Child of Flame Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 Nihilism makes me smile. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tee-Hee...you ever start reading Sam and Fuzzy Wiggster?
Child of Flame Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 Actually, no. And I need a new webcomic. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sam and Fuzzy
Errantry Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 A game in itself cannot 'condition' you. There are many people to whom common sense is more important than emotion. You do not kill someone through instinct gained through a video game; people may gain violent or indifferent tendencies, but the majority of murders are planned out beforehand. Unless you're talking about bar fights, but that's another story. Another self-righteous post alright. Making such an absolute claim requires that either you are an authority in the matter, or that you provide some proof. You meet none of the requirements, so your point is moot. But that's not the only fact you got wrong in your post. Do some research, and you will see that most crimes are committed without previous planification. Usually people go berserk for some reason and someone dies. People lose control and their emotions override their rational safeguards and moral concerns. Planned, cold blood murders are in fact a minority, if only because most sane people can't do that unless they have killed before. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In reference to your first comment about being self-righteous . . . well, yes, I am. I believe that it is quite common in this world, and fairly accepted. And if you would read into my post a bit more, you would see my last comment: "Unless you're talking about bar fights, but that's another story." It was deliberate. I was discluding reactionary murders and those brought about by intoxication or drug usage of some sort. And could -you- please tell me where you got your information? It was difficult at best to look up statistics on premeditated murder vs. non, as I had no results. Thanks - -Marty
SwitchBlade Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 So the real question is what effect does violence in the media and video games have on the human psyche? None? Affirmative? (Meaning we tend to follow what we see) Negative? (Meaning we shy away from the real actions because of what we see) Interestingly enough public executions worked well in diminishing the amount of violent crimes committed. Violence in media....Depends on how it is betrayed but so far has been shown to have a more affirmative reaction on society.
Diogo Ribeiro Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 I think any depiction of violence has an influence in human psyche, in the same way everything - one way or another - has effects on the human psyche. However, I just feel its rather hypocritical of some to condemn and actively oppose violence in videogames, or rather it's depiction, while not going after other targets. If the concern for violence and how it affects people, specially children, is honest, then at least apply the standars to all instances of it, not just videogames.
Rosbjerg Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 If the concern for violence and how it affects people, specially children, is honest, then at least apply the standars to all instances of it, not just videogames. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> exactly! but we need a change in attitude to violence first .. because otherwise we will make a martyr out of it! (ok maybe not the best referance, but well you know what I mean!) Fortune favors the bald.
213374U Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 And if you would read into my post a bit more, you would see my last comment: "Unless you're talking about bar fights, but that's another story." It was deliberate. I was discluding reactionary murders and those brought about by intoxication or drug usage of some sort. Great point you have there, indeed. Well, yes. If from the murder total you substract those that didn't involve previous planning, the rest are mostly, planned crimes. Uncanny logic you got there, buddy. And could -you- please tell me where you got your information? It was difficult at best to look up statistics on premeditated murder vs. non, as I had no results. Thanks - Read the newspapers, watch the news. All the stats you should need are there. It's not everyday a DC sniper pops up, fortunately. Interestingly enough public executions worked well in diminishing the amount of violent crimes committed. Interestingly enough, those were different times and for starters, you couldn't buy an assault rifle at the grocery. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Darque Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 I don't think video games make people violent. I think message boards dedicated to video games make people violent I know I've felt the urge to bounce rolls of quarters off Volourn's head at times
Errantry Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 And if you would read into my post a bit more, you would see my last comment: "Unless you're talking about bar fights, but that's another story." It was deliberate. I was discluding reactionary murders and those brought about by intoxication or drug usage of some sort. Great point you have there, indeed. Well, yes. If from the murder total you substract those that didn't involve previous planning, the rest are mostly, planned crimes. Uncanny logic you got there, buddy. And could -you- please tell me where you got your information? It was difficult at best to look up statistics on premeditated murder vs. non, as I had no results. Thanks - Read the newspapers, watch the news. All the stats you should need are there. It's not everyday a DC sniper pops up, fortunately. Interestingly enough public executions worked well in diminishing the amount of violent crimes committed. Interestingly enough, those were different times and for starters, you couldn't buy an assault rifle at the grocery. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, I didn't count out absolutely, off-the-wall spontaneous murders, now did I? " Then again, I felt it was a pretty safe bet. Most people don't just say,"Gosh, that guy's annoying me. Hey, I should kill him!" At least, I don't think ordinary people do that . . . On a different note, I'll bet the public executions had an effect on the public. Would-be murderers were at home puking their guts out. The electric chair was not a pretty sight.
Baneblade Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 I know I've felt the urge to bounce rolls of quarters off Volourn's head at times <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nah, that would only Excite him... I think he's Into that sort of things... It sure would Explain a lot. "If at first you don't succeed... So much for skydiving." - Henry Youngman.
Volourn Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 "I know I've felt the urge to bounce rolls of quarters off Volourn's head at times" You REALLY do me! :"> DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Llyranor Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 She really does you??? (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it)
Diogo Ribeiro Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 Napalm will solve most of life's problems. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That or a well greased Tommy Gun.
Juha Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 Personally, I don't take much joy in lying down in the grass or staring at the trees. Did you try it? Just do it. You will like it soon enough. If not take someone along...
EnderAndrew Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 I take great joy in going to the park and feeding animals. I take great joy in relaxing with my loved one. I take great joy at staring into the ocean. I take great joy in killing senselessly in GTA:SA.
Errantry Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 ^ Very healthy. Very stress relieving. Esp. the last one - and the first, to be fair.
213374U Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 Personally, I don't take much joy in lying down in the grass or staring at the trees. Did you try it? Just do it. You will like it soon enough. If not take someone along... Well, considering I'm mildly allergic to grass... you can guess lying down on it it's not my cup of tea. And bringing someone along for her to enjoy my sneezefest isn't quite my idea of fun. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Errantry Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 I don't know . . . she would probably laugh her head off, thus endearing you to her through sheer amusement.
Ludozee Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 I don't think video games make people violent. I think message boards dedicated to video games make people violent I know I've felt the urge to bounce rolls of quarters off Volourn's head at times <{POST_SNAPBACK}> OMG. I'm gone for one day and this whole thread is a mess! Ah well, might as well laugh about it:
Cantousent Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 Aww, it was a mess from the very begining. Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends!
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