Neowulf Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 Allow me first to say that I loved KOTOR. I am not a Star Wars super fan but I enjoyed the movies and most of the games I have played up till KOTOR had revolved around everything but the Jedi. The only things I could add to the game are 1- the ability to use a gamepad for the PC, it is a console type game and the keyboard can get irritating 2- More combat freedom more like Jefi Academy's idea of that you have button combos to do certain moves instead of always pausing to chose what you want All the other ideas to make a great game better I have seen you already added. I am not sure if that was added to just thought I'd mention it as a prospective consumer.
OLD SKOOL WHEELMAN Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 Allow me first to say that I loved KOTOR. I am not a Star Wars super fan but I enjoyed the movies and most of the games I have played up till KOTOR had revolved around everything but the Jedi. ^agrees 1- the ability to use a gamepad for the PC, it is a console type game and the keyboard can get irritating Xbox version here... 2- More combat freedom more like Jefi Academy's idea of that you have button combos to do certain moves instead of always pausing to chose what you want So, your trying to make a good game worse? Leave the combos to Soul Caliber... Meh. My 200,000 cents...
Child of Flame Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 Allow me first to say that I loved KOTOR. I am not a Star Wars super fan but I enjoyed the movies and most of the games I have played up till KOTOR had revolved around everything but the Jedi.The only things I could add to the game are 1- the ability to use a gamepad for the PC, it is a console type game and the keyboard can get irritating 2- More combat freedom more like Jefi Academy's idea of that you have button combos to do certain moves instead of always pausing to chose what you want All the other ideas to make a great game better I have seen you already added. I am not sure if that was added to just thought I'd mention it as a prospective consumer. Wait, so you want to make it more like Deus Ex 2 a dismal failure; and less like KotOR, an absolute success? NEXT!
Opus131 Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 1- the ability to use a gamepad for the PC, it is a console type game and the keyboard can get irritating The game controlls can be customized to work on a PC setup, which i find much, MUCH better then a controller will ever be (i can't even imagining playing this game without a mouse cursor). Either that, or get an Xbox (if you can bear the loading times...) 2- More combat freedom more like Jefi Academy's idea of that you have button combos to do certain moves instead of always pausing to chose what you want This is an RPG, not Mortal Combat. Opus131
alanschu Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 This is an RPG, not Mortal Combat Ahem...that's Mortal Kombat j/k
Quasar Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 1- the ability to use a gamepad for the PC, it is a console type game and the keyboard can get irritating So use the mouse, like I do... Holding down both buttons and moving makes you run around. Damn, I hope they don't remove mouse movement control!
anari_quun Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 I've never played the PC version: If I had an average gaming PC, would the load times be faster than on Xbox? If so, that's a very good reason to upgrade my PC...
Child of Flame Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 I've never played the PC version: If I had an average gaming PC, would the load times be faster than on Xbox? If so, that's a very good reason to upgrade my PC... Yes, they are much faster, but they still have every single loading place that the Billy Gates Box had due to the simultaneous development. Stupid Billy Gates Box, if I have a freaking gig of ram I shouldn't have to load ever few steps. <_<
nightcleaver Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 I dunno. I have a 5200 Ultra, 128 megs, plus 700 something megs of PC-2100 Ram. Is that mid range, or low range? Well, it plays like crap, but the load times are zooming.
Child of Flame Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 I dunno. I have a 5200 Ultra, 128 megs, plus 700 something megs of PC-2100 Ram. Is that mid range, or low range? Well, it plays like crap, but the load times are zooming. That would be Mid-Range IMO. Every good gaming PC needs at least a gig of ram to keep it happy.
Quasar Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 I have to say, I have a friend at school who says that xbox far outstrips PC in terms of everything. I can do nothing but laugh at him. PC has better graphics (come on, geforce 3?!) speed... everything. Consoles are irrelevant! [/rant]
nightcleaver Posted June 20, 2004 Posted June 20, 2004 That GeForce 3 is better than my 5200. It's memory is definitely a weakness, though.
Akari Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Damn, I hope they don't remove mouse movement control! We're not. -Akari
ShinIchiro Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 I say weakest point in KOTOR is easiness of enemies after Dantooine.
Maria Caliban Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Let me see... I have a Pentium 4 with 1.50 GHz 256MB of RAM ATI Radeon 9000 series What's that? "When is this out. I can't wait to play it so I can talk at length about how bad it is." - Gorgon.
