rjshae Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 On 8/30/2024 at 11:46 PM, BruceVC said: Yes great idea, ban Twitter because you dont like what some people say Like these admired and prestigious bastions of freedom and human rights Is it actually free speech when a significant number of said posts come from bots? Once nobody can spot an actual human opinion, you're just polluting the discussion. 1 "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted September 27 Author Share Posted September 27 1 hour ago, rjshae said: Is it actually free speech when a significant number of said posts come from bots? Once nobody can spot an actual human opinion, you're just polluting the discussion. Thats one way Twitter is used, I question how much influence Twitter really has on peoples views outside of reaffirming confirmation bias and some people basically not bothering to do any real research on subjects and using Twiiter as a reference But Twitter is often used in third world countries as the main tool to galvanize support for protest action, it has a very positive purpose in countries where there are serious human rights infringements or issues around political and basic freedom Im not talking about Western first world countries like the USA and Canada, your freedoms are enshrined and Twitter will never get banned https://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/april-2018-july-2018/hashtag-revolution-gaining-ground "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted September 27 Author Share Posted September 27 13 hours ago, ShadySands said: A dirty NYC cop??? I never would have thought Maybe wait for the trial and see if the " dirty NYC cop " is actually dirty I really like Adams and I will be very disappointed if he is found guilty of corruption 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 I know it's satire, but dang it's funny! “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/23/tech/elon-musk-brazil-court-compliance/index.html "In the US Congress, Florida Rep. Maria Elvira Salazar, a Republican, mentioned Musk and de Moraes by name last week when she introduced legislation that would punish foreign officials who violate the First Amendment rights of Americans by denying them entry into the United States. " I guess Americans should be ok to violate other countries' hate speech laws? Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uuuhhii Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 23 minutes ago, Malcador said: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/23/tech/elon-musk-brazil-court-compliance/index.html "In the US Congress, Florida Rep. Maria Elvira Salazar, a Republican, mentioned Musk and de Moraes by name last week when she introduced legislation that would punish foreign officials who violate the First Amendment rights of Americans by denying them entry into the United States. " I guess Americans should be ok to violate other countries' hate speech laws? that sound like victorian age insanity maybe doesn't allow usa citizen to carry gun into other nation when ever they want would be considered violation of second amendment next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 I'd agree, if the hate speech laws weren't being abused. The above is almost certainly a response not to hate speech laws, per se, but the attempts to go after SM for publishing 'hate speech' that is defined primarily to suppress dissent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted September 28 Author Share Posted September 28 7 hours ago, Zoraptor said: I'd agree, if the hate speech laws weren't being abused. The above is almost certainly a response not to hate speech laws, per se, but the attempts to go after SM for publishing 'hate speech' that is defined primarily to suppress dissent. It is offensive to call a person of colour a coconut, its a thing in South Africa and many black people genuinely get offended by it even though there is a comedy act about it I just find it condescending and used in an inconsistent way like Uncle Tom. What does it even mean to be " black on the outside but white on the inside " And its used when a black person doesnt say or act in a way that is "expected " according to other black people and particularly activists But its not hate speech, its like referring to a white person as a cracker. Its offensive but that doesnt make it hate speech "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 What if I just call them nuts! 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 (edited) Just came home from voting (we have general elections). I am not looking forward to the results, which will undoubtely lead to a nationalist-conservative government. There may or may not be a time period where the conservatives are "trying" to "negotiate" with other parties only to "fail" because everyone but the Nazis were "unreasonable", and for the "sake of the country" they now need to basically swallow the "bitter pill" and form a coalition with them. For the good of the nation and stability, as it were. Which is hilarious because so far every single time the Freedom Party was part of a government, said government imploded and dissolved well before the legislative period was over. You know, basic conservative logic: better to destroy what there is than to give the plebes half a breadcrumb. Not entirely certain why the people keep electing a corrupt cadre of politicians who only look out for themselves and their own, but it probably has something to do with "rapefugees" and "civil war with knives" and whatnot. The right-wing and nationalist parties already stated that they are going to finance tax cuts by dialing back refugee support and reducing the needs-based minimum income that we have. See, the funny thing is, overall, these amount to like 2% of our budget. The tax cuts they want amount to something like eight times as much. Mind, not that you get the idea that their proposed tax cuts would benefit employees, lel. No, no, for the employees and the common people they're planning to reduce secondary labour costs. Which, you know, are something the companies pay on top of the wages. Conservative logic: both the tax cuts and reduction of labour costs will trickle down to the actual wages. Trickle down economics is something that will work if only tried often enough, yes? <Insert something witty about Einstein and the definition of insanity