The All Things Political Topic - What's Going On...?

[rjshae]

2 hours ago, uuuhhii said:

the idea anything other than full nationalization will have any effect at this point is delusional

The USA is (I believe) the only remaining industrialized nation without some form of universal health care coverage. I suppose that's likely because it is viewed as a form of socialism, or anti-capitalist. It's going to be difficult to make that political leap, but doing so will be beneficial to many and should eventually help alleviate a chunk of the deficit spending.

[Hurlshort]

I read that there will be an MMA fight on the White House lawn, and I did a double take when I saw that it was ABC news and not the Onion.

[rjshae]

5 hours ago, Hurlshort said:

I read that there will be an MMA fight on the White House lawn, and I did a double take when I saw that it was ABC news and not the Onion.

The loser gets thrown under a bus... then deported.

[BruceVC]

https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/austria-valued-partner-south-africa-president-ramaphosa

 

@majestic

I see there was a  cordial visit from your President  to South Africa and it was very well received, he doesnt seem very Nazi?

 

" During a media briefing following officials talks between the two countries, President Ramaphosa reflected on the central-European country’s contribution to the fight against apartheid.

“Your Excellency, it’s an honour to have you here and I welcome you to South Africa. This is the first time that an Austrian Head of State has visited democratic South Africa.

“In our official talks, we took the opportunity to thank the Austrian people for their support during our struggle for democracy.

“We believe that this solidarity they pledged to the people of South Africa as they struggled against apartheid has laid a firm basis for our bilateral cooperation. 

“Your visit marks a new chapter for the relations between Austria and South Africa, as we seek to deepen investment and trade between our two countries,” President Ramaphosa said. "

 

[Gorgon]

3 hours ago, rjshae said:

The loser gets thrown under a bus... then deported.

It's not strange at all, MMA is the source of Trumps masculinity and a cathedral to the angry bald white man lifestyle.  What's Rome without the colosseum. 

 

[Malcador]

17 hours ago, Hurlshort said:

I read that there will be an MMA fight on the White House lawn, and I did a double take when I saw that it was ABC news and not the Onion.

The masses need their opium.

[majestic]

10 hours ago, BruceVC said:

I see there was a  cordial visit from your President  to South Africa and it was very well received, he doesnt seem very Nazi?

That is probably because he's from the Greens, not the FPÖ, but that's just a guess.  

[BruceVC]

11 hours ago, majestic said:

That is probably because he's from the Greens, not the FPÖ, but that's just a guess.  

That probably explains it because he came across as sincere and avuncular 

But he got asked a strange question, apparently an Austrian journalist said to him " why he was visiting a country with human rights violations against minorities."

" Speaking through an interpreter, van der Bellen gave this short answer. "Yes, we discussed that it is absolute nonsense. If you can please communicate that to colleagues in the Freedom Party [of Austria]."

https://www.ewn.co.za/2025/07/04/austrian-president-says-suggestions-that-white-south-africans-human-rights-being-violated-absolute-nonsense

 

Which has to do with whole exaggeration around ''white genocide", I didnt think this was still something anyone really discussed anymore , even in SA we have moved on from the media and public  interest in this 

Is this still something that is discussed in Austria  as far as you aware? Maybe its right-wing groups that raise this 

 

 

 

[majestic]

On 7/6/2025 at 6:36 AM, BruceVC said:

Is this still something that is discussed in Austria  as far as you aware? Maybe its right-wing groups that raise this 

Currently the right-wing narrative is much more focused on the pride month and rainbow parades at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised if the alleged white genocide is part of it. They are, basically, integrating everything they can find to oppose the system into their narrative - COVID-19 conspiracy theories, Russophilia, anti-vax positions and the culture war. Genocide against white people largely ignored by the woke mainstream media is too tempting to not make use of. In that way all right-wing reactionary movements are peas of a pod, whether they're led by Trump, Wilders, Kickl, Le Pen or Orban. 

