Favorite Game Villan

[Lancer]

How can I possibly forget this guy?

 

[vaxen83]

Kreia. She is very good at manipulating every character that she comes in contact with. Even ones who want to see her dead like Sion.

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And also known for masking her moves very well, add to that she has stealth to top it all up.

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Also, symbolically a character with corrupted wisdom used as a form of fatality against everyone, the exact opposite of Jedi Master Vrook.

[Musopticon?]

He was much more of a villain than Irenicus was, IMO. Sarevok was the epitome of evil and while working behind the scenes stopped at nothing to achieve his goal of ascension. He killed Gorion, assassinated his own father, manipulated the Iron Throne, started a war.. Must I go on?

 

 

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Yesh. To me; Irenicus wasn't a villain at all, but an antagonist. There's ahuge difference.

[Petay]

Well, I thought Liquid Snake from Metal Gear Solid was a pretty rocking villain, he even had machinery at his fingertips for mass annihilation. Pretty evil too, which is always good. :)

[Lancer]

Yesh. To me; Irenicus wasn't a villain at all, but an antagonist. There's ahuge difference.

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Irecnius made himself much more noticeable in BG2 than Sarevok did in BG1 which is what I think many people liked about Irenicus. But this more direct interceding of Irenicus is somewhat of a mixed bag. On the one hand, his character was more detailed than Sarevok's but on the other hand, it removed much of the mystique that Sarevok had. Irenicus being so directly involved in SoA was the greatest strength as well as the greatest weakness of his character at the same time. By the time I got to the final showdown against Irenicus all of the suspense, mystique, and respect for him as a villain had long since vanished. I just don't have much respect for a villain that I have already fought twice earlier in the game and defeated handily.. Where is the villainy in that? To face someone I already vanquished twice (yet again!) in a "final showdown" was a big letdown.

 

OTOH, Sarevok was only faced once and working behind the scenes there was much more buildup to the final fight with him. Afterall, he was the one who killed Gorion, manipulated the Iron Throne, started a war, killed his own father, FRAMED your character towards the end so you were already going into the final showdown already hating the guy.

On top of this, since he did work clandestinely there was much uncertainty in regards to his abilities, strengths and so on. We just didn't know what to expect when we finally did fight him which made everything all the more suspenseful.

 

In regards to being a truly good villain-- Irenicus fell far short. He would have made a good comic book villain, just not a very good RPG one.

[Lancer]

 

GG kthx bye.

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I have heard so much praise about this game that I *must* play it. I really liked Deus Ex and this is supposed to be at least as good? I can scarcely wait! I have it downloaded but I won't be able to play System Shock 2 until the Xmas break.

I have cheated though and looked at the intro and played the first few minutes of it.. Damn, this game has atmosphere.

[Gromnir]

1) those o' you who mentions the transcendent one gotta 'members that you is being asked for your favorite villain and not your favorite game's villain. transcendent one were poorly developed, albeit for obvious reasons.

 

2) sarevok were too cookie-cutter clich

[Gromnir]

"In regards to being a truly good villain-- Irenicus fell far short. He would have made a good comic book villain, just not a very good RPG one."

 

lord only knows what you is thinking is the significance o' that observation.

 

and for those that draw some hard line twixt villains and antagonists, we thinks you is cheating selves. many o' the best villains is the ones we sympathize with. cartoonish evil villains such as sauron, characters who is evil for evil's sake, can be effective characters, but they is always kinda flat and 1-dimensional.

 

and since comic books were mentioned, who were the ultimate villain in

[roshan]

This fellow right here:

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The transcendent oine was a goioid end boiss becauise he was yoiuir oiwn moiirtality, which was a great coincept coinisidering what the game was aboiuit. Hoiwever his oinily moiitivatioin was his instinct toi suirvive. Thuis he was noit evil, he was juist foilloiwing his basic animal instincts. Of coiuirse, he did doi soiimie evil things, buit I think that the transcendent oinie woiuild proiibably be moirie oifi a chaoitic neuitral character rather than an evil oinie. So the transcendent oine can hardly be coinisidered a goioid villain.

 

I think that this felloiw was a muich woiirse villain:

 

 

Whoi was the bastard that tricked and enslaved dakkoin?

Which moiither fuicker was respoinsible foir the satte oifi ignuis, vhailoir, and woirst oif all deioinarra?

