who voted for me are?!??! 

 

There is no way in hell I want to be a moderator in this place.  I wouldn't want that much responsibility. 

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It's a gaming forum, dude.

[Cantousent]

That's true, but you don't know how seriously folks take gaming fora around these parts. When you are set as a moderator, your PM folder is four times the size as a normal member and gets filled twice as fast. Usually, these PMs are folks complaining to you about other members. About half of them, as Gromnir said, see you as "the man." You're the oppressive mod who works for Obsidian Entertainmnet. The other half, again, as Gromnir said, see you as some yutz who spends too much time on the message board. Still, for the most part, folks generally respect moderators.

 

There are two specific points on which I'd like to comment. First of all, I disagree with having a alt account for the purpose of moderating. I respect the fact that some of the mods have one, but I disagree with it.

 

Second of all, Fionavar has done a fine job over three iterations of boards. If he didn't do a fine job, I imagine Admin would have been done with him by now. He essentially runs this message board for Obz. I mean no disrespect to GM, but Fionavar is the man when it comes to taking care of the community. ...And he does so with better judgement and less power than I've seen of chief moderators on other boards. What some folks, including Gromnir, see as caprice, I see as discernment.

[EnderAndrew]

rationalize all you want.  we see a post where you is saying why ender could be a mod and why others folks shouldn't.  if you wanna be mod then don't talk bad 'bout fellow posters... claim that you is just giving an opinion not make no difference at all.  opinions is what starts most of the arguments on these boards.

 

HA! Good Fun!

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I actually said there were 4 people on the list I could see as mods.

 

Gromnir is smarter than that, so don't intentionally misconstrue what I said.

[Gromnir]

did you or did you not give reasons why ender would make a good mod?

 

did you or did you not identify why other folks would be bad mods?

 

we misconstrue nothing in this thread or in your post.

 

as to eldar comments 'bout fin...

 

fin, for the most part, is unobtrusive. this is a skill most mods not seem capable of learning and it would serve them well. the less you seem to mod, the less you will have to mod. also, fin never seems to make stuff personal... which is something that even a few of the obsidian/bis/interplay folks has failed at.

 

unfortunately, fin gots some wacky notions. he will smite a perceived threat, and then refer to board rules/guidelines as justification... while at the same time admitting that he will apply those rules and guidelines ad hoc and different depending on situation and the posters involved. smote and smite away says Gromnir, but use board rules as justification when you admits that the rules is different for each person based on fin's opinion of 'em? yeah, right. if the rules ain't the same for everybody then they ain't really rules at all. if you not at least pretend to try and treat everybody equal, they will see you as treating them unfairly... and they will be right.

 

personally, we believes that fin and the other mods would be better served by uniformity o' purpose and execution. there is few folks on the board at the moment, so it ain't a big deal, but if this board gets as much traffic as the old ip boards did...

 

those were the times when fin ran into problems... and people recognized and complained of manifest unfairness.

 

*shrug*

 

have mentioned this before... have pointed out that we worked as a kiddy prison guard for a while. it were a job that Gromnir were very good at. had respect of our peers and the kids... well, we had the respect of most of the kids... all save the girls in d-unit. female juvenile detainees is notoriously foul and they cry and wanna discuss stuff. ack. what made Gromnir such good staff with the kids were that :

 

1) it was known that nobody ever got over on staff Gromnir

 

2) staff Gromnir were not afraid to "put hands on" when needed

 

and most important,

 

3) staff Gromnir treated everybody the same

 

this board ain't much different than Juvenile Hall, and the mods is like staff dealing with unruly reprobates.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

p.s. Gromnir fun fact #108: the best behaved kids in juvenile hall is the murderers and rapists. these is the folks that will be having extended stays in juvenile hall and so they is more likely to try and get along with staff. is the young kids who is only gonna be in the hall for a week or so that is the worst

[EnderAndrew]

No, I gave reasons why I would be a bad mod. I said I would have to seriously tone down my flame levels.

 

I also gave reasons why others could be mods.

