US Presidential Elections - 2024 edition

[ShadySands]

3 hours ago, Malcador said:

Again why are you trusting Trump ? See comments on tariffs and groceries recently. Also the fact that he's not interested in the work, isn't hard to manipulate.

The funny thing is they only trust him at his word on the good stuff

He's super easy to manipulate too, Eric Adams just kissed his butt a little bit and pardons are already being floated. These companies stay at his properties, the Softbank thing was announced at Mar-a-Lago, and it includes previously announced investments, this isn't a completely new deal because Trump got elected, it's just being repackaged for a narcissist.

[Lexx]

Yeah, it's a bit infuriating. If Trump says something positive, he will be taken at face value. If he says something negative then obviously it was just a joke and not serious, and anyways, it won't pass congress, so no worry!

[rjshae]

7 hours ago, Lexx said:

Yeah, it's a bit infuriating. If Trump says something positive, he will be taken at face value. If he says something negative then obviously it was just a joke and not serious, and anyways, it won't pass congress, so no worry!

I've just resigned myself to the fact that he's going to say a lot of stupid things, and stopped trying to filter for common sense. His close supporters just tend to make up random stuff to fit the sputum, so it's difficult to take serious.

[BruceVC]

4 hours ago, rjshae said:

I've just resigned myself to the fact that he's going to say a lot of stupid things, and stopped trying to filter for common sense. His close supporters just tend to make up random stuff to fit the sputum, so it's difficult to take serious.

Absolutely and this is the best way to " survive " the unnecessary anxiety of another 4 years of Trump 

 

Trump has demonstrated 3 main ways he communicates and you  shouldnt reflect on them in the same way because they often dont mean the same thing or why he does it 

First way : His SM comments, often just rants and raves and part of his capricious mood swings, definitely not to be taken seriously  

Second way: His comments at rallies, often also part of the theatre and attention he loves. Should be taken more seriously if its part of the official script but Trump often deviates from the script

Third way : Interviews, WH media updates and official meetings with world leaders. Should be seen as more credible because he seems to take these interactions more seriously  

But Trump has a constant problem with staying on script but that doesnt mean there arent times where what he says he believes. Like border control and mass deportations of illegals 

You just need to learn to filter and separate what he really believes and wants to implement from the drama and hyperbole 

And  what I find constantly amazing is the endless media appetite from certain media houses to always be "outraged " by what he says as if everything he says in the 3 examples I mentioned should be taken  seriously all the time in the same way

It must be incredibly mentally draining and requires real mental  fortitude and that applies to his hardcore supporters and surrogates who have to constantly " explain " what he meant or give context 

 

 

[Malcador]

19 hours ago, ShadySands said:

The funny thing is they only trust him at his word on the good stuff

Yeah, faith is all that matters. But that's still aside from whether or not Project 2025 gets carried out in any degree.  Trump's personal beliefs, if he even has any, won't play into it that much.

[Gfted1]

27 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Yeah, faith is all that matters.

Just look at all the religious nutters.

[Malcador]

Double post..

Edited December 18, 2024 by Malcador

[Malcador]

1 hour ago, Gfted1 said:

Just look at all the religious nutters.

https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak

 

[Malcador]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/donald-trump-says-canada-becoming-51st-u-s-state-a-great-idea-1.7149805

Wonder what the 100 MM "subsidy" is that he's talking about. Also, surprised 100 MM would even make a dent in the US budget, heck or even ours.   But the solution is clear. Canada must get nukes to defend our sovereignty.

[Zoraptor]

You could start with ordering some lovely nuclear submarines, maybe. For added sass make them Le Triomphant class.

(Guess Denmark is glad he's moved on from buying Greenland)

[BruceVC]

8 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/donald-trump-says-canada-becoming-51st-u-s-state-a-great-idea-1.7149805

Wonder what the 100 MM "subsidy" is that he's talking about. Also, surprised 100 MM would even make a dent in the US budget, heck or even ours.   But the solution is clear. Canada must get nukes to defend our sovereignty.

Malc would you vote in favour of a referendum around Canada becoming part of the US ?

It would solve lots or problems and you can REALLY become  closer to  American celebrity culture 

 

Plus you can go to Vegas easier 

[rjshae]

The US has a long history of states talking about seceding from the nation. I think talk of Canada joining the US is no different. It's just talk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States#20th_century_efforts_and_beyond

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_North_America#United_States

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, rjshae said:

The US has a long history of states talking about seceding from the nation. I think talk of Canada joining the US is no different. It's just talk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States#20th_century_efforts_and_beyond

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_North_America#United_States

Sure but its completely unrealistic the idea of leaving the US. Its just populist rhetoric that legally is almost impossible to imagine it could happen, its possible but Constitutionally very hard 

But joining the US is different, would you like and support the idea  of  Canada to become part of the US? Remember despite all Canadas social problems its a rich country, 9th largest economy in the world so they wouldnt be an economic burden 

[Gfted1]

The US should join Canada so I can get some of that sweet sweet UHC.