The only odd one out is Kaczyński insofar as you can't really say that being pro Russia is part of his party's stance. He's still helping Russia indirectly though, as everyone who opposes a more unified European Union does. This is just the state of the world today, Ned Stark had it right: "The lone wolf dies, but the pack survives."

At least people are finally seeing that the USA aren't our allies, let alone friends. Baby steps. 

Edited July 7 by majestic

[uuuhhii]

eu show itself unable and unwilling to cut the usa string at every opportunity

as self destructive as ever

 

[Malcador]

https://nytimes.com/2025/07/05/us/politics/texas-floods-warnings-vacancies.html

"In an interview, Rob Kelly, the Kerr County judge and its most senior elected official, said the county did not have a warning system because such systems are expensive, and local residents are resistant to new spending.

“Taxpayers won’t pay for it,” Mr. Kelly said. Asked if people might reconsider in light of the catastrophe, he said, “I don’t know.” "

[Gorth]

3 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://nytimes.com/2025/07/05/us/politics/texas-floods-warnings-vacancies.html

"In an interview, Rob Kelly, the Kerr County judge and its most senior elected official, said the county did not have a warning system because such systems are expensive, and local residents are resistant to new spending.

“Taxpayers won’t pay for it,” Mr. Kelly said. Asked if people might reconsider in light of the catastrophe, he said, “I don’t know.” "

I had so much to say about the subject and all of it in incredibly bad taste, so I might save it for 5 years and then revisit the thread (out of respect for those who died) 

[uuuhhii]

uk are arresting 83 year old in defence of their worst colonial remnant

it is not surprising that uk support colonialism

just didn't expect them to do it so pathetically 

Edited July 7 by uuuhhii

[rjshae]

22 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://nytimes.com/2025/07/05/us/politics/texas-floods-warnings-vacancies.html

"In an interview, Rob Kelly, the Kerr County judge and its most senior elected official, said the county did not have a warning system because such systems are expensive, and local residents are resistant to new spending.

“Taxpayers won’t pay for it,” Mr. Kelly said. Asked if people might reconsider in light of the catastrophe, he said, “I don’t know.” "

I think the prioritization is understandable. This is one of those rare events that are very difficult to forecast. It's only natural for people to prioritize more immediate concerns. At any rate, it's a horrible tragedy and my sympathies for the families involved.

[BruceVC]

4 hours ago, uuuhhii said:

uk are arresting 83 year old in defence of their worst colonial remnant

it is not surprising that uk support colonialism

just didn't expect them to do it so pathetically 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vrjkev802o

 

Nah, as usual it has nothing to do with Colonialism

She was supporting a banned protest group, should the rule of law and order not be enforced? If you dont break the law during protests you wont get arrested in the  UK 

 "The group became a proscribed organisation under the Terrorism Act 2000 on Saturday, making membership or expressing support for them punishable by up to 14 years in prison. Met Police commissioner Sir Mark Rowley said: "It is not about protest. This is about an organisation committing serious criminality. A total of 29 people were arrested at the demonstration and have since been released on police bail pending further inquiries. 

The move to ban the organisation was announced after two Voyager aircraft were sprayed with red paint at RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire on 20 June. It caused about £7m of damage, police said.

MPs voted in favour of legislation to proscribe group Palestine Action as a terrorist organisation on Friday. Home Secretary Yvette Cooper previously described the group as "disgraceful" and highlighted their "long history of unacceptable criminal damage

Sir Mark was asked on the BBC's Sunday With Laura Kuenssberg show whether it was a good use of police time.

He said: "The law doesn't have an age limit, whether you're 18 or 80.

"If you're supporting proscribed organisations, then the law is going to be enforced. "

 

 

Edited July 7 by BruceVC

[Zoraptor]

Well if British State Media says it's ok to designate a peaceful protest group as- and they do their best to obfuscate it- Terrorists then I guess it's OK. And of course The Law must be followed. So I expect zero complaints from Bruce about RT and people following Russian Law. Heh, if it was in Russia it'd 100% be about silencing dissent, because it 100% is about silencing dissent. That law was designed specifically to be abused in this precise way with this precise intention.

