Ukraine Conflict - In the grim darkness of the near future, there is only war!

[Mamoulian War]

Of course the polls are now that way. Even Zelenskyi said in September, he wants to end the war as soon as possible. (note, neither him, nor the polls have explicitly specified what date they are talking about, when using term as soon as possible)
 

Few days ago he even said, that he wants to end it in 2025. No surprise there at all. Still 38% of UA want to fight till the victory.  And I guarantee you, that ending war as soon as possible even in the eyes of these 52% of Ukrainians does not mean to surrender to Russia, just to have peace, but “enjoy” the ethnic cleansings, like before, when Stalin was still around…

[Sarex]

5 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

In other news, looks plausible that Russia fired a bunch of ICBM at Ukraine. No nuclear warheads, obviously. Probably used only as kinetic impactors. Would explain all those embassies that were ordered closed, the launches would have been disclosed ahead of time.

That is not a good turn of events... Even if it's just to make a point.

Edited Thursday at 05:17 PM by Sarex

[Malcador]

Pretty at least. 

CNN reporting it was an experimental MRBM. Although I guess isn't that great a distinction between classes when the concern is a nuclear warhead

 

Edited Thursday at 05:36 PM by Malcador

[Mamoulian War]

With which, if it is true, they have broken another treaty and some people still want to negotiate with them

 

Back to Kursk. It is said, Lieutenant General Solodkov was on site, welcoming the 12 Storm Shadow arrivals. His fate for now is unknown.

[Zoraptor]

Eh, which treaty did they break?

(IRBM aren't banned any more. INF was 2 party, with the US withdrawing in 2019. It's defunct. Much like all the other agreements Trump or Bush broke Biden had 4 years to reinstate it or renegotiate it if he wanted, but didn't.

The US had also systematically and provably abrogated it for years previous via Aegis Ashore, which uses ground based tomahawk launchers. Russia may have as well but that was never proven- indeed, the only accusations of them using weapons that would have been banned under it, in the Ukraine War, are within the last year. This would be the first Russian system used too, since the other accusation (not proven) was a DPRK system)

Anyway, looks like it was definitely an IRBM ('Oreshnik') since Putin has announced it as such.

[HoonDing]

<- nuclear apocalypse

-> slow societal collapse

[Mamoulian War]

On 11/21/2024 at 8:40 PM, Zoraptor said:

Eh, which treaty did they break?

(IRBM aren't banned any more. INF was 2 party, with the US withdrawing in 2019. It's defunct. Much like all the other agreements Trump or Bush broke Biden had 4 years to reinstate it or renegotiate it if he wanted, but didn't.

The US had also systematically and provably abrogated it for years previous via Aegis Ashore, which uses ground based tomahawk launchers. Russia may have as well but that was never proven- indeed, the only accusations of them using weapons that would have been banned under it, in the Ukraine War, are within the last year. This would be the first Russian system used too, since the other accusation (not proven) was a DPRK system)

Anyway, looks like it was definitely an IRBM ('Oreshnik') since Putin has announced it as such.

People here on boards were talking about ICBMs. Media as well... And taking anything that Putin says at face value in current day and time? Seriously?

But yeah, if it was IRBM, as currently reported by "untrustworthy western media", they did not break any treaty

[Zoraptor]

They also didn't break a treaty if it was an ICBM. Using an ICBM with a conventional warhead or as an impactor isn't banned and never has been, and the US says they got advance notice.

Both the US and Russia say it was an IRBM though, and with a launch site near Astrakhan it seems more than likely it was. ICBM was the initial claim from Ukraine.

[Gorth]

Split off from previous thread....