Whitemithrandir Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I never said it was pretentious, White. I often exaggerate and oversimplify. It's what makes me so irresistable to the ladies. That, and I despise quoting large blocks of text only to respond with 2 lines. This is Star Wars! Yet it does not reek of the cheese!... This is part of the reason why I simply could not stomach the first KOTOR. Everything was so black and white. All the characters were stereotypical casts made from some factory that bored me to tears. The only character I found myself being attached to was Revan. But hey, he's the protagonist. Frankly, I don't think the game found it's center. It looked inside and was empty. No. I think the game plot had a nice progression. It had everything a good, typical adventure story should have. WARNING: Vague SPOILERS BELOW!!! 1. The call to adventure (Escape from the Harbinger on the limping Ebon Hawk) 2. The guide (Kreia) 3. The descent into darkness (Telos, and the realization of being chased by sith lords across a war-torn galaxy) 4. The monster (Kreia) 5. The inner conflict (Your past) 6. The outer conflict (The Sith Lords, bounty on your head) 7. The resolution of the inner conflict (Korriban) 8. The resolution of the outer conflict (Ravager/Malachor V/Nar Shaada) 8. The redemption/climax (Dantooine) 9. The final battle (Showdown at the Academy) 10. The reward (Revelation of your destiny/answers) Was the game rushed? Yes. Was the plot not as well developed as it could be? Yes. Was it incomplete? No. It had all the parts needed to form a concrete epic/adventure story, and no matter how much people say the ending sucked, I found it very, very, very emotional and satisfying. Word economics To express my vast wisdom I speak in haiku's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingofThieves Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I liked the ending quite a bit myself. I have never had a problem with a good open ending and I found this one to be suitable. That said: I would have liked that the exile had some closure with the crew about their journey together though. I think their should have been time alloted for this before the ebonhawk collapsed on Malachor. I felt cheated about this actually. And although I LIKED the ending, in no way did I find it emotionally satisfying. And I also agree with everything you said about KotOR II having all the proper elements of a good story. It did. What it lacked, to me, was the EMOTION of one. Where did Obsidian stash my hope anyway? I'm going to need that back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitemithrandir Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 What it lacked, to me, was the EMOTION of one. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh I broke a tear when Kreia told me how proud she was of me... sniff... Maybe it's just because I'm just a big sissy, a big hairy huggable sissy. Word economics To express my vast wisdom I speak in haiku's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisu Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I think Kreia was an extremely well-written character - she was the driving force behind this game, and the main reason why I enjoyed it so much. Her complete neutrality made her interesting. I've never seen a character quite like it before. In KOTOR1, the things you did were either clearly dark or cleary light side. "Look. It's an old woman. She needs money. Will you give her some?" " - Give the woman 10000000000 credits. Because you can afford that." " - Do nothing." " - Kill the woman and take her money. Ahaahaha. You're so evil." Especially on Nar Shaadaa, Kreia tries to show you that the things you do have more consequences then you realize. The beggar, for example. While giving him money nets you light side points, you make him weaker - unable to deal with his own problems. Vice versa: Telling him to shove it results in a final burst of anger, lashing out at those whom finally offer their hand. And at the end, when you find out that she was "using you" the whole time. It wasn't really a big suprise, though it wasn't entirely expected. She strung everyone along like puppets. Beautiful, really. Kreia made KOTOR2 seem much more... real than the original did. She made you realize that the black/white scenerios we were used to in K1 went deeper than we know. (Sorry for the ramblings, by the way. I just joined, so.. yeah. Might as well ramble on about something I like than complain about something I don't, right?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguars4ever Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 other people like reading the Hardy Boys. We all have different tastes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 "From an abstract standpoint, the dialogue in KOTOR II was much more mature and emotional with a greater sense of purpose than the first. From a techincal standpoint, the dialogue in KOTOR II used techniques such as parallelism and juxtaposition much more effectively. Sentence structure is much more varied in the second and feels more machievelian. Everything has much more impact in terms of tone and feel. Even if you overlook these technicalities you will STILL have trouble comparing the two. KOTOR writing is much more vernacular and KOTOR II writing is much more theatrical." Absolutely false. What you say rings hollow. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitemithrandir Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Absolutely false. What you say rings hollow. