The All Things Political Topic - SNAFU edition

[Malcador]

Trump seems like he has ADHD more than anything else.

[Gorgon]

Didn't he for real have the dementia walk. 

[Gromnir]

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Edited 4 hours ago by Gromnir

[Gromnir]

3 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

No, there isn't. It was already addressed, twice, and quite specifically that you could substitute cognition issues for dementia. Precisely because I knew you'd try to make a big deal out of it.

the fact you offered the same non-response twice does not double its value. just an fyi.

as to why any reasonable person would be curious about why the President were given the MoCA following an event in which he displayed possible neurological symptoms is hardly a mystery and we don't need some kinda proof o' degeneration to explain to any honest person. the wh team doctors and a dozen specialists did a battery o' tests in response to an event which startled americans but looks positive banal by trump's 2025 standards. is also more than a few psychiatrists who based on a considerable volume o' observable trump behavior has also expressed concerns... we linked one such but it is hardly an outlier. describing trump symptoms as pathognomonic and comparing to recent and past footage makes Gromnir ask reasonable questions.  'tween genuine expert concerns, coupled with trump lies, we got a choice to either accept zor's self-serving and misleading conclusions based on his flawed description o' tests and conditions (have already pointed out the mischaracterization o' the MoCA and the degenerative aspects of dementia via links to reputable sources,) or we could admit we still don't know just how mental fit is trump or why he were given the original MoCA.

am asking the question 'cause is more relevant today than were the case in 2018 when an episode led to a team o' experts testing trump. am also asking the question, 'cause while zor medical observations about the possibility o' trump's mental fitness is quaint, they run up against actual psychiatrist and neurologist opinions, real experts who has genuine concerns. 'am also asking questions 'cause trump lies, so is near impossible to provide conclusive medical proof; nobody save trump and his doctors has access to his medical records and test results. unlike tucker or zor just asking questions about seth rich, there is no way get essential information about the President's condition. 

one-uping biden were never a convincing answer to the question, in spite o' fact that were one proffer. taking what came straight from the horse's mouth in the absence o' concrete evidence were also hardly a reasonable answer to the question. 

3 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

So yes, you are saying that Trump has an issue, and it's a cognitive one.

no. as noted, for all we know, the test were administered 'cause the doctors believed he had suffered a stroke, TIA or even some other event (again, am not the one pretending expertise an misrepresenting the MoCA and dementia which has necessitated us linking actual sources on multiple occasions) which could have had a very limited impact or duration.   however, am recognizing that the explanation offered by trump and his doctors were not convincing at the time. heck, trump, following the recent media focus on his hand bruising and cankles, finally admitted to chronic venous insufficiency.

again, whether trump has clinical dementia at this time is largely immaterial in our estimation. 

On 11/1/2025 at 11:06 PM, Gromnir said:

but again, "as grotesque as it might be, am gonna suggest americans is much better off with a President who reflexive lies than one who is honest taking pride in his dementia test results." notice we didn't place trump's possible dementia in the balance, but if we take zor's max gullible position, that would mean the President o' the united states is genuine proud of having been able to draw ten-to-eleven on a blank clock face. 

"I took it at Walter Reed Medical Center in front of doctors,” Mr. Trump said. “And they were very surprised. They said, that’s an unbelievable thing. Rarely does anybody do what you just did..."

sooooo... no doubt zor also believes that the doctors were "very surprised," by trump being able to identify an elephant.

trump has lied about his medical issues near as many times as zor has done the whatabout and strawman schtick; is difficult to keep an accurate count. we don't know answers and so like everybody else, we ask the question knowing we will never get definitive proof. lord knows am not taking zor's medical conclusions as particular compelling and your efforts at logic is... amusing.

willing following zor down rabbit holes is exhausting and stoopid, so am not able to blame anybody save our self. nevertheless, am always shocked by your endurance in the face o' pointlessness. congratulations?

HA! Good Fun!

ps @Gorgon the walk issue is addressed in the link we shared. is just one guy, but you seem to have questions...

