The All Things Political Topic

[rjshae]

On 8/30/2024 at 11:46 PM, BruceVC said:

Yes  great idea,  ban Twitter  because you dont like what some  people  say 

Like these admired and prestigious bastions of  freedom and human rights 

Is it actually free speech when a significant number of said posts come from bots? Once nobody can spot an actual human opinion, you're just polluting the discussion.

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, rjshae said:

Is it actually free speech when a significant number of said posts come from bots? Once nobody can spot an actual human opinion, you're just polluting the discussion.

Thats one way Twitter is used, I question how much influence Twitter really has on peoples views outside of reaffirming confirmation bias and  some people basically not bothering to do any real research on subjects and using Twiiter as a reference 

But Twitter is often used in third world countries as the  main tool to galvanize support for protest action, it has a very positive purpose in countries where there are serious human rights infringements or issues around political and basic freedom 

Im not talking about Western first world countries like the USA and Canada, your freedoms are enshrined and Twitter will never get banned 

https://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/april-2018-july-2018/hashtag-revolution-gaining-ground

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BruceVC]

13 hours ago, ShadySands said:

A dirty NYC cop???

I never would have thought 

Maybe wait for the trial and see if  the " dirty NYC cop " is actually dirty

 

I really like Adams and I will be very disappointed if he is found  guilty of corruption 

[Gorth]

I know it's satire, but dang it's funny!

 

 

[Malcador]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/23/tech/elon-musk-brazil-court-compliance/index.html

"In the US Congress, Florida Rep. Maria Elvira Salazar, a Republican, mentioned Musk and de Moraes by name last week when she introduced legislation that would punish foreign officials who violate the First Amendment rights of Americans by denying them entry into the United States. "

I guess Americans should be ok to violate other countries' hate speech laws?

 

 

[uuuhhii]

23 minutes ago, Malcador said:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/23/tech/elon-musk-brazil-court-compliance/index.html

"In the US Congress, Florida Rep. Maria Elvira Salazar, a Republican, mentioned Musk and de Moraes by name last week when she introduced legislation that would punish foreign officials who violate the First Amendment rights of Americans by denying them entry into the United States. "

I guess Americans should be ok to violate other countries' hate speech laws?

 

 

 

that sound like victorian age insanity

maybe doesn't allow usa citizen to carry gun into other nation when ever they want would be considered violation of second amendment next

[Zoraptor]

I'd agree, if the hate speech laws weren't being abused. The above is almost certainly a response not to hate speech laws, per se, but the attempts to go after SM for publishing 'hate speech' that is defined primarily to suppress dissent.

[BruceVC]

7 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

I'd agree, if the hate speech laws weren't being abused. The above is almost certainly a response not to hate speech laws, per se, but the attempts to go after SM for publishing 'hate speech' that is defined primarily to suppress dissent.

It is offensive to  call  a  person of  colour a coconut,  its a  thing in South Africa and many black  people  genuinely get offended  by it even though there  is  a comedy act  about it

 

I just find  it condescending and used  in an inconsistent way like Uncle  Tom. What does  it even mean to be " black on the outside but white on the inside " 

 

And its  used  when a  black person  doesnt say or act  in a way that is "expected "  according to  other black people and particularly activists  

 

But its  not hate speech,  its like  referring to a white person as a   cracker.  Its offensive but that doesnt  make it hate speech

 

 

[Gorth]

What if I just call them nuts!

[majestic]

Just came home from voting (we have general elections). I am not looking forward to the results, which will undoubtely lead to a nationalist-conservative government. There may or may not be a time period where the conservatives are "trying" to "negotiate" with other parties only to "fail" because everyone but the Nazis were "unreasonable", and for the "sake of the country" they now need to basically swallow the "bitter pill" and form a coalition with them.

For the good of the nation and stability, as it were. Which is hilarious because so far every single time the Freedom Party was part of a government, said government imploded and dissolved well before the legislative period was over.

You know, basic conservative logic: better to destroy what there is than to give the plebes half a breadcrumb. Not entirely certain why the people keep electing a corrupt cadre of politicians who only look out for themselves and their own, but it probably has something to do with "rapefugees" and "civil war with knives" and whatnot. The right-wing and nationalist parties already stated that they are going to finance tax cuts by dialing back refugee support and reducing the needs-based minimum income that we have. See, the funny thing is, overall, these amount to like 2% of our budget. The tax cuts they want amount to something like eight times as much. Mind, not that you get the idea that their proposed tax cuts would benefit employees, lel. No, no, for the employees and the common people they're planning to reduce secondary labour costs. Which, you know, are something the companies pay on top of the wages.

