The All Things Political Topic - SNAFU edition

[BruceVC]

3 minutes ago, Gorgon said:

It's not a bad outcome. Now we just need Trump to do the same to Netanjahu.

I have been following the normal rhetoric and sensationalism from anti-American opinions 

They now saying Greenland and Canada is next, " nothing will now stop the US doing the same thing in those countries " 

Imagine suggesting that Trump is going to regime change Canada because its the " same" as Venezuela 

[Gorgon]

That won't fly with congress, or popular opinion. But Trump is kinda pretending that there is legality to regime change, by bringing along the DEA, when it's really just an exercise of power. Most experts don't buy the notion that Maduro is part of a cartel. He is corrupt and he did seize power illegally, though. 

Reminds me of the invasion of Panama. Although it's not really clear what will happen next.  If the US now has to provide security for a new government it could still end up very messy.

[Elerond]

Likelyhood of civil war in Venezuela increased quite lot. They were already quite close, and now current regime is in chaos, but probably will not give up their position willingly and I am not sure that opposition has enough power to force regime change without bloodshed.

This will also most likely start new era of forced regime changes all over the world. Or at least attempts. As what is allowed to one is seen allowed to all.

[Lexx]

Pretty much, america can't talk down from their high horse anymore now. 

What's interesting is the crazy difference between this and russias 3 day operation, where they kinda tried to do the same thing but failed miserably. 

I'm curious if the involved american soldiers think the cause was just or see it as what it is... some rich people wanting to get even more rich. 

[uuuhhii]

that was the easy part 

now see how much usa puppet can stabilize the nation

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, Elerond said:

Likelyhood of civil war in Venezuela increased quite lot. They were already quite close, and now current regime is in chaos, but probably will not give up their position willingly and I am not sure that opposition has enough power to force regime change without bloodshed.

This will also most likely start new era of forced regime changes all over the world. Or at least attempts. As what is allowed to one is seen allowed to all.

A civil war between who?

The Maduro security forces who either weren't motivated to protect Maduro or sold him out?

There is  no way Delta Force would have been able to snatch Maduro so easily without serious domestic  collusion

Andi its also not hard to understand why Venezuelans would work with the US considering how Maduro has destroyed the country and its economy 

But normally regime change is not something that is  as easy to do as what we witnessed over the last 12 hours. So I doubt we will  suddenly see all these new examples of regime change just because Maduro was removed so quickly  

 

35 minutes ago, uuuhhii said:

that was the easy part 

now see how much usa puppet can stabilize the nation

Dont be so doom and gloom, its hard to think of anyone doing a worse job than Maduro 

 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Man, Trump is really trying everything to bury the Epstein stuff.

So the policy of the Trump regime is that the US can't hold the US president accountable for crimes, but they can kidnap presidents of other countries and put them on trial in the US? Seems pretty insane, but the whole operating procedure of the Trump regime is to act like a cartoonishly evil government from the movies so I guess this tracks. Would be kinda funny if arresting Maduro and putting him on a show trial for the trumped up nonsense of being a fentanyl kingpin fails spectacularly.

[uuuhhii]

1 hour ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said:

Man, Trump is really trying everything to bury the Epstein stuff.

So the policy of the Trump regime is that the US can't hold the US president accountable for crimes, but they can kidnap presidents of other countries and put them on trial in the US? Seems pretty insane, but the whole operating procedure of the Trump regime is to act like a cartoonishly evil government from the movies so I guess this tracks. Would be kinda funny if arresting Maduro and putting him on a show trial for the trumped up nonsense of being a fentanyl kingpin fails spectacularly.

 

that could be plot for a good movie

not so fun when it become reality

Edited Saturday at 04:31 PM by uuuhhii

[Lexx]

He will get sentenced and then in a few month will buy himself a pardon from Trump. First Trump will need that juristic victory, then he wants the money. It's a win-win for him.

[Gorgon]

54 minutes ago, uuuhhii said:

 

that could be plot for a good movie

not so fun when it become reality

It's already the plot of the first Rack Ryan movie, the one with Harrison Ford

[Sarex]

So the US will occupy Venezuela, this wasn't a hit and run. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of weeks.

[Malcador]

Ah , the rules based order. Trump saying the US will run the country, heh.  Given they took no fire, guess they negotiated it with underlings?

4 hours ago, BruceVC said:

I have been following the normal rhetoric and sensationalism from anti-American opinions 

They now saying Greenland and Canada is next, " nothing will now stop the US doing the same thing in those countries " 

Imagine suggesting that Trump is going to regime change Canada because its the " same" as Venezuela 

Well if he did, who would stop him? And you'd cheerlead that, anyway.