[rjshae]

On 12/20/2024 at 9:14 PM, BruceVC said:

But joining the US is different, would you like and support the idea  of  Canada to become part of the US? Remember despite all Canadas social problems its a rich country, 9th largest economy in the world so they wouldnt be an economic burden 

I like the idea of them being peaceful and friendly neighbors, so I dislike anything that may disrupt the relationship. The concept of a merger may very well disrupt that, and not for the better.

[BruceVC]

22 minutes ago, rjshae said:

I like the idea of them being peaceful and friendly neighbors, so I dislike anything that may disrupt the relationship. The concept of a merger may very well disrupt that, and not for the better.

True, there is an obvious advantage to having a good  neighbor like with Canada 

And if Canada becomes another US state that could create unforeseen problems that dont exist

I was thinking about something else around borders, where you live in Washington state you share a border with Canada

There must hundreds of ways a person could cross into Canada through wilderness paths and old trails without  going through border control?

Is the border between your state and Canada porous like that or am I  misunderstanding this reality?

 

 

 

 

 

[Malcador]

On 12/21/2024 at 12:14 AM, BruceVC said:

Remember despite all Canadas social problems its a rich country, 9th largest economy in the world so they wouldnt be an economic burden 

What social problems are you referencing, specifically ?

[rjshae]

20 hours ago, BruceVC said:

True, there is an obvious advantage to having a good  neighbor like with Canada 

And if Canada becomes another US state that could create unforeseen problems that dont exist

I was thinking about something else around borders, where you live in Washington state you share a border with Canada

There must hundreds of ways a person could cross into Canada through wilderness paths and old trails without  going through border control?

Is the border between your state and Canada porous like that or am I  misunderstanding this reality?

Yes it's fairly porous, but crossing the border is fairly easy with the right ID, so I'd imagine most people just do so on the roads.

[BruceVC]

8 hours ago, Malcador said:

What social problems are you referencing, specifically ?

Im just joking, Canada does have social problems like all countries but its a very  good place to live overall and is considered one of the most stable countries in the world 

When I did some research on " Canada social problems " I found this link and it includes problems that exist in almost every country and  there is  success around all these points but its ongoing

 

https://www.c2d2.ca/

• Current social issues in Canada include:
• Mental health issues
• Controversial abortion laws
• Freedom of speech
• Gambling Addiction Issues in Canada
• Family violence
• Violence against women
• Prostitution
• Social policy decisions for drugs and alcohol
• Racial discrimination and the problem of the first nations
• Issues regarding the possession of weapons
• Prohibition on possession of weapons
• Poverty in Canada
• The creeping problem of pension benefits

2 hours ago, rjshae said:

Yes it's fairly porous, but crossing the border is fairly easy with the right ID, so I'd imagine most people just do so on the roads.

Yes, I was just asking because of Trumps sensationalized rant about " Canada protecting the border from drugs " 

So I imagine most drugs from Canada are smuggled in through the official border crossings but there will be lots of unofficial ways into the US because of the geographical size and reality of the border 

 

 

[majestic]

Ah, yes, the great Canadian drug cartels and their illegal maple syrup smuggling.

[BruceVC]

41 minutes ago, majestic said:

Ah, yes, the great Canadian drug cartels and their illegal maple syrup smuggling.

It is more serious than maple syrup

The Canada border  is an entry point of drugs and other illegal goods  into the US and vice-versa , its not like  the  amounts of the  Mexican border or US  sea- port entry but it is a reality 

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/National-Northern-Border-Counter-Narcotics-2022Strategy.pdf

 

" Transnational Criminal Organizations (TCOs) operating on both sides of the United States Canada border (Northern Border) often exploit the international boundary’s vulnerabilities for illegal activities, at times in conjunction with outlaw motorcycle gangs. They smuggle illegal drugs as well as both weapons and the illicit proceeds from drug sales between the two countries. The predominate drugs trafficked across the Northern border are cocaine, which is smuggled into Canada, and MDMA (ecstasy), which is smuggled into the United States.i Though marijuana, heroin, and illicitly manufactured fentanyl are also trafficked across the Northern Border, their volume is substantially less than that which is trafficked across the Southwest Border.ii " 

 

[Malcador]

Abortion laws are controversial here? Freedom of speech as well ?

Now Trump wants to seize the Panama Canal, I guess this is meant to appeal to his base for some reason.

[uuuhhii]

5 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Abortion laws are controversial here? Freedom of speech as well ?

Now Trump wants to seize the Panama Canal, I guess this is meant to appeal to his base for some reason.

 

more naked old school colonialism would obviously appeal to authoritarian than softer neo colonialism

 

[rjshae]

On 12/23/2024 at 6:39 AM, Malcador said:

Now Trump wants to seize the Panama Canal, I guess this is meant to appeal to his base for some reason.

When you combine that with prior comments about Canada and Greenland, it seems DJT has his eyes on a "unified" North America. Or at least to the north of Mexican border. I expect that will keep his mouth busy.