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What are you trying to argue, Volo? That dialogue in KOTOR 1 was more theatrical than dialogue in KOTOR II? Word economics To express my vast wisdom I speak in haiku's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairchucker Posted February 26, 2005 Author Share Posted February 26, 2005 OK, so I just won. And Kreia is a kind of interesting character. I'm still killing her on my next run through, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delenda est Carthago Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Kreia seriousely got on my nerves. If you were loight side it was so hard to get inf+ with her, cos the only thing she seems to respect are nasty and "dark sidey..." Then, on my dark side game, i thought that i would do things that would make kreia happy, as she seems to respect dark side decisionsetc, and then she just asks me if Psychotic urges are all that drive me, in a really condescending manner, go i hate her. But be patient, those who say they wish to kill her...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhan225 Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Influence with Kreia is easy. The tricky part is getting the DS/LS points to cancell out. Answer questions as best as you can to agree with her statements, while remaining in the neutral zone. If it comes to getting a few DS points, don't worry. Get her influence and regain LS points with sidequests. Avoid using her as much as possible outside necssary missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Can't Think Of A Name Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Agreed. While the game kinda made sense to me [i always play LS], there were a lot of questions that I wanted answered that never got answered simply because I play LS - the question about her opinion of Revan was the big one that I remember off hand. Apparently you get all the answers if you play DS, because that's the only way to get substantial influence with her. Which really stinks, because KOTOR wasn't like that. Lord Revan was most displeased with your lack of combat skill. -Something I wish they'd put in KOTOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14884_1556103668 Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Agreed. While the game kinda made sense to me [i always play LS], there were a lot of questions that I wanted answered that never got answered simply because I play LS - the question about her opinion of Revan was the big one that I remember off hand. Apparently you get all the answers if you play DS, because that's the only way to get substantial influence with her. Which really stinks, because KOTOR wasn't like that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, I am on my third LS female play through, and am still not getting enough answers from her (concerning Revan etc). So I guess that I will have to play as DS, just to find out more Plus, I do want to find out more, and gain influence with HK and Mandalore...without it affecting my LS points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielle Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Necroposting............ Plus, I do want to find out more, and gain influence with HK and Mandalore...without it affecting my LS pointsThat will be hard to do with HK since he likes evil answers and actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Moth Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 (edited) And I would like to say that I (and a whole of of others) KOTOR's storyline and writing was superior to K2's in almost every way! K2's storyline hides behind a mask of "maturity" and "depth", while in reality it is mostly a bunch of idiotic, philosophical nonsense mostly spouted from a character who has no concept of right and wrong herself *cough*KREIA*cough*. It was more of an attempt to be deeper and mature than anything else. And if anything, K2's storlyine was the champ as far as making it seem like your actions didn't make much of a difference. In K1, the outcomes for LS and DS were radically different, whereas the outcomes in K2 were mostly the same, with the main difference being whether or not a planet explodes Not to mention the game wasn't even finished. Edited November 16, 2005 by Mothman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14884_1556103668 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Necroposting............ Plus, I do want to find out more, and gain influence with HK and Mandalore...without it affecting my LS pointsThat will be hard to do with HK since he likes evil answers and actions. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Will play DS next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Guardian Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 my first time through as a light side jedi, i couldnt wait to play through as a dark side character just so i could cut that nagging, ugly old troll of a woman in half. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Same here. But I wish that there was a power that could let you put her back together so I could do it as many times as I wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikon Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I gained 100% influence with Kreia while still staying 100% LS. Well, there are occasional DS points, but they are easily countered by talking to characters that give you LS points, like Disciple, Visas or T3-M4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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