Conservative logic: both the tax cuts and reduction of labour costs will trickle down to the actual wages. Trickle down economics is something that will work if only tried often enough, yes? <Insert something witty about Einstein and the definition of insanity here>

Which brings me to the glaring problem our center and left-wing parties have: they cannot for the life of them, just once, be more populistic. The people, as it were, spurred on by media, do not want to hear about how it is going to be legally impossible to repatriate Afghani citizens. They want to be told that it will be done, by breaking the law if need be. That is dangerous territory, I agree, but if you leave that path to the Nazis then there's much more danger yet to come.

And just in case we're once again believing the Freedom Party that they are not Nazis because they said they're not, just now there were some high ranking Nazis singing a SS anthem at a funeral, with every party reacting to it, calling it an outrage. Except for the conservatives, who just stated that this just shows that the Freedom party's leader has contacts to right-wing extremists (no, you blathering conservative idiots, that is the party, not just the party leader - the one you already want to form a government with just so you can stop worrying about dealing with parties who want equal rights for the disgusting homos and trans people). The Freedom Party is of course not bothered by their party members attending a funeral where SS anthems are sung, no, they're bothered that a whisteblower leaked the video just before the election. One really needs to crack down on whisteblowers. Can't have that. Who films people at funerals doing what comes natural in their grief.

*sigh*

Edited September 29 by majestic

[Gorth]

1 hour ago, majestic said:

Conservative logic: both the tax cuts and reduction of labour costs will trickle down to the actual wages. Trickle down economics is something that will work if only tried often enough, yes? <Insert something witty about Einstein and the definition of insanity here>

 

Ah yes, the urban legend of "trickle down economics". Santa is real too, really!

At best it's incompetence, at worst a malicious lie

https://www.uts.edu.au/news/business-law/trickle-down-economics-was-idiotic-idea

 

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-08-19/column-trickle-down-is-a-lie

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/it-s-time-to-demolish-the-myth-of-trickle-down-economics/

 

 

[Azdeus]

3 hours ago, Gorth said:

 

Ah yes, the urban legend of "trickle down economics". Santa is real too, really!

At best it's incompetence, at worst a malicious lie

The government here just released their budget, 60 billion SEK, 27 billion are tax cuts. They are lowering taxes on petrol and diesel, getting rid of air travel taxes, and lowering income taxes, raising the level where you start to pay state income tax, increasing the level where you start to pay tax on savings and more **** in the same vein. Iirc I'm going to get 83SEK per month on my wages, my friend that has his own store is going to get about twice what I get per year, but per month instead. He's equally furious as I am.

These people that love to complain about how bad Sweden has become, apparently has forgotten or overlooked that during the "peak" they are glorifying and want to go back to, had Swedish high income earners pay up to 70% income tax...

[majestic]

Oi, I even forgot to mention: to make matters worse, the Freedom Party are Friends of Putin (tm). For real, I mean, they have a pact of friendship and cooperation with United Russia (i.e. Putin's party).

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Unless you're making serious bank, supporting trickle down is a tacit admission that you're a bottom into watersports. Which not to kink shame anyone, but I'd prefer if they kept that in the bedroom (or bathroom) instead of making sure the rest of us get less and less while all the useless government(s) do is buy more bombs to kill children in ultra-precise and moral carpet bombing campaigns or give the police tanks or occasionally harass teh gheystransgoinders.

6 hours ago, majestic said:

Which brings me to the glaring problem our center and left-wing parties have: they cannot for the life of them, just once, be more populistic. The people, as it were, spurred on by media, do not want to hear about how it is going to be legally impossible to repatriate Afghani citizens. They want to be told that it will be done, by breaking the law if need be. That is dangerous territory, I agree, but if you leave that path to the Nazis then there's much more danger yet to come.

I do think it's ridiculous how much an anti-rich populistic approach could work in many places but doesn't because those politicians and parties are spineless cowards. Seriously, people ****ing hate their bosses, they hate their landlords, and they're pissed off they have to spend an obscene amount of money just to live when dip****s who lucked into money blow months worth of a prole's pay on an overcooked steak with gold on it or some other stupid ****. I guess we'll have to bring out the pitchforks ourselves.

And I do think we really got to go after the media, because their delusional bothsides nonsense is how a bunch of people end up believing in nonsense like unprecedented crime waves or millions and millions of rapefugees coming in to eat the dogs or executing infants or even horse**** like trickle down are things worth serious debate instead of needing to be treated the same way as flat earthers. For all the braindead conservatives wail about being persecuted by the media if the bastions of journalism weren't working double time to sanitize them they'd have been relegated to the dustbin of history decades ago.

[majestic]

Sweet mother of Christ. First projections are in. Keep in mind these are not exit polls but extrapolated results based on historic data and already counted votes, as such there's a 2% confidence interval left.

 

[majestic]

15 minutes ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said:

I do think it's ridiculous how much an anti-rich populistic approach could work in many places but doesn't because those politicians and parties are spineless cowards. Seriously, people ****ing hate their bosses, they hate their landlords, and they're pissed off they have to spend an obscene amount of money just to live when dip****s who lucked into money blow months worth of a prole's pay on an overcooked steak with gold on it or some other stupid ****. I guess we'll have to bring out the pitchforks ourselves.

