EnderAndrew Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Buddhism is based on four truths (or one truth see in four steps depending on how you see it). Suffering is caused by desire. Yet, the goal is Buddhism is to change. Isn't the desire to change a desire in and of itself? Hmmm.... "I'm questioning my education Rewinding, what does it show? Could be, the truth, it becomes you I'm a seed wondering why i'm grown." -- Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam, Education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diogo Ribeiro Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Wouldn't wanting to change be somewhat different than desiring to change? I think to desire something is to crave something, whereas to want something is more in tune with fulfilling a requirement, a moderate or even modest wish to find or achieve something. Also, one could argue that all change carries a sense of loss, and in that perspective a suffering of sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WITHTEETH Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Buddhism is based on four truths (or one truth see in four steps depending on how you see it). Suffering is caused by desire. Yet, the goal is Buddhism is to change. Isn't the desire to change a desire in and of itself? I would say the desire to become buddist could lead to suffering. In my perspective it strips away humanity. You can feel emotions but only for a short while then let them go. You can't have a set of beliefs becuase your suppose to think the world is always changing. Doesn't it just feel good sometimes to hold on to love, or even to hate somtimes. all of this just so you wont get reborn? Always outnumbered, never out gunned! Unreal Tournament 2004 Handle:Enlight_2.0 Myspace Website! My rig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted July 9, 2005 Author Share Posted July 9, 2005 My qualm with Buddhism is the belief that I has an individual don't really exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Flatus Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I always thought it was regarding material desires... but i dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted July 9, 2005 Author Share Posted July 9, 2005 It's not just material desires. They believe all suffering comes from desire in general. If you can learn to accept and no longer desire, you will be at peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Before you can become everything. You must first be nothing. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted July 9, 2005 Author Share Posted July 9, 2005 That is why when you meet the Buddha, you must kill the Buddha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Flatus Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Do not concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diogo Ribeiro Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 My qualm with Buddhism is the belief that I has an individual don't really exist. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And what precisely makes me an individual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted July 9, 2005 Author Share Posted July 9, 2005 And what precisely makes me an individual? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Your vintage Chuck Taylor's? I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diogo Ribeiro Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Me or you, for that matter. Or anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WITHTEETH Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I will not join a religion. Always outnumbered, never out gunned! Unreal Tournament 2004 Handle:Enlight_2.0 Myspace Website! My rig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted July 9, 2005 Author Share Posted July 9, 2005 I will start one instead. I say we worship the winner of the MacGuyver/Hoff thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diogo Ribeiro Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 .Nevermind then. I vote MacGuyver and retreat to my hell hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WITHTEETH Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Smart Ender! i would have voted for Magnum PI but you descriminated against him. I'll have to start my own and call it MAGNUMANITY! Follow and you get to bang 78 experienced women for eternity! Always outnumbered, never out gunned! Unreal Tournament 2004 Handle:Enlight_2.0 Myspace Website! My rig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted July 9, 2005 Author Share Posted July 9, 2005 Seriously, Buddhism suggests that we all come from the same source, and are really pieces of the same entity. We incarnate into forms to learn lessons, but there is no reason to desire for one's self since the self does not really exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveThaiBinh Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 The world is like a mirror. When you smile, your friends will smile back. "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Not if you're a follower of Xenu kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I never cease to be amazed that people actually believe in that Scientology bull****. Perhaps they just dont want to admit that theyve paid all that money for the gibberish of some psychologist-hating hippie? "Hello I am Tom Cruise and Im a celebrity Scientologist. That gives me 2 bonus enlightenment levels. " DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I never cease to be amazed that people actually believe in that Scientology bull****. Perhaps they just dont want to admit that theyve paid all that money for the gibberish of some psychologist-hating hippie?... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, Mr Hubbard was quite a clever, if severely deranged, cult-starter. First off, the conditions inside a Scientological sanctum are very amenable to those of celebrity status: it is not permitted for anyone to mob another, and there are (apparently) some pretty nice amenities to use, in all the cities that it infests. Secondly, despite a revulsion bordering on psychopathy, Mr Hubbard uses the self-same psychological techniques, except to inculcate individuals into the religion. The technique is to arm the "workers" with a broad spectrum psychological questionnaire, that can quickly give the interviewer enough of an idea of what "buttons" to press to inveigle the interviewed into the cult. (Obviously, anyone versed in psychology is going to recognise / have a higher immunity to the questions, so it makes sense that Scientology, and all L. Ron Hubbard's books, try to undermine it.) Interestingly, it is a true gnostic religion, meaning that the higher mysteries are revealed only to a few of the higher ranked people. (Mr Hubbard may have been the first to "commoditize" the process, though.) So much so, that recently the church was awarded a civil court case against a former member who revealed some of the higher mysteries on the internet, for a breach of copyright! Thirdly, by the time you are told that the Earth's population is just a waste tip for the scum and villianny of the universe, you've already done a significant fortune; I guess they just carry on: "... in for a penny, in for a pound." OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diogo Ribeiro Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I'm ignorant of the teachings of Buddhism, but escaping the 'same entity' idea for a minute, what makes us individuals? Supposedly individuality maintains the ideas of individual freedom, and the importance of the self. But can we truly be individuals under those aspects? It always seems to be true individualism is a rare (if not impossible) thing to achieve when in the context of man as a social animal, 'condemend' to accept or at least live with social conventions and rules. In fact, importance of the self seems to suggest that it is the opposing end of the concept of society, or collectivism... Is true individualism only achieved by purging society and more importantly society's control over the self? Help a poor retard understand life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantousent Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 There is no spoon. ...But is there freedom? Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I'm ignorant of the teachings of Buddhism, but escaping the 'same entity' idea for a minute, what makes us individuals? Supposedly individuality maintains the ideas of individual freedom, and the importance of the self. But can we truly be individuals under those aspects? It always seems to be true individualism is a rare (if not impossible) thing to achieve when in the context of man as a social animal, 'condemend' to accept or at least live with social conventions and rules. In fact, importance of the self seems to suggest that it is the opposing end of the concept of society, or collectivism... Is true individualism only achieved by purging society and more importantly society's control over the self? Help a poor retard understand life! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am happy with my knowledge that I am the only reality, and the rest of you are merely noise in my universe. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julianw Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 True individualism is only achieved when you are one with the Schwarz. Sorry, I think you should go with meta's understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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