Things which are terrorism in the UK: Chucking some paint on planes. Can you imagine how much terror it engendered in, um, uh... someone. 

Things which aren't terrorism in the UK: Blowing up children, torturing doctors to death and blowing up other doctors with their children; starvation as a method of war, collective punishment, waging aggressive war, deliberate and sustained targeting of civilians, journalists, medics, intellectuals; mass detention without trial. And stealing land for settlers from its original inhabitants isn't colonialism.

It was the final command of Starmer: Reject the Evidence of Your Eyes and Ears. 

[uuuhhii]

colonialism was very legal too

uk have the paperwork to prove it

[uuuhhii]

4 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

Well if British State Media says it's ok to designate a peaceful protest group as- and they do their best to obfuscate it- Terrorists then I guess it's OK. And of course The Law must be followed. So I expect zero complaints from Bruce about RT and people following Russian Law. Heh, if it was in Russia it'd 100% be about silencing dissent, because it 100% is about silencing dissent. That law was designed specifically to be abused in this precise way with this precise intention.

Things which are terrorism in the UK: Chucking some paint on planes. Can you imagine how much terror it engendered in, um, uh... someone. 

Things which aren't terrorism in the UK: Blowing up children, torturing doctors to death and blowing up other doctors with their children; starvation as a method of war, collective punishment, waging aggressive war, deliberate and sustained targeting of civilians, journalists, medics, intellectuals; mass detention without trial. And stealing land for settlers from its original inhabitants isn't colonialism.

It was the final command of Starmer: Reject the Evidence of Your Eyes and Ears. 

 

uk did all that and much much much worse within the last 100 year

their glass house are always sparkling

[Zoraptor]

Well yeah. Quite apart from depopulating Diego Garcia for a US base British conduct in their African colonies is well within living memory. And that involved mass ethnic cleansing, concentration camps (with wonderful euphemisms like 'villagisation'; albeit that's a step back from 'islands of tranquility' or whatever it was Hagari came up with for the concentration camps in Gaza) including 'work camps', torture (with an active policy of gelding captives) and murder quite apart from the 'legit' military stuff. You might think from their rhetoric about it all being in the past that the Brits might have apologised, paid reparations, maybe put a few people on trial.

Yeah, nah; their policy is that it just sort of randomly happened with no input from them, Britain had nothing to do with it and all complaints have to be addressed to their legal successor states like Kenya. Due to, and I am not making this up, a ruling about Patagonian Toothfish. They did eventually give them some money to get them to Just Shut Up, though with no apology or admission of having done anything wrong; indeed, with a reiteration that it was all Kenya's problem.

Though, of course, the successor state did not get any of the relevant files from the old colonial state for some strange reason, they went to, hmm, Whitehall UK. Where they were promptly 'misfiled' and lost. Funny that.

Not just a Brit thing either, see the Nama/ Herero genocides of Germany I mentioned a week ago and how they tried to minimise and disclaim responsibility. Though at least (well, 'at least') that is out of living memory now.

And people wonder why the bleating rhetoric about how it was so long ago and they're really sorry from euros rings extremely hollow.

[Malcador]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/07/07/trump-tariffs-trade-letters-japan.html

Serious letters sent to other nations.  Not even 6 months into this bull**** too.

[BruceVC]

9 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Well if British State Media says it's ok to designate a peaceful protest group as- and they do their best to obfuscate it- Terrorists then I guess it's OK. And of course The Law must be followed. So I expect zero complaints from Bruce about RT and people following Russian Law. Heh, if it was in Russia it'd 100% be about silencing dissent, because it 100% is about silencing dissent. That law was designed specifically to be abused in this precise way with this precise intention.

Things which are terrorism in the UK: Chucking some paint on planes. Can you imagine how much terror it engendered in, um, uh... someone. 

