HoonDing Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 Remember when there was big bruhaha about IDF flooding those tunnels? And after that... silence. Sinwar was killed then, along with most of the hostages. The rest was bombed by IDF. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugarup Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 17 hours ago, Zoraptor said: One of those things you're not meant to remember: Sinwar was supposed to have all the remaining hostages around him as human shields. Strange they haven't mentioned finding any. (He's very likely dead, but also very likely killed ages ago and not in the situation suggested. It's exactly the sort of thing you save up for a PR release when you've had a bad week of publicity) I read that those liquidated pieces of sh†t had large sums of money and fake documents, possibly trying to cross into Egypt, which would be hard to do when surrounded by human shields, and read a version that its six shields were murdered some time earlier. Also, if Israel wanted some sort of spectacle of poetic justice, wouldn't it make more sense to do it closer to October 7? Either way, good riddance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-leader-yahya-sinwar-killed-2024-10-18/ Hamas has admitted he is dead and was killed in combat No need for the jokes around " him being killed ages ago and kept frozen" This is a depressing thread and the injection of humour is appreciated but lets focus on the reality of the war "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 22 hours ago, melkathi said: Honestly, if you massacre every living being Who told you the IDF's ultimate plan ? Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melkathi Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 37 minutes ago, Malcador said: Who told you the IDF's ultimate plan ? I am clever; I simply ignore every idiotic thing Mat Miller and the list guy say. All that is left is "the Plan" Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melkathi Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 1 hour ago, BruceVC said: lets focus on the reality of the war You have to appreciate the irony. Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted October 18 Author Share Posted October 18 I mean, it's typical Bruce, not really designed to do anything other than provoke a response. FTR, you don't need to freeze a body to preserve it anyway, and you don't need the body at all if you plan to identify it by dental records and DNA. Guess quoting what that UN resolution actually said hit a bit of a nerve though. 5 hours ago, bugarup said: I read that those liquidated pieces of sh†t had large sums of money and fake documents, possibly trying to cross into Egypt, which would be hard to do when surrounded by human shields, and read a version that its six shields were murdered some time earlier. Also, if Israel wanted some sort of spectacle of poetic justice, wouldn't it make more sense to do it closer to October 7? Either way, good riddance. Same as we read he was keeping all the hostages around him as human shields? Right? It's called propaganda*. ie Guy who clearly had multiple opportunities to flee previous was going to flee right now, for real. But, of course, we got him before he actually did it! Not even what he actually did is enough, have to make him a coward too. I do sometimes wonder if the people who come up with this stuff think about things for even a second. Quite apart from having had Danny Hagari waving a calendar around as a 'terrorist guard roster' like a dime store Mohammed Sahed al Sahif so devaluing any official claims by Israel (let alone the plethora of 'official Hamas documents' inexplicably written in, uh, english) the idea that Sinwar should go off to the local occupation authority (ie Israel) to get an official border pass is... an interesting one. *this happens all the time. People also said Yasser Arafat was embezzling massive amounts of money to spend on his palatial residence. Which for three+ years consisted of a single room without electricity in a demolished compound in Ramallah that he could have left at any time to go into exile to an actually palatial residence; he'd just never be able to go back to Palestine again. Made literally no sense if you knew the slightest thing about the situation, got repeated ad nauseum because it made some people feel morally justified about killing people and stealing their land) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted October 20 Author Share Posted October 20 Leaked (or 'leaked') intelligence on Israel's plans to attack Iran. Few days old and not exactly confirmed, but consensus now seems to be that it's genuine with the main question being how deliberate the leak was, and what the motivations behind it were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c704w7d3997o The long awaited Israeli response to Iran but it was a measured response and what the US wanted on military targets and not targeting energy or nuclear targets The "war ball " is now back in Irans court or at least until after the US election because I cant imagine Israel escalating its bombing campaigns without US support and only Trump will provide that "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 1 hour ago, BruceVC said: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c704w7d3997o The long awaited Israeli response to Iran but it was a measured response and what the US wanted on military targets and not targeting energy or nuclear targets The "war ball " is now back in Irans court or