7 hours ago7 hr usa politician already support ground invasion of iranusa would sink their own ship if that is all it take to get population on board with the invasion too
7 hours ago7 hr Author 10 minutes ago, uuuhhii said:usa politician already support ground invasion of iranusa would sink their own ship if that is all it take to get population on board with the invasion tooYes, some GOP politicians do think a ground invasion makes sense. But thats normal in the US, politicians have different opinions Thats not going to happen because that would mean the US becomes involved in a protracted war and Trump wants to avoid that, this latest military campaign is already deeply unpopular and he wants a "quick win " using airstrikes And I definitely dont believe the US would sink one of its own carriers to try to justify conventional warBut if Iran does that it would be a different story "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
6 hours ago6 hr 32 minutes ago, BruceVC said:And I definitely dont believe the US would sink one of its own carriers to try to justify conventional warIndeed. It's not like this ever happened before. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die."
6 hours ago6 hr I don't think they were planning to do ground invasion, as they didn't move any ground troops on the area during the months they we moving forces there.They maybe forced to do ground invasion in order to keep strait of Hormuz open, but I think they really believed that if they kill the leadership Iran will just surrender same way as Venezuela did.
5 hours ago5 hr Author 27 minutes ago, Elerond said:I don't think they were planning to do ground invasion, as they didn't move any ground troops on the area during the months they we moving forces there.They maybe forced to do ground invasion in order to keep strait of Hormuz open, but I think they really believed that if they kill the leadership Iran will just surrender same way as Venezuela did.You could be right but it wouldn't be a very good assessment of Iran and Israel is typically aware of how these things unfold Irans anti-US sentiment is decades long, the hardliners have created an entire culture and ideology that is deeply influenced by resistance to " US imperialism", And they dislike Israel even more By killing the Iranian leadership it doesnt seem likely they would now end up like Venezuela by immediately starting to reverse Maduros failed policies The ME and its various fundamentalist and extremist groups don't generally operate or think like that. How many times has Israel killed Hamas or Hezbollah top leaders and they still have the same views?So if the US and Israel did believe that it doesn't support the reality and history "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
5 hours ago5 hr 31 minutes ago, BruceVC said:You could be right but it wouldn't be a very good assessment of Iran and Israel is typically aware of how these things unfoldIrans anti-US sentiment is decades long, the hardliners have created an entire culture and ideology that is deeply influenced by resistance to " US imperialism", And they dislike Israel even moreBy killing the Iranian leadership it doesnt seem likely they would now end up like Venezuela by immediately starting to reverse Maduros failed policiesThe ME and its various fundamentalist and extremist groups don't generally operate or think like that. How many times has Israel killed Hamas or Hezbollah top leaders and they still have the same views?So if the US and Israel did believe that it doesn't support the reality and historyIsrael has long history of assassinating leadership of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran, even though it has not worked for them in past they still continue to do it. So their assessment isn't that good.
4 hours ago4 hr Author 14 minutes ago, Elerond said:Israel has long history of assassinating leadership of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran, even though it has not worked for them in past they still continue to do it. So their assessment isn't that good.Yes, thats my point Israel knows that killing leaders of these groups wont change the ideological views of these groups Thats not why they do itSo I doubt they would now think killing the Iranian leadership is going to suddenly change things in Iran like in Venezuela "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
4 hours ago4 hr 3 minutes ago, BruceVC said:Yes, thats my pointIsrael knows that killing leaders of these groups wont change the ideological views of these groupsThats not why they do itSo I doubt they would now think killing the Iranian leadership is going to suddenly change things in Iran like in VenezuelaI just think that Israel is likes to assassinate people so they are willing to lie in order to get support for their action and that let US (Trump, Hegseth and co ) to have attitude that things will go like they went in Venezuela when they decided to participate. As even though they didn't actually change leadership Venezuela, still Venezuela didn't have willingness to fight, which probably led said people to underestimate how conflict with Iran will go. I think they now have realized that what their adviser has said maybe true, but there is little they can do than see conflict to its end
3 hours ago3 hr Blumenthal: "It looks more and more likely there will be boots on the ground and we have no idea what the goals of this war are." This is going to be such a cluster****. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die."
2 hours ago2 hr uk was not informed about the usa strike against iranyet still eagerly assist usa lateras pathetic as expectedlikely everyone follow usa into iraq will eventually follow into invasion of iran too
2 hours ago2 hr Let's gooo. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die."
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