 

Gromnir needs to reread my post.

[kirottu]

if the rules ain't the same for everybody then they ain't really rules at all.  if you not at least pretend to try and treat everybody equal, they will see you as treating them unfairly... and they will be right.

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Can you give an example?

 

I have never seen Fionavar treat someone or some threads unequally. Ofcourse Fionavar isn

[Fionavar]

People are voting anyway. 

 

Evil will always win, because good is dumb.

 

Evil and good are merely constructs to alleviate culpability ... as for 'fin' and the implied inconsistency ... the 'grass is always greener' ..

 

FLoSD.ObE

[Gromnir]

No, I gave reasons why I would be a bad mod.  I said I would have to seriously tone down my flame levels.

 

I also gave reasons why others could be mods.

 

Gromnir needs to reread my post.

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*sigh*

 

the fact that you said those things does not change the fact that you also talked yourself up and others down.

 

"Hades and Volourn are funny, and I like them as people, but they posting personas troll way too much to be mods.

 

"Baley loves spam too much.

 

"No one would take jodo seriously as a mod.

 

"And nurbs has posted and stood behind racist remarks. "

 

you got amnesia or is you just being stoopid?

 

look, you made a mistake... or you didn't. is an opinion... but WHAT you said ain't an opinion.

 

bah... is like arguing with a 5 year old, "Did you take the cookie?" asks Gromnir o' the child with crumbs on his shirt and face.

 

"No." is the child's reply.

 

...

 

"as for 'fin' and the implied inconsistency ... the 'grass is always greener'"

 

what implied? is inconsistency that you has admitted to and Gromnir is surely not implying neither. am coming straight out and saying that fin treats different posters different... which should not bother fin as this is something you has admitted to in the past.

 

as to the grass being greener... no, it ain't always greener. if fin treated all the same... treated folks fairly, then the ad hoc approach would not sudden becomes the greener pastures.

 

nevertheless, we is done with this. for the most part fin is a perfectly adequate mod, and as long as things is as dead as they is now, no doubt fin will continue to fulfill his/her duties well enough. not a rousing endorsement maybe, but fin does keep it impersonal (mostly,) and does try to stay below radar

Edited September 26, 2005 by Gromnir

[EnderAndrew]

Funny how you discount half the post and only focus on the other half of it.

 

I gave reasons why 4 different people could be mods, which I've stated before.

 

Don't tell me that Gromnir is resorting to VoloLogic.

[Gromnir]

you is nuts. the fact that you wrote half 1 does not change fact that you wrote part 2. you is the guy resorting to non-logic.

 

Gromnir claimed that you talked bad 'bout fellow posters modding potential and talked self up.

 

you say we misconstrue and such.

 

Gromnir shows you the crumbs on your shirt and hands.

 

ender still trys to avoid responsibility.

 

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the fact that you say nice things 'bout some of your fellow posters does not mean that you did not do the things we claimed that you did. for chrissakes, if you hadn't shown why you would make a crappy mod before, you sure has now.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Lucius]

Funny how you discount half the post and only focus on the other half of it.

 

I gave reasons why 4 different people could be mods, which I've stated before.

 

Don't tell me that Gromnir is resorting to VoloLogic.

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Vologic :D

[Cantousent]

I don't think any of the folks on the list will be a moderator in these parts. That's just a gut instinct, but it seems a reasonable conclusion. The person with the best chance is probably Darth Launch, and I think she'd run like hell once she realized how time consuming it is.

 

For the record, I think Gromnir has the capacity to be a great moderator. I've just always felt that it would be a step down for him. He certainly couldn't be a moderator while posting in the manner he currently enjoys.

 

I wish Karzak were still a member here. I always rather liked the guy, even when I got into a rather ugly argument with him over at the Bioware boards around about the time I bought NWN. You know, I'm not a huge NWN fan, but Karzak just goes nuts from time to time. At least he did. I don't know what he does now.

 

As far the whole thing with Fionavar goes, I'll drop it if you wish, but if anyone warranted special attention, it's Karzak.