here> Which brings me to the glaring problem our center and left-wing parties have: they cannot for the life of them, just once, be more populistic. The people, as it were, spurred on by media, do not want to hear about how it is going to be legally impossible to repatriate Afghani citizens. They want to be told that it will be done, by breaking the law if need be. That is dangerous territory, I agree, but if you leave that path to the Nazis then there's much more danger yet to come. And just in case we're once again believing the Freedom Party that they are not Nazis because they said they're not, just now there were some high ranking Nazis singing a SS anthem at a funeral, with every party reacting to it, calling it an outrage. Except for the conservatives, who just stated that this just shows that the Freedom party's leader has contacts to right-wing extremists (no, you blathering conservative idiots, that is the party, not just the party leader - the one you already want to form a government with just so you can stop worrying about dealing with parties who want equal rights for the disgusting homos and trans people). The Freedom Party is of course not bothered by their party members attending a funeral where SS anthems are sung, no, they're bothered that a whisteblower leaked the video just before the election. One really needs to crack down on whisteblowers. Can't have that. Who films people at funerals doing what comes natural in their grief. *sigh* Edited September 29 by majestic 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 1 hour ago, majestic said: Conservative logic: both the tax cuts and reduction of labour costs will trickle down to the actual wages. Trickle down economics is something that will work if only tried often enough, yes? <Insert something witty about Einstein and the definition of insanity here> Ah yes, the urban legend of "trickle down economics". Santa is real too, really! At best it's incompetence, at worst a malicious lie https://www.uts.edu.au/news/business-law/trickle-down-economics-was-idiotic-idea https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-08-19/column-trickle-down-is-a-lie https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/it-s-time-to-demolish-the-myth-of-trickle-down-economics/ “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azdeus Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 3 hours ago, Gorth said: Ah yes, the urban legend of "trickle down economics". Santa is real too, really! At best it's incompetence, at worst a malicious lie The government here just released their budget, 60 billion SEK, 27 billion are tax cuts. They are lowering taxes on petrol and diesel, getting rid of air travel taxes, and lowering income taxes, raising the level where you start to pay state income tax, increasing the level where you start to pay tax on savings and more **** in the same vein. Iirc I'm going to get 83SEK per month on my wages, my friend that has his own store is going to get about twice what I get per year, but per month instead. He's equally furious as I am. These people that love to complain about how bad Sweden has become, apparently has forgotten or overlooked that during the "peak" they are glorifying and want to go back to, had Swedish high income earners pay up to 70% income tax... Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Oi, I even forgot to mention: to make matters worse, the Freedom Party are Friends of Putin (tm). For real, I mean, they have a pact of friendship and cooperation with United Russia (i.e. Putin's party). 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Unless you're making serious bank, supporting trickle down is a tacit admission that you're a bottom into watersports. Which not to kink shame anyone, but I'd prefer if they kept that in the bedroom (or bathroom) instead of making sure the rest of us get less and less while all the useless government(s) do is buy more bombs to kill children in ultra-precise and moral carpet bombing campaigns or give the police tanks or occasionally harass teh gheystransgoinders. 6 hours ago, majestic said: Which brings me to the glaring problem our center and left-wing parties have: they cannot for the life of them, just once, be more populistic. The people, as it were, spurred on by media, do not want to hear about how it is going to be legally impossible to repatriate Afghani citizens. They want to be told that it will be done, by breaking the law if need be. That is dangerous territory, I agree, but if you leave that path to the Nazis then there's much more danger yet to come. I do think it's ridiculous how much an anti-rich populistic approach could work in many places but doesn't because those politicians and parties are spineless cowards. Seriously, people ****ing hate their bosses, they hate their landlords, and they're pissed off they have to spend an obscene amount of money just to live when dip****s who lucked into money blow months worth of a prole's pay on an overcooked steak with gold on it or some other stupid ****. I guess we'll have to bring out the pitchforks ourselves. And I do think we really got to go after the media, because their delusional bothsides nonsense is how a bunch of people end up believing in nonsense like unprecedented crime waves or millions and millions of rapefugees coming in to eat the dogs or executing infants or even horse**** like trickle down are things worth serious debate instead of needing to be treated the same way as flat earthers. For all the braindead conservatives wail about being persecuted by the media if the bastions of journalism weren't working double time to sanitize them they'd have been relegated to the dustbin of history decades ago. 2 1 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Sweet mother of Christ. First projections are in. Keep in mind these are not exit polls but extrapolated results based on historic data and already counted votes, as such there's a 2% confidence interval left. 