at least until after the US election because I cant imagine Israel escalating its bombing campaigns without US support and only Trump will provide that Well that article doesn't actually say. I would be a little surprised that Israeli didn't use this opportunity to go after Iran's underground nuclear weapon program. "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 20 minutes ago, rjshae said: Well that article doesn't actually say. I would be a little surprised that Israeli didn't use this opportunity to go after Iran's underground nuclear weapon program. There are multiple articles about the Israeli response being targeted and specifically not about energy and nuclear sites https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-iran-strike-retaliation-live-updates-rcna177303 Israel confirmed that it had launched "precise strikes on military targets in Iran" early Saturday local time. The Israel Defense Forces said the strikes were in response to "months of continuous attacks" from Iran. On Oct. 1, Iran launched nearly 200 ballistic missiles at Israel. The initial strikes appear limited to military sites and not Iranian nuclear facilities or oil fields, sources say. Because that would be seen as ramping up the escalation and then Iran feels compelled to respond but military targets are considered "acceptable " And this was what the US was expecting Israel to do if it retaliated after the Ballistic missile attack "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 8 hours ago, BruceVC said: There are multiple articles about the Israeli response being targeted and specifically not about energy and nuclear sites https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-iran-strike-retaliation-live-updates-rcna177303 Israel confirmed that it had launched "precise strikes on military targets in Iran" early Saturday local time. The Israel Defense Forces said the strikes were in response to "months of continuous attacks" from Iran. On Oct. 1, Iran launched nearly 200 ballistic missiles at Israel. The initial strikes appear limited to military sites and not Iranian nuclear facilities or oil fields, sources say. Because that would be seen as ramping up the escalation and then Iran feels compelled to respond but military targets are considered "acceptable " And this was what the US was expecting Israel to do if it retaliated after the Ballistic missile attack Well I suppose it has the psychological effect of implying further escallation if Iran inflicts a massive retaliation. Seriously, I'm not sure how wars ever end in that region. Maybe they don't. 1 "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 30 minutes ago, rjshae said: Well I suppose it has the psychological effect of implying further escallation if Iran inflicts a massive retaliation. Seriously, I'm not sure how wars ever end in that region. Maybe they don't. I agree, the ME over the last 25 years has definitely been the most overall unstable and violent region on earth. The Israeli vs Palestinian conflict is just one aspect of conflict but you had the Arab Spring, Shia vs Sunni tension and then sectarian conflicts and Islamic extremism and then the US Iraq invasion in 2003 added to the chaos But then you find stable and prosperous countries like the Gulf States and you can live and work there. Almost no crime or outcomes of poverty that you find in many countries like South Africa or many Western countries But going back to the Israeli response , I think Israel had to respond after the Ballistic attack but not in a way that would force Iran to respond heavily which is why they were selective around military targets only and yes it was also psychological I also think Israel is waiting for the US election outcomes. Because Netanyahu wants Trump to win because then he will be guaranteed US support around any military decision Israel takes The Dems have lines and decisions they wont support Israel on What did surprise me is I was always under the impression that Iran had effective anti-aircraft defenses. I always assumed Iran would be able to shootdown some aircraft if they were attacked? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted Thursday at 07:26 AM Share Posted Thursday at 07:26 AM https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-826921 There could be an end to the conflict in Lebanon, I dont think Hezbollah is the same as Hamas with the whole " to the last Palestinian", most Lebanese and the Lebanese government never wanted a war with Israel "Despite Hezbollah’s declarations throughout the war, the terrorist organization has agreed to drop its demands and is ready to withdraw beyond the Litani River, Lebanon's MTV website, which is associated with Hezbollah opponents, reported Wednesday night. The report indicated that Hezbollah agreed to establish a demilitarized zone, with all its weapons to be moved beyond the river. It was also claimed that Hezbollah no longer insists on being directly connected to events in Gaza. MTV Lebanon noted that a three-day ceasefire draft is being discussed in Lebanon, and American officials are expected to present it to Israel in the coming days. It was also noted that Amos Hochstein, Biden's envoy to the region, told Lebanese Prime Minister Najib Mikati that he sensed a change in Netanyahu's position, which gave him hope regarding the contacts. " "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Also gorgon Posted Thursday at 08:21 PM Share Posted Thursday at 08:21 PM The Israeli ground offensive is also stalled. Maybe both parties are looking for a way to back