Edited September 27, 2005 by Eldar

[kumquatq3]

I vote eldar!!!

[Cantousent]

I was exchanging PMs with someone recently, and skynet's name came up. He was always a level headed moderator for the IP boards. He's a great choice. He's unobtrusive, polite, helpful, and he lurks more than he talks. If that's not the makings of a great moderator, I don't know what is.

[Calax]

I don't vote for mods. I let them sort out the successor and such.

[EnderAndrew]

you is nuts.  the fact that you wrote half 1 does not change fact that you wrote part 2.  you is the guy resorting to non-logic.

I never disowned any of my statements. You however only pretend that half of my statement exists.

Gromnir claimed that you talked bad 'bout fellow posters modding potential and talked self up.

Yep, that is exactly what you said and it does not fairly represent what I actually posted. You intentionally misconstrued what I said.

 

For the record, I have had two different moderators suggest to me that I should be one. Yet I've never made the attempt to become one, nor tried to parlay favor to become one. Nor have I altered my behavior in hopes of becomming one. I haven't knocked the moderation team, or others to make myself look better, nor have I really argued against various people being appointed moderators.

 

Honestly, I disagree with some of the people who were made moderators, but respectfully I largely keep that to myself.

 

If I really wanted to become a moderator on this board, I'm pretty sure I could have pulled it off. I would have posted much differently on the board over the past year, rubbed the right elbows, and asked.

 

However I didn't.

 

Your post flies against logic because it ignores my actual actions on this board, as well as what I said recently in this thread.

 

I don't appreciate you going out of your way to suggest that I am trashing others in hopes of making myself a mod.

you say we misconstrue and such.

Damned right. Gromnir knows better and Gromnir is normally a well behaved and respectable poster on these forums. I am shocked by your Volourn-esque behavior and I hope to see an apology, but I've never seen a lawyer apologize for anything before so I'm not holding my breath.

 

You could however demonstrate that you are above such stereotypes however and prove me wrong.

Gromnir shows you the crumbs on your shirt and hands.

No, Gromnir takes half my post and interprets it out of context. If you believe that half a post out-of-context is damning evidence then you must be a poor lawyer.

ender still trys to avoid responsibility.

No Ender freely admits to and stand behind the ENTIRETY of my post. Gromnir tries to instigate and create a situation that doesn't exist.

the fact that you say nice things 'bout some of your fellow posters does not mean that you did not do the things we claimed that you did.  for chrissakes, if you hadn't shown why you would make a crappy mod before, you sure has now.

No, you insist that I was making others look bad to try and become a moderator myself. However the fact that I spoke well of others and argued that while none of us were perfect, I could see others becomming moderators actually fully contradicts the picture you are trying to paint.

 

I spoke bluntly and objectively about all 10 nominees and I stand by my statements.

HA! Good Fun!

Attempting to knock my character unfairly is fun?

 

Tsk, tsk.

[Child of Flame]

That and Ender has in the past said he would never be a moderator, similar to yourself Gromnir.

[Cantousent]

I think Ender's got some qualities that would help him as a moderator. ...But he would simply have to scale back his combative nature. This is a good example of going overboard. Thanking Gromnir for his input and then ignoring his comments would have made Gromnir look meanspirited. Now everything is shaping up into a real argument and I'm scratching my head as to what purpose it served to choose this fight. Of course, these days I don't tend to choose any fight, so who am I to talk?

 

One thing I have to say is that I always leave the real decisions to the powers that be. I give advice freely, sure. Advice is free to give. Whether anyone listens to what I say in the first place is another matter. :Eldar's foolish grin icon:

[Gorth]

This thread is fun

 

 

 

[Shadowstrider]

This thread is fun 

 

 

 

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It is, for all the wrong reasons.

[Child of Flame]

If this is wrong I don't wanna be right.

[Gromnir]

"No, you insist that I was making others look bad to try and become a moderator myself. However the fact that I spoke well of others and argued that while none of us were perfect, I could see others becomming moderators actually fully contradicts the picture you are trying to paint."

 

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