Well, our socialists tried that, somewhat. They're the only party that wanted the return of wealth and inheritance taxes (we had those in the past), but the media and the conservative party conviced people that a 1% tax for wealth upwards of several million € will somehow affect their grandmother's life savings. Not much to say, our media is in the hands of a very few, very rich families. Exactly the ones who would have to pay up, so even the more left-leaning publications argued their best against what is basically a normal left-wing position.

But that is also a failure of the socialist's inability to read the room, or the nation, as it were. It's like Dave Chapelle once said, there are topics you can worry about once you're elected. Topics that do not win elections. Like gender neutral language (I realize that is less of a thing for English speaking nations), that is just not much of a worry for a population who has to deal with the fallout of the EU's total failure to deal with the refugee crisis and with our government's complete failure to reign in energy prices.

The Freedom Party promised to fix both. One by becoming like our neighbouring Goulash Putin, and the other by, well, dealing with the real one. They probably won't be able to do either of that, but hey, who cares. They can always blame the EU for whatever they cannot do.

[BruceVC]

15 hours ago, majestic said:

Sweet mother of Christ. First projections are in. Keep in mind these are not exit polls but extrapolated results based on historic data and already counted votes, as such there's a 2% confidence interval left.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rdygy5888o

I must say your  country is very fragmented around different political views

No majority by a long way. Its  not a  bad outcome because it shows the strength of different political opinions, thats one of the benefits of Democracy

It will be interesting to see how the coalitions are now formed and FPO will have to abandon its more controversial right-wing  policies if it aligns with another more left party to become a majority?

What does SPO believe in?

 

 

Edited September 30 by BruceVC

[Gfted1]

Goddamn nazis are everywhere!

Anyhow, Ive been saying it for years, we need to tax those fatcats (corporate and individual) severely if we ever want our birthrights of: UHC, UBI, UBH and UBE.  

[Gorth]

There really are some weird dictatorships out there... mostly unknown in the west too

 

[BruceVC]

3 hours ago, Gorth said:

There really are some weird dictatorships out there... mostly unknown in the west too

 

So Turkmenistan  is a real country, I always  thought it  was made up by Borat like Kazakhstan?

This is  another example of how you can learn new things on forums 

 

Edited October 4 by BruceVC

[majestic]

On 9/30/2024 at 8:45 AM, BruceVC said:

I must say your  country is very fragmented around different political views

How's that? FPÖ, ÖVP and NEOS have the same economic cow manure policies, they just differ on their sociopolitical axis. The NEOS are very liberal while the FPÖ is highly authoritarian, with the ÖVP being more traditional conservatives, i.e. the highly corrupt rules for thee and not for me types who would walk back social policies to the 50ies if only they could.  

On 9/30/2024 at 8:45 AM, BruceVC said:

What does SPO believe in?

Affordable housing, equal chances for everyone, good education for anyone who wants it, universal healthcare (well, we do have all that, but it could be better). The party was wildly successful in the 70ies and 80ies and with that paved the way for their own downfall in the 90ies and early 2000s. The former working class (more or less) moved towards being the middle class with non-citizens ("guest workers", as the used to be called) taking over much of the former jobs of the working class. Except, well, they cannot vote, not being citizens, and even if they could, they would be more conservatively inclined, basically the same phenomenon that you have in the US where naturalized immigrant communities overwhelmingly vote Republican at times.

Nowadays they really struggle with finding a popular party line on migration issues, and in spite of being only a part of a few recent governments, they're still seen as part of the nebulous and unnamed elites that the Freedom Party is apparently against, even though their current party leader is as much of a career politician as everyone else. Hasn't earned a lick of non-taxpayer money in his life, but rages against the elites living off the state.

Also, because it once again is relevant to the thread. The video has English subs, at a runtime of under two minutes that should work for everyone on the forum, even those whose brains are nigh overwhelmed with just keeping their vegatative functions going.

 

Edited October 4 by majestic

[Malcador]

The conspiracy theories or just idiocy about the Helene response shows how the Internet was a mistake.  Well of course Musk helps out, apparently Starlink is critical aid. Guess he played Deus Ex recently.

At least MTG is crazy as usual

 

 

 

 

[uuuhhii]

so florida will be drown by storm before ocean can do the job

much faster than expected

[Azdeus]

22 hours ago, uuuhhii said:

so florida will be drown by storm before ocean can do the job

much faster than expected

Well, the water in the storm is from the ocean, so to be technically correct the ocean is playing 3d chess and doing a flanking move.

[Malcador]

https://www.wbtv.com/2024/10/14/fema-contractors-ordered-stand-down-hotels-after-security-threats-messages-show/

 

People played too much Deus Ex.