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Gee, the weekend programmer thread blew me for a loop when Akari mentioned that this was indeed viable. If there are specific feats to shape a character this way, I am pretty sure quite a few will build characters for this.

 

Sort of like a Shaolin monk type Jedi LOL. But I wonder if there are any equipment that can help (like the Power Fist sin Fallout). This should make Kotor 2 experience quite a bit different.

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Does this mean we can block a lightsabre UNARMED.  (w00t)

 

This would pose a problem in the SW universe. Unarmed combat could not do too well against energy weapons, such as lightsabers and blasters. An unarmed character would have to have a ridiculously high DEX so they would be able to dodge almost all incoming energy attacks. True, characters with only blasters aren't that good against incoming bolts or lightsabers either, but these were low-level characters in KotOR 1, who became Jedi, and were thus able to counter energy attacks.

 

There would also have to be an advantage to having unarmed attacks. If you're a Jedi, you would use a lightsaber. If not, there needs to be an advantage to being unarmed over using, say, a viroblade. Neither unarmed nor viroblade-using characters would be able to deflect blaster bolts (though viroblades can block lightsabers in KotOR 1!) so I would always use a viroblade, just because it seems more condusive to higher damage.

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Does this mean we can block a lightsabre UNARMED.  (w00t)

 

This would pose a problem in the SW universe. Unarmed combat could not do too well against energy weapons, such as lightsabers and blasters. An unarmed character would have to have a ridiculously high DEX so they would be able to dodge almost all incoming energy attacks. True, characters with only blasters aren't that good against incoming bolts or lightsabers either, but these were low-level characters in KotOR 1, who became Jedi, and were thus able to counter energy attacks.

 

There would also have to be an advantage to having unarmed attacks. If you're a Jedi, you would use a lightsaber. If not, there needs to be an advantage to being unarmed over using, say, a viroblade. Neither unarmed nor viroblade-using characters would be able to deflect blaster bolts (though viroblades can block lightsabers in KotOR 1!) so I would always use a viroblade, just because it seems more condusive to higher damage.

 

Then again, from a roleplaying perspective, someone with sufficent martial arts training should be able to dodge instead of block...I'd guess it would functionas more of a D&D monk...

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Then again, from a roleplaying perspective, someone with sufficent martial arts training should be able to dodge instead of block...I'd guess it would functionas more of a D&D monk...

 

That's what I was thinking. I'd guess that, atleast with respects to blasters, an unarmed "specialist" would be able to dodge the blasts until he/she is close enough in to do damage in combat.

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There is still the issue of what the advantage of unarmed combat would be. In D&D there's a reason for playing a monk since monks receive major advantages to compensate for the little damage it can deal compared to other classes, but in SW?

 

Oh, and I do believe that in some D20 sourcebook there was this martial arts mastery feat or SQ that actually allowed to parry lightsaber blows with bare hands... I can't remember what was it called. Ter

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There is still the issue of what the advantage of unarmed combat would be. In D&D there's a reason for playing a monk since monks receive major advantages to compensate for the little damage it can deal compared to other classes, but in SW?

 

At Level 20 -> 2d10 +Str bonus. You call this "little damage" :blink:

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There is still the issue of what the advantage of unarmed combat would be. In D&D there's a reason for playing a monk since monks receive major advantages to compensate for the little damage it can deal compared to other classes, but in SW?

 

At Level 20 -> 2d10 +Str bonus. You call this "little damage" :blink:

Yes, I know. I think a monk's fists become vorpal weapons in epic levels too. But, compared to, say a 20th level fighter with equipment according to his level, monks deal less damage. Not to mention you have to actually stay alive long enough to reach 20th level. :blink:

 

But that still wouldn't explain why anyone would want to go unarmed in KotOR, since jedi receive the most advantages of any class when it comes to melee combat, plus, lightsaber proficiency.

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This idea makes me gitty!... I love the idea of making a monk in games... it's prolly my favourite style of combat... I am mostly doing this build my second or third time through... Guardian/Marauder.... you get strong physical skills... good amount of force points.. and you can use force fury to go all out with your fists ^^

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im looking forward to this. im gonna make one party member a unarmed fighter each time through eventually my pc will be unarmed

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I think I also read though, that for it to have good damage, you'd have to really focus on it... and thus I think only a PC/NPC with force fury or force defense powers and strong combat would be able to handle the monk gameplay. I do not know if the Zabrak has strong force capabilites.

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Bao-Dur is not a jedi i believe so if u r correct Hutt then that would mean he wouldnt be the best candidate for an unarmed combatant. if thats true than i will go with kreia my first time through as a monk type(i know it sounds crazy) but i think she looks like the monk type.

 

in weekend programmer #5 akari said that Bao-Dur has a new starting class for non-jedis maybe its monk.

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Well this isn't DnD monks.  I am curious what feats are available and as stated if there are any equipment that supplements an unarmed style like special gloves that enhance damage or increases number of attacks.

 

There is quite good MA feats in SW D20. The Teras Kasi Masters could get 4d4 damage unarmed together with a lot of neat MA/dodge feats. Though you need to be a soldier to be able to reach the MA prestige class at a lvl before lvl 12. :-

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There is quite good MA feats in SW D20. The Teras Kasi Masters could get 4d4 damage unarmed together with a lot of neat MA/dodge feats. Though you need to be a soldier to be able to reach the MA prestige class at a lvl before lvl 12. :p

Care to tell me what sourcebook did you get that from? I'd really like to review a few things about unarmed combat, but I don't have the time to read ALL of them again. ;)

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