 

The nameless oinie (specially as the practical incarnatioin) has toii be oiine oifi the moisit evil peoiple in the histoiry oif coiimpuiter gaming.

[roshan]

Yesh. To me; Irenicus wasn't a villain at all, but an antagonist. There's ahuge difference.

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Irecnius made himself much more noticeable in BG2 than Sarevok did in BG1 which is what I think many people liked about Irenicus. But this more direct interceding of Irenicus is somewhat of a mixed bag. On the one hand, his character was more detailed than Sarevok's but on the other hand, it removed much of the mystique that Sarevok had. Irenicus being so directly involved in SoA was the greatest strength as well as the greatest weakness of his character at the same time. By the time I got to the final showdown against Irenicus all of the suspense, mystique, and respect for him as a villain had long since vanished. I just don't have much respect for a villain that I have already fought twice earlier in the game and defeated handily.. Where is the villainy in that? To face someone I already vanquished twice (yet again!) in a "final showdown" was a big letdown.

 

OTOH, Sarevok was only faced once and working behind the scenes there was much more buildup to the final fight with him. Afterall, he was the one who killed Gorion, manipulated the Iron Throne, started a war, killed his own father, FRAMED your character towards the end so you were already going into the final showdown already hating the guy.

On top of this, since he did work clandestinely there was much uncertainty in regards to his abilities, strengths and so on. We just didn't know what to expect when we finally did fight him which made everything all the more suspenseful.

 

In regards to being a truly good villain-- Irenicus fell far short. He would have made a good comic book villain, just not a very good RPG one.

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Yes, I agree that Sarevoik was a muich better villain than Irenicuis. Irenicuis was basically yoiuir typical goiioid guiy goinie bad duie toi luist foiir poiwer, and oini toip oif that, he was toioi whiny and kept being defeated.

 

Sarevoik oini the oitiher hand had a very oimiinoiuis atmoisphere. He was noit pityfuil and pathetic like irenicuis, he was evil. Yoiiui felt his poiwier and influience coiinitinoiuisly as yoiuii proiigressed throiiuigh the game.

[kirottu]

This fellow right here:

<img>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/kirottu/transcendentone.gif</img>

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I think that this felloiw was a muich woiirse villain:

 

 

 

<img>http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/pc/planescape/images/characters/namelessone.jpg</img>

 

Whoi was the bastard that tricked and enslaved dakkoin?

Which moiither fuicker was respoinsible foir the satte oifi ignuis, vhailoir, and woirst oif all deioinarra?

 

The nameless oinie (specially as the practical incarnatioin) has toii be oiine oifi the moisit evil peoiple in the histoiry oif coiimpuiter gaming.

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Yes, but he was more of a historical character that you don

[roshan]

This fellow right here:

<img>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/kirottu/transcendentone.gif</img>

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I think that this felloiw was a muich woiirse villain:

 

 

 

<img>http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/pc/planescape/images/characters/namelessone.jpg</img>

 

Whoi was the bastard that tricked and enslaved dakkoin?

Which moiither fuicker was respoinsible foir the satte oifi ignuis, vhailoir, and woirst oif all deioinarra?

 

The nameless oinie (specially as the practical incarnatioin) has toii be oiine oifi the moisit evil peoiple in the histoiry oif coiimpuiter gaming.

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Yes, but he was more of a historical character that you don

[roshan]

and for those that draw some hard line twixt villains and antagonists, we thinks you is cheating selves. many o' the best villains is the ones we sympathize with. cartoonish evil villains such as sauron, characters who is evil for evil's sake, can be effective characters, but they is always kinda flat and 1-dimensional.

 

There is a clear difference between the meaning oif the twoi woirds.

 

An antagoiinist is anyoinie whoi is oippoisied toii the main character.

A villain is any evil character.

 

Not all thoisie whoi oippoiise the main character are evil, and noit all evil characters oippoisie the main character.

 

Of coiuirse, irenicuis was boiith a villain and an antagoinist, as he oippoisied yoiui and was an evil persoiin.

[roshan]

EDIT: where did the poisit aboive this goi?????

 

I doinit think soi. I merely believe that villainy and antagoinism are twoii different coinicepts and since this thread is aboiuit the best villain we shoiiuld noit get them muiddled uip.

[Musopticon?]

I deleted it because, well...it wasn't entirely approriate. I'm sorry.

[Petay]

I don't know if it is, but that sounded horribly sarcastic there Muso?