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 15 minutes ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said: I do think it's ridiculous how much an anti-rich populistic approach could work in many places but doesn't because those politicians and parties are spineless cowards. Seriously, people ****ing hate their bosses, they hate their landlords, and they're pissed off they have to spend an obscene amount of money just to live when dip****s who lucked into money blow months worth of a prole's pay on an overcooked steak with gold on it or some other stupid ****. I guess we'll have to bring out the pitchforks ourselves. Well, our socialists tried that, somewhat. They're the only party that wanted the return of wealth and inheritance taxes (we had those in the past), but the media and the conservative party conviced people that a 1% tax for wealth upwards of several million € will somehow affect their grandmother's life savings. Not much to say, our media is in the hands of a very few, very rich families. Exactly the ones who would have to pay up, so even the more left-leaning publications argued their best against what is basically a normal left-wing position. But that is also a failure of the socialist's inability to read the room, or the nation, as it were. It's like Dave Chapelle once said, there are topics you can worry about once you're elected. Topics that do not win elections. Like gender neutral language (I realize that is less of a thing for English speaking nations), that is just not much of a worry for a population who has to deal with the fallout of the EU's total failure to deal with the refugee crisis and with our government's complete failure to reign in energy prices. The Freedom Party promised to fix both. One by becoming like our neighbouring Goulash Putin, and the other by, well, dealing with the real one. They probably won't be able to do either of that, but hey, who cares. They can always blame the EU for whatever they cannot do. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted September 30 Author Share Posted September 30 (edited) 15 hours ago, majestic said: Sweet mother of Christ. First projections are in. Keep in mind these are not exit polls but extrapolated results based on historic data and already counted votes, as such there's a 2% confidence interval left. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rdygy5888o I must say your country is very fragmented around different political views No majority by a long way. Its not a bad outcome because it shows the strength of different political opinions, thats one of the benefits of Democracy It will be interesting to see how the coalitions are now formed and FPO will have to abandon its more controversial right-wing policies if it aligns with another more left party to become a majority? What does SPO believe in? Edited September 30 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Goddamn nazis are everywhere! Anyhow, Ive been saying it for years, we need to tax those fatcats (corporate and individual) severely if we ever want our birthrights of: UHC, UBI, UBH and UBE. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 There really are some weird dictatorships out there... mostly unknown in the west too 1 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gorth said: There really are some weird dictatorships out there... mostly unknown in the west too So Turkmenistan is a real country, I always thought it was made up by Borat like Kazakhstan? This is another example of how you can learn new things on forums Edited October 4 by BruceVC 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 (edited) On 9/30/2024 at 8:45 AM, BruceVC said: I must say your country is very fragmented around different political views How's that? FPÖ, ÖVP and NEOS have the same economic cow manure policies, they just differ on their sociopolitical axis. The NEOS are very liberal while the FPÖ is highly authoritarian, with the ÖVP being more traditional conservatives, i.e. the highly corrupt rules for thee and not for me types who would walk back social policies to the 50ies if only they could. On 9/30/2024 at 8:45 AM, BruceVC said: What does SPO believe in? Affordable housing, equal chances for everyone, good education for anyone who wants it, universal healthcare (well, we do have all that, but it could be better). The party was wildly successful in the 70ies and 80ies and with that paved the way for their own downfall in the 90ies and early 2000s. The former working class (more or less) moved towards being the middle class with non-citizens ("guest workers", as the used to be called) taking over much of the former jobs of the working class. Except, well, they cannot vote, not being citizens, and even if they could, they would be more conservatively inclined, basically the same phenomenon that you have in the US where naturalized immigrant communities overwhelmingly vote Republican at times. Nowadays they really struggle with finding a popular party line on migration issues, and in spite of being only a part of a few recent governments, they're still seen as part of the nebulous and unnamed elites that the Freedom Party is apparently against, even though their current party leader is as much of a career politician as everyone else. Hasn't earned a lick of non-taxpayer money in his life, but rages against the elites living off the state. Also, because it once again is relevant to the thread. The video has English subs, at a runtime of under two minutes that should work for everyone on the forum, even those whose brains are nigh overwhelmed with just keeping their vegatative functions going. Edited October 4 by majestic 1 2 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 The conspiracy theories or just idiocy about the Helene response shows how the Internet was a mistake. Well of course Musk helps out, apparently Starlink is critical aid. Guess he played Deus Ex recently. At least MTG is crazy as usual 1 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uuuhhii Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 so florida will be drown by storm before ocean can do the job much faster than expected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azdeus Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 22 hours ago, uuuhhii said: so florida will be drown by storm before ocean can do the job much faster than expected Well, the water in the storm is from the ocean, so to be technically correct the ocean is playing 3d chess and doing a flanking move. 2 Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 https://www.wbtv.com/2024/10/14/fema-contractors-ordered-stand-down-hotels-after-security-threats-messages-show/ People played too much Deus Ex. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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