GhostofAnakin Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Let me see...I have a Pentium 4 with 1.50 GHz 256MB of RAM ATI Radeon 9000 series What's that? Out of date? "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation)
EnderAndrew Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 A halfway decent system. If your motherboard supports the faster FSB speed of the later Pentium 4's, I'd jump up to a 2.4 or a 2.6 They're pretty cheap, and the increase in speed is substantial because of the FSB. After that, I'd upgrade to 512 megs of memory. The speed of the memory is also a big factor. Once again, this depends on your motherboard. In fact, the memory might be the first thing I'd upgrade. And the Radeon 9600 series is also getting pretty cheap and features a big jump in performance because of the Direct X 9 support. The upgrades are fairly cheap if you do it yourself and order parts from www.newegg.com
Maria Caliban Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 ~shrugs~ I'll do what I always do. Keep my computer the way it is until I hit a game I can't play and then I'll upgrade per the recommendations. It odd though, I had smooth performance and fast loading times even though my system isn't as good as that other fellows. "When is this out. I can't wait to play it so I can talk at length about how bad it is." - Gorgon.
EnderAndrew Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Whatever floats your boat. I'm only running a 2.1 ghz system at home these days because I had a computer outright fried on me. I should lose uber-geek points there.
JohnDoe Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 This is an RPG, not Mortal Combat Ahem...that's Mortal Kombat j/k Krap! You're korrect. But then again, who kares?
Judge Hades Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 The weaknesses of KotOR are: Lack of full character creation in comparison to the Star Wars d20 PnP. Poor implementation of the PnP rules. The linear nature of the story. The lack of the ability to just explore a planet or region of space. The complete and total non-challenge of a game.
ShinIchiro Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 The game can be challenging...sometimes. The pnp rules are adapted ok for a videogame. The lack of skills and feats at character creation kind of is a point, but I think KOTOR's plot is very good and character creation is good regardless (how would they incorporate that many skills into the game without delaying it 6 years).
GhostofAnakin Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 The weaknesses of KotOR are: Lack of full character creation in comparison to the Star Wars d20 PnP. Poor implementation of the PnP rules. The linear nature of the story. The lack of the ability to just explore a planet or region of space. The complete and total non-challenge of a game. I'm just curious (and for the first time, not just flaming you), but what game actually fits the description of what you posted? I'm not too familiar with a lot of RPGs, so I have no clue what games actually include EVERYTHING you just posted. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation)
EnderAndrew Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 The weaknesses of KotOR are: Lack of full character creation in comparison to the Star Wars d20 PnP. Poor implementation of the PnP rules. The linear nature of the story. The lack of the ability to just explore a planet or region of space. The complete and total non-challenge of a game. Let's compare your list to Planescape Torment. Torment's character creation was more constricting than KOTOR's. Torment wouldn't let you pick gender or portrait. Torment was equally a poor implementation of rules, and relied upon the IE engine. Torment was equally linear. Torment had fewer areas to explore. And one could argue that Torment didn't present much of a challenge at combat either. Yet, Torment is one of the greatest games on the PC ever.
Judge Hades Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 I'm just curious (and for the first time, not just flaming you), but what game actually fits the description of what you posted? I'm not too familiar with a lot of RPGs, so I have no clue what games actually include EVERYTHING you just posted. Every game has its strengths and weaknesses and just to be fair I will list the strengths of KotOR before answering your question. KotOR Strengths: Very involving and well written story. Graphics and music that really draws you in. Memorable characters such as HK-47 and Mission. It is hands down the best Star Wars game I have ever played. Now to address your question one of my favorite games of all time is Fallout 1. It allows the player to create any type of character, from a melee monkey martial artist (though Fallout 2 is better in that regard). to a heavy weapons expert or even a diplomatic pacifist. The story options allow the multiple ways to beat the game, through guile, diplomacy, or by combat. If you haven't played it I suggest you do. Fallout 2 isn't as good but also worth a play. Baldur's Gate 1 and Baldur's Gate 2 are two games that is acceptable in its PnP translation and allows the player to make a character as he or she wants to play within the context of its rules system. Just avoid ToB. Also if you do get both get the BGTuTu mod. BGTuTu allows you to play BG1 using the BG2 rules. Also it has plenty of challenge to the game.
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