The All Things Political Topic - Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence

[Malcador]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-new-name-usns-harvey-milk-ships-named-for-civil-rights-leaders/

Kegseth really has too much free time on his hands.

[rjshae]

I see El Jefe has gone with the "Yes I am a crime lord" look for his official portrait. At least it doesn't look "distorted". Heh. It fits with his theme of pardoning despicable people.

Trump pardons former sheriff convicted of bribery

[majestic]

21 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-new-name-usns-harvey-milk-ships-named-for-civil-rights-leaders/

Kegseth really has too much free time on his hands.

Hope it'll be called USNS Covfefe.

[uuuhhii]

france are now fighting phub for age verification

no matter how stupid all previous attempt was it will always be attempted again

[Zoraptor]

Our parliament just suspended a bunch of its Maori MPs for three weeks for having a haka.

To put that in perspective the longest previous was three days and literally punching an MP netted zero days- OK, it was Tau Henare getting the punch so that was probably justifiable. The puncher also became Speaker, to add extra hilarity. Driving a tractor up the steps of parliament netted zero days. Driving a ute up the steps having been told twice not to then lying about it repeatedly also netted zero days. Opposition MPs, voted out by the government narrowly along party lines, with Whip applied. Proud day for National, so proud only one of them had the guts to actually make a speech. Ironically, Chris Bishop. Who has been in the news for drunkenly telling a bunch of Maori to sit down and shut up at our local music awards and being told to eff off by one of his favourite musicians as a result. The chair of Privileges Committee that recommended the sanctions? Judith Collins, who was previously sacked after persistent allegations of corruption (currently a requirement for a Cabinet position and my local MP, both sadly).

Going to be a great deal of fun watching this being repeatedly abused in the future with great gnashing of teeth from the freedom of speech brigade- who all, of course, voted for the suspensions because nothing says freedom of speech like a party line vote to deny people representation. Oh yeah, the guy who drove the ute up parliament steps and lied repeatedly about being told not to? One of the freedom of speech brigade and our current deputy PM who was just expressing himself freely as is his right. 

Absolute embarrassment to the country and everyone involved ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. But they most definitely won't be.

[oh yeah, the free speech party's member of the Privilege's Committee- who is a politician specifically, and this is not made up it's literally her stated reason for it, so her relatives can get liquor licenses with fewer problems- took legal advice as to whether they could get the MPs jailed for the haka. Seems like a bit of a snowflake, eh]

Edited yesterday at 10:11 AM by Zoraptor

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, Zoraptor said:

Our parliament just suspended a bunch of its Maori MPs for three weeks for having a haka.

To put that in perspective the longest previous was three days and literally punching an MP netted zero days- OK, it was Tau Henare getting the punch so that was probably justifiable. The puncher also became Speaker, to add extra hilarity. Driving a tractor up the steps of parliament netted zero days. Driving a ute up the steps having been told twice not to then lying about it repeatedly also netted zero days. Opposition MPs, voted out by the government narrowly along party lines, with Whip applied. Proud day for National, so proud only one of them had the guts to actually make a speech. Ironically, Chris Bishop. Who has been in the news for drunkenly telling a bunch of Maori to sit down and shut up at our local music awards and being told to eff off by one of his favourite musicians as a result. The chair of Privileges Committee that recommended the sanctions? Judith Collins, who was previously sacked after persistent allegations of corruption (currently a requirement for a Cabinet position and my local MP, both sadly).

Going to be a great deal of fun watching this being repeatedly abused in the future with great gnashing of teeth from the freedom of speech brigade- who all, of course, voted for the suspensions because nothing says freedom of speech like a party line vote to deny people representation. Oh yeah, the guy who drove the ute up parliament steps and lied repeatedly about being told not to? One of the freedom of speech brigade and our current deputy PM who was just expressing himself freely as is his right. 

Absolute embarrassment to the country and everyone involved ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. But they most definitely won't be.

[oh yeah, the free speech party's member of the Privilege's Committee- who is a politician specifically, and this is not made up it's literally her stated reason for it, so her relatives can get liquor licenses with fewer problems- took legal advice as to whether they could get the MPs jailed for the haka. Seems like a bit of a snowflake, eh]

Sounds like NZ is descending into a Nazi state, only one thing can save you  now ....a Russian invasion 

[Gorth]

2 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Sounds like NZ is descending into a Nazi state, only one thing can save you  now ....a Russian invasion 

I thought NZ had already sold out to the Chinese... maybe its a pact between Xi and Putin on how to partition the world in spheres of influence?

[Amentep]

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“This was a very serious incident, the likes of which I have never seen before in my 23 years in the debating chamber,” said someone who was danced at.

 

[majestic]

Indeed, this is something the likes of which the world has never seen the likes of which. 

Honsetly not sure what all the fuzz is about. Pretty tame compared to the Korean brawls.  