Edited 6 hours ago by Gromnir

[Gromnir]

apologies for the double, but we shouldn't make anybody suffer another response about trump's bs regarding his 2018 MoCA.

the atlantic article is behind a paywall, but am seeing there is a 49 minute interview wherein the author discusses the relevant subject matter. were posted today. have not watched the interview, but since am having read the article, am admitted curious to hear what mr. kahloon has to say.

edit: we saw 1/2 o' the interview and am tempted to remove the link. the interview is not bad, but similar to tucker carlson, sean hannity and don lemon, the interviewer is an opinion person who is too invested in having the interviewed person agree with them.  will leave, but...

am thinking the linked tweet is enough to trigger a couple people, but in any event, we found the take to be thought provoking.

@Hurlshot and @Amentep is the individuals who most frequent express strong opinions about the US educational system, but is noteworthy that kahloon also speaks to a few european trends by way o' contrast, but more surprising as similarity o' problems.

as an aside, am gonna admit that post retirement am actual less involved in volunteering at local schools than when we were gainful employed. the reason we pulled back is 'cause we noticed a trend o' teachers becoming more hesitant and reluctant to correct bad personal and educational habits. if a student weren't doing assignments, then it were the fault o' the teacher for offering too much homework or for failing to make assignments students wanted to complete. bullying and obnoxious students has always been a thing, 'cause kids are obnoxious and bullying is human nature that must needs be taught is wrong, but we were disappointed by how what we saw as bad behaviour were becoming normalized too frequent. our problem with kids these days were actual an issue with teachers and administrators, 'cause am not thinking the kids changed for reals. nevertheless, we were discouraged enough by the prospect o' going full grumpy old man, so am now only volunteering at the mustard seed school in sacramento, but 'cause o' issues, the drive is a bit difficult for us to manage regular.

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited 5 hours ago by Gromnir

[Hurlshort]

[Gromnir]

22 minutes ago, Hurlshort said:

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is a cartoon, but nevertheless, the displayed situation aligns with what we witnessed. evolving student and parent behaviour explains the capitulation, but it don't change it. is doubtful anybody is satisfied with the conclusion that decreases in overall student performance is the fault o' misguided parents and recalcitrant students. today we demand less from students... save for in mississippi? 

...

there is an obvious follow-up query, no?

HA! Good Fun!

ps removed the image to reduce our clutter.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Gromnir

[Malcador]

1 hour ago, Hurlshort said:

It's all your fault Hurlshot.

[Gromnir]

55 minutes ago, Malcador said:

It's all your fault Hurlshot.

it would be fantastic if it were true, 'cause then the solution would be simple. gonna guess the real solution is less straightforward. 

HA! Good Fun!

[Amentep]

Not sure I can add much other than I think, like most things, it's not one thing but a multitude of things. 

Also test scores have meaning but often times aren't really applied or interpreted very well when discussed in the general public. I think this includes using test scores to the exclusion of other measures when discussing success metrics.

[Chairchucker]

On 10/31/2025 at 5:18 PM, BruceVC said:

Can you imagine if Biden had become president with his condition 

During Donald's second term, he has:

Pardoned approximately 1500 people who stormed the capitol

Signed an executive order to end birthright citizenship, while also telling the lie that the USA is the only country in the world that does this. (It was blocked for being unconstitutional.)

Signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the Paris Climate Agreement. (Coincidentally, his campaign took $75mil from fossil fuel interests, and the new energy secretary founded a fracking firm.)

Signed an executive order putting a pause on all US foreign development assistance programs

Signed an executive order to end DEI (I know Bruce will probably approve of this one because every time someone links to a study that proves that systemic racism definitely still exists, thus necessitating things like DEI, he'll just go hmm agree to disagree)

Appointed a secretary of defense with a history of allegations of sexual violence, alcoholism, workplace misconduct, being sympathetic to neo-nazis, and a white supremacy symbol tattooed on his chest

Talked about the possibility of running for an unconstitutional third term

Signed an executive order banning trans people from serving in the military

Signed an executive order to restrict gender affirming health care to people under the age of 19, against the advice of current research on the subject

Blamed a crash on 'DEI' while an investigation was still ongoing

Appointed as secretary of health and human services a man who had part of his brain eaten by a worm, who has gone on to misinterpret a bunch of studies to perpetuate harmful stereotypes around biological differences between black and white people

Empowered ICE to act with almost no oversight, leading to a number of false arrests and unchecked violence against legal immigrants and US citizens

 

 

That was just January.

 

It takes a mixture of stupidity and evil to look at this current administration and think 'what a relief we don't have Biden.'