[Elerond]

2 hours ago, BruceVC said:

A civil war between who?

The Maduro security forces who either weren't motivated to protect Maduro or sold him out?

There is  no way Delta Force would have been able to snatch Maduro so easily without serious domestic  collusion

Andi its also not hard to understand why Venezuelans would work with the US considering how Maduro has destroyed the country and its economy 

But normally regime change is not something that is  as easy to do as what we witnessed over the last 12 hours. So I doubt we will  suddenly see all these new examples of regime change just because Maduro was removed so quickly  

 

Dont be so doom and gloom, its hard to think of anyone doing a worse job than Maduro 

 

Maduro didn't get in power without support (from politicians, officials, judges, military etc.). And those that supported him and his questionable leadership, most likely will not suddenly want in power members of opposition that they have persecuted. Member of opposition are now boldened and they will see that this is their opportunity to cease the power. It also seems that Venezuela's armed forces are divided of who they want to support. So the likelihood of civil war is high. There are also those actual drug barons in South America that see this as opportunity to have their puppet in control.

[Sarex]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c5yqygxe41pt?post=asset%3Aea9f1475-6c65-4930-8370-04be588ee845#post

Oh wow. This is a first time a US president just right out said they did it for the oil...

Wonder how Canada is going to survive this shift in oil export. Maybe sell to China?

Also a good chances that the rest of South American countries start arming themselves as fast as possible after this. Wonder who they will buy their weapons from?

Edited Saturday at 05:16 PM by Sarex

[Malcador]

Colombia may not go down the same way, and Trump hates hard work.  Canada is trying to pivot to EU, but I guess China is more likely.

 

[Sarex]

1 minute ago, Malcador said:

Colombia may not go down the same way, and Trump hates hard work.  Canada is trying to pivot to EU, but I guess China is more likely.

Was poking fun at some people here. Not really serious. I doubt they can switch from Canada that fast as pipelines beat boats for delivery and it's not like Canada is propped up by it's oil industry (as far as I know).

[Malcador]

Just now, Sarex said:

Was poking fun at some people here. Not really serious. I doubt they can switch from Canada that fast as pipelines beat boats for delivery and it's not like Canada is propped up by it's oil industry (as far as I know).

Is always a concern, Americans only comprehend force and will until they get their teeth kicked in. Oil is a large part of the economy here, Canada never focused on developing resources though instead of just selling it to the US.

[rjshae]

Let's see, mass murder: check; piracy: check; kidnapping foreign presidents: check. ##### is racking up quite the crime spree.

[Sarex]

Some evil hearts will spin this story as Trump having done this to bolster Russian economy, as China is now more dependent on Russian oil.

[Agiel]

You would think Thune would at least have called the White House to tell them "You didn't think we have enough problems going into an election year as it is?".

With the capture of Maduro it is in effect what Putin had hoped to achieve with the Desantnik at Hostomel. However I kept telling this to anyone who would listen that destroying the legitimate political leadership of Ukraine and shattering its conventional military was always going to be the "easy" part of the "SOM" and that even prior to 2022 the Russian military was not at all prepared to handle a counter-insurgency against a hostile population. Now can anyone picture the US voting public wanting to spend a single dime on an actually earnest and dedicated nation-building project in Venezuela?

Edited Saturday at 06:19 PM by Agiel

[uuuhhii]

1 hour ago, Malcador said:

Colombia may not go down the same way, and Trump hates hard work.  Canada is trying to pivot to EU, but I guess China is more likely.

 

 

eu love to give speech about moral

not sure they will actually protect canada or greenland if usa really push on the issue

their action in entire 2025 are less than inspiring

[Lexx]

How should we protect them? If america is good at one thing, then it's war. 

Man, Bush still had to invent a lie to get congress to sign off on hostile actions. Trump is just doing it and nobody says anything. The military follows every order, congress isn't even being asked. There's no democracy anymore in america. I'm guessing the midterms will decide the faith of europe as well. If the GOP wins everywhere again, we're in quite some trouble. 

[Malcador]

So the Venezuelan VP is willing to work with the US, according to Trump. 

[Sarex]

10 minutes ago, Malcador said:

So the Venezuelan VP is willing to work with the US, according to Trump. 

Isn't she in Russia?

[rjshae]

What do Iran, Venezuela, and Nigeria have in common? Oil production of course. Drugs, dictatorship, and terrorism are most likely a smoke screen.