Actually made me laugh

[Gromnir]

"The transcendent oine was a goioid villain becauise he was yoiuir oiwn moiirtality, which was a great coincept."

 

yeah, and a concept is all you need for a great character.

 

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no, that ain't right, is it?

 

you know, we did not mention the pong paddle by accident.

 

one more point 'bout comic books and games...

 

anybody here play Freedom Force? was campy and fun and it followed comic book story and character development spot on, no? ask self if freedom force ultimate villain resembled more closely sarevok or irenicus. comic books, like any other storytelling medium, can has a wide-range o' possible and successful villain types.

 

also, please note just how many similarities comic book story telling gots to games. short dialogues. visuals is important. super powered heroes and villains. similar audiences. etc.however, never forget that Teen Titans and 300 is both comic books. is a huge range o

[Walsingham]

IMO you need an antagonist not just a villain. I played BG as a rather evil young woman, not so terribly dissimilar to Jon boy's utterly driven campaign for power and independence. I hated the elves so much I would have joined in killing them if it hadn't prevented me getting my mitts on Irenicus.

 

This was the genius of Irenicus. He was just so all fethed arrogant and selfish that you had to kill him. For God's sake he nicked all my stuff and sold it, probably to buy more pairs of leather pants. AND he was a wizard, and we all know what we do to wizards. Plus he seemed to change his mind about you at several points in teh game, unsure of whether to destroy you or exploit you. More marks of a fantastic bad guy.

 

The mark of a good villain is how much you enjoy seeing them die. Jon gets this vote.

[Calax]

I'm surpised. I expected this to be one of those "It's been done a zillion times before. Now we must spam you out of existance" threads... I'm actually Impressed. I'm also suprised that nobody mentioned him:

 

 

Especially considering he kills your commander right in front of you and continues the briefing as if nothing happened...

[Magnum Opus]

I'd have to say that my favourite villain was the Guardian as well. Yeah, he was essentially a giant red muppet, but he was an active muppet. He was there from the moment I loaded up U7 as the vaguely threatening voice in my head, giving me advice, taunting me, mocking me, snatching me out of the Void and dropping me into Waterworld...

 

Where he really shone was in Ultima IX. The technical execution of that game aside, I like how he was always working against me. He wasn't revealed in a stunning display of melodrama right at the end of the game (although he himself would certainly classify as a drama queen... err, king.. ), nor was he content to let his minions always do the dirty work. He was right there, taking a hand in things (ha ha, small reference to the beginning of Ultima 8 there). I never got the sense that it was his apathy or ego that ended up being his downfall, like you see in so many villains (who normally wait until the Hero is good and powerful before taking note). He was just trying his best to destroy the world, and came up short.

 

And he had a great sense of humour. He was just plain fun. The voice acting was good, too.

[Lord Tingeling]

Calax, I agree, but I still think CABAL is a mite more cool. Easily one of the top-contenders in the "mad AI" department, I'd say. Plus, his voice > SHODAN's voice, easily.

"The systems are impenetrable. There are no weak points. The technology is without flaw. The Human element, as always, is riddled with imperfection."

[Nur Ab Sal]

Belhifet from Icewind Dale

[GhostofAnakin]

Irenicus - BG2 and Kreia - TSL are my two favorites in terms of their overall a)in game abilities and b)fleshed out backstory/interesting backstory

 

But the part of me that's a huge Vader fan also liked Malak "on paper". If they just cut down on his goofy laugh and cheesey regeneration of dead Jedi souls, he'd have been more a clone of Vader.

 

Lacroix from VMBL was an interesting fellow too, but in terms of the "cool" factor I thought the Sherriff was better.

 

Oh and gotta give props to Death's Hand and Sun Li (I think that's the one) from Jade Empire.

[roshan]

Belhifet from Icewind Dale

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I think behlifet was a fairly generic bad guiy, buit it was coioil hoiw it tuirned oiuitt hat he was the narratoiir oif the stoiry.

[Calax]

the ones that mad Gamespots list are:

The Tyrant of Residen Evil fame, More specifically Nemisis

Bowser

Sephiroth

Ganon

Evil Otto from bezerk... (didn't know that existed...)

M. Bison (In the Japanese version he's Vega, Vega is named Balrog, and Balrog is named M. Bison or Mike Bison).

Lavos

HeiHachi

Donkey Kong

Golbez