Edited yesterday at 06:32 PM by majestic

[HoonDing]

[Malcador]

7 minutes ago, majestic said:

Indeed, this is something the like of which the world has never seen the likes of which. 

Honsetly not sure what all the fuzz is about. Pretty tame compared to the Korean brawls.  

Balkan parliaments sure have fun ones, pepper spray, flashbangs, smoke grenades

 

[Zoraptor]

Honestly, our politicians aim for Winston Churchill, world statesman, and only ever manage to achieve Winston Churchill*, incompetent authoritarian racist. Then wonder why Maori feel disconnected from the political process and want their own parliament. It's a complete mystary as to why.

Best thing that could happen is being laughed at internationally since that hits the one intangible they care very much about, their inflated and totally unjustified pride in themselves.

*to be charitable. Eric Cartman riding a trike demanding people respect his authority is far more accurate.

[uuuhhii]

2 president of usa are having a ridiculous slap fight

if someone make this up it would be accused of being not subtle enough

[rjshae]

Trump v. Musk

Who didn't see that one coming? Two huge egoists trying to work together? Ha! The only surprise is it lasted as long as it did. My speculation is Musk is trying to recover Tesla now that the market has dropped out of his firm. The only quick way to do that is to win back his buyers by going after DJT. The logic of psilocybin, ketamine, and ecstasy, I suppose.

[Malcador]

You want an image of the future?  Imagine a Modern Warfare 2 lobby.

[HoonDing]

lol Bessent actually gave Musk that black eye

and Bessent is in fact gay and married, the more you know

 

[BruceVC]

7 hours ago, rjshae said:

Trump v. Musk

Who didn't see that one coming? Two huge egoists trying to work together? Ha! The only surprise is it lasted as long as it did. My speculation is Musk is trying to recover Tesla now that the market has dropped out of his firm. The only quick way to do that is to win back his buyers by going after DJT. The logic of psilocybin, ketamine, and ecstasy, I suppose.

I didnt expect the relationship to collapse and become so personal 

Normally when people have a fallout from Trump they walk away but Musk has decided to respond and predictably SM is his tool

The bromance is definitely over 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-disappointed-elon-musk-musk-strikes-back-real/story?id=122543215

" As the exchanges grew progressively personal, Musk posted, without providing evidence, about Trump and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, "Time to drop the really big bomb: @realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT!"

[Zoraptor]

Donald Trump now has the opportunity to do the funniest thing: deport Musk back to South Africa.

[BruceVC]

54 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

Donald Trump now has the opportunity to do the funniest thing: deport Musk back to South Africa.

Its funny you mention that but thats exactly what some of the MAGA SM outrage is suggesting 

But what is more hilarious is how the  last 4 months we have seen the MAGA SM activists support and justify everything Musk has said and done and they now  turning on everything he said 

Now suddenly " Musk did make a Nazi solute and DOGE is his failure " 

DOGE was absolutely supported and endorsed by Trump on every level and you cant separate the shortfalls and failures of the commitments of DOGE from either person

Trump and Musk are very similar, there egos and general sentiments are why they got on so well 

But thats also why the Bromance has ended so badly

Musk is one of the worlds most  successful and brilliant visionaries around business but he should have stayed out of politics 

He is not a good politician 

 

 

 

 

[majestic]

52 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

But what is more hilarious is how the  last 4 months we have seen the MAGA SM activists support and justify everything Musk has said and done and they now  turning on everything he said 

Now suddenly " Musk did make a Nazi solute and DOGE is his failure " 

We have always been at war with Eastasia. It's 41 years late, but it's here. 

[uuuhhii]

3 minutes ago, majestic said:

We have always been at war with Eastasia. It's 41 years late, but it's here. 

 

problem with dystopia is that no one expect it to be this dumb and lame

even idiocracy at least have terry crews as president

[Malcador]

8 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Donald Trump now has the opportunity to do the funniest thing: deport Musk back to South Africa.

Nah, have to send him to some unrelated unstable or warzone adjacent country.  Chad maybe.

[HoonDing]

Deport? Musk will go the way of Prigozhin.

[rjshae]

46 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Nah, have to send him to some unrelated unstable or warzone adjacent country.  Chad maybe.

He'd just spend a few billion to build an impenetrable bunker habitat. I think the guy just needs to lay off the drugs and go cold turkey with the social media sewage system.

[Agiel]

To borrow a phrase from Tolkien: Good need not defeat stupidity, it need only to resist stupidity. And stupidity will inevitably destroy itself.

Also, an observation: Given that much of Musk's current net worth comes as a result of significant government largesse, be it from DoD contracts for SpaceX and subsidies for Tesla and that he's apparently pushing for a surrender in a war the US isn't even fighting in does that make him a Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkey?

Edited 3 hours ago by Agiel