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[Lexx]

I don't want to dismiss all of it as bad stuff of course, but I still refuse to watch it, because I just don't want to give them clicks for their "owning the libs"-type content. This is purely based on my experience with this type of content from a few years back. Maybe it was just lots of bad examples, or just the garbage that went viral.

/Edit: Funny thing said by Charlie Kirk:

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The new communications strategy is not to do what Bill Clinton used to do, where he would say, "I feel your pain." Instead, it is to say, "You're actually not in pain." So let's just, little, very short clip. Bill Clinton in the 1990s. It was all about empathy and sympathy. I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage. But, it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy. That's a separate topic for a different time.“

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Lexx

[BruceVC]

40 minutes ago, Lexx said:

I don't want to dismiss all of it as bad stuff of course, but I still refuse to watch it, because I just don't want to give them clicks for their "owning the libs"-type content. This is purely based on my experience with this type of content from a few years back. Maybe it was just lots of bad examples, or just the garbage that went viral.

Sure but thats the point Im trying to explain 

He didnt " own the Libs ", thats just the silly reference that people use on SM and thats part of the problem with the nature of this type of debate. People want to align with one side or another and not listen to what the other person is saying or  how they make there points 

If you want to see how he interacted  with young people and why they enjoyed engaging with him watch the video, the young women is a liberal and believes in women's rights\feminism in a very normal way and she asks excellent questions and makes good points  and clearly is well informed 

Its only 15 minutes but it will give you a better understanding of Charlie Kirk and why he was popular amongst young people on both sides of the aisle 

 

 

 

 

[Pidesco]

3 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Yes he did believe that, its not as insensitive as you suggesting and he clarified this on several occasions and he had ideas around how to reduce gun violence 

But he fundamentally believed in the  2nd Amendment

Millions of Americans do and its unfortunate we conflate the rampant gun violence and its causes  in the US with the right to bear arms 

 

 

He fundamentally believed in the grift and the money that accompanied it.

I'm just suggesting that we should treat his death by the same standards he treated others. He also didn't believe in empathy, so the people who are now sad about his death are just betraying the values Kirk stood for. 

[Pidesco]

This is from 2019, but seems topical.

[Elerond]

Kirk was a poor debater who constantly pivoted to new points whenever faced with difficult questions. His style was rooted in bad faith, serving only to market his own views rather than engage with the actual substance of the discussion. Unfortunately, this kind of shallow performance is exactly what many people seem to enjoy, rather than seeking genuine merit in the topics themselves.

The world lost nothing with his passing. By his own words and attitude, he would not want empathy wasted on him or those close to him—and honoring that wish is the most fitting response.

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[Elerond]

Kirk was awulf debater that always pivots to new point when his opponent ask difficult question. It is bad faith debating meant only to market their own points. Sadly that seems to be the style of debating that people like to watch instead of actually trying to find actual merit in the topics.

World did not lose anything with him, and he himself agrees with that and to honor his views we should not waste any empathy to him or anyone to close to him, it is what he would want.

[Gfted1]

Ive read the shot came from ~200 yards away. Dang! Thats a good shot.

Anywho, I said it before and Ill say it again...automatic blast doors. They need to be installed every hallway and will automatically slam shut upon the first audible gunshot. Then they need to flood the chamber with gas to knock out the perp and resolve the situation.

[BruceVC]

50 minutes ago, Gfted1 said:

Ive read the shot came from ~200 yards away. Dang! Thats a good shot.

Anywho, I said it before and Ill say it again...automatic blast doors. They need to be installed every hallway and will automatically slam shut upon the first audible gunshot. Then they need to flood the chamber with gas to knock out the perp and resolve the situation.

Yes, it seems like a professional hit. Probably ex-military and he got away cleanly 

But Kirk had a certain way he engaged, he would debate  in the open and outside  at Universities in many cases 

So automatic doors wouldnt have helped in this case 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by BruceVC

[Malcador]

And of course Trump going to declare Antifa terrorists.  Or the DNC.  Hilarious overreaction to this, flags at half staff, House pausing in prayer for him.

 

[Lexx]

I can't wait for when it comes out the assassin is a white right wing trump supporter and suddenly nobody will ever hear of it again in the news. 

[BruceVC]

2 hours ago, Elerond said:

Kirk was a poor debater who constantly pivoted to new points whenever faced with difficult questions. His style was rooted in bad faith, serving only to market his own views rather than engage with the actual substance of the discussion. Unfortunately, this kind of shallow performance is exactly what many people seem to enjoy, rather than seeking genuine merit in the topics themselves.

The world lost nothing with his passing. By his own words and attitude, he would not want empathy wasted on him or those close to him—and honoring that wish is the most fitting response.

Did you watch the video I posted earlier?

You might personally think he was a bad debater but thats clearly not what the young people who use to debate him thought 

The young lady in the video says after  about 8 minutes " Im having so much fun in this debate " 

I would assume the people who spent time debating Kirk who be the best ones to judge if he was a good debater?

 

[Elerond]

28 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Did you watch the video I posted earlier?

You might personally think he was a bad debater but thats clearly not what the young people who use to debate him thought 

The young lady in the video says after  about 8 minutes " Im having so much fun in this debate " 

I would assume the people who spent time debating Kirk who be the best ones to judge if he was a good debater?

 

I didn't watch it. But I have watched lots of other videos of his debates and seen how he does things most of the time

Here is one student telling about her debate with Kirk

Point of the debate is to bring up the merits of the point of the view that you are debating for, but if you always pivot to another question or topic when you are challenged then that isn't mark of good debater, but it maybe indication that you can think fast, which may allow you to win over the audience even though you weren't able to actually defend you point

Lets say that in doctorial candidate defends their dissertation, when questioned their facts that by questioning questioner about facts of different topic. Would you say they are defending well their dissertation and their research or are they just hoping to distract questioner so that they don't see that they can't defend their research?

Also I would point out that people can easily have fun in debates even if everyone involved is absolute garbage in debating, because having fun doing something does not mean that you are good at it. I have fun playing football, but at best I am bit worse than you 7th division player.

[Gfted1]

1 hour ago, BruceVC said:

Yes, it seems like a professional hit. Probably ex-military and he got away cleanly 

But Kirk had a certain way he engaged, he would debate  in the open and outside  at Universities in many cases 

So automatic doors wouldnt have helped in this case 

 

At that range the shooter was probably aiming for the head and the bullet drop hit the neck.

And my bad, I was referring to in-school shootings.

[uuuhhii]

qatar capital bombed

seem like usa still fully support their colony at middle east

they will die on this hill

[Gorgon]

Kirk answered a question about gun violence and got shot in the neck.  I mean ...