Things which aren't terrorism in the UK: Blowing up children, torturing doctors to death and blowing up other doctors with their children; starvation as a method of war, collective punishment, waging aggressive war, deliberate and sustained targeting of civilians, journalists, medics, intellectuals; mass detention without trial. And stealing land for settlers from its original inhabitants isn't colonialism.

It was the final command of Starmer: Reject the Evidence of Your Eyes and Ears. 

Palestine Action has a long list of crimes associated with there protest actions, its not just this one incident. House of Commons voted  385 votes to 26 to amend the anti-terrorism laws so it  wasn't something Starmer decided on a whim. If an Israeli protest group is also constantly breaking the law then they should also get banned under this law

 

And then the UK is definitely not Russia and how the rule of law and order is observed and enforced, thats a silly false equivalence 

 

But here is a list of why Palestine Action was banned, if they weren't actually constantly breaking the law they wouldn't be banned 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/4/palestine-action-what-has-the-group-done-as-it-faces-a-ban

• The group launched a series of break-ins at Elbit’s Ferranti site in Oldham, near Manchester in northern England. Between 2020 and early 2022, the site was repeatedly occupied and vandalised, culminating in Elbit closing the facility in January 2022 – an outcome Palestine Action declared as a major victory.
• In 2021, the group occupied the Leicester drone factory operated by UAV Tactical Systems, a subsidiary of Elbit. Activists chained themselves to the roof for nearly a week. Ten people were arrested, but later acquitted.
• Throughout 2022, PA’s actions became more frequent. In April, they blockaded another Elbit site in Braunstone, Leicestershire. In June, they broke into the Thales UK factory in Glasgow and caused more than 1 million pounds ($1.37m) of damage with smoke bombs and property destruction. Five activists were jailed.
• Following the launch of Israel’s war on Gaza in October 2023, Palestine Action intensified its efforts. They targeted the BBC’s headquarters in London with red paint to protest against the broadcaster’s perceived pro-Israel bias, and blockaded facilities of arms manufacturers including Lockheed Martin, the US aerospace and defence group which has a base in London, and Leonardo, the defence and security group.
• Palestine Action has also expanded internationally. In November 2023, its newly launched US branch occupied the roof of an Elbit facility in Merrimack, New Hampshire, with three activists arrested and later released with misdemeanour charges.
• In August 2024, activists drove a van into Elbit’s headquarters in Bristol, stormed the building and caused extensive damage. At about the same time, they spray-painted the Ministry of Defence, in central London, red and defaced a statue of Arthur Balfour with tomato ketchup inside the House of Commons. Balfour was a former Conservative prime minister who, as serving foreign secretary in 1917, authored the Balfour Declaration which supported the establishment of a Jewish Homeland in Palestine.
• In June 2025, the group carried out one of its most provocative actions to date: infiltrating RAF Brize Norton, the UK’s largest airbase. Activists used electric scooters to breach security and vandalised military aircraft with red paint.

 

[uuuhhii]

great

uk should have no working military aircraft as long as they still support their colonial remnant

which is always

[uuuhhii]

2 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/07/07/trump-tariffs-trade-letters-japan.html

Serious letters sent to other nations.  Not even 6 months into this bull**** too.

 

3 month of stalling and best they can come up with is rounding those idiotic number to the nearest 5

truly the greatest economical genius usa have to offer in display

[BruceVC]

18 minutes ago, uuuhhii said:

great

uk should have no working military aircraft as long as they still support their colonial remnant

which is always

Are you saying that you support violence and criminality in UK protests as a way to achieve political change or around disagreements how  the UK government defines its geopolitical views?

Would you support protestors attacking and damaging UK public sector institutions like Parliament or is it  only UK military sites you support being attacked?

And then would you  support right-wing groups breaking the law in protests or is it only pro-Palestinian groups that should be allowed to break the law?

 

 

[uuuhhii]

obviously anti colonialism violence are always more justified than colonial violence

france should be kick out of algeria with violence

france does not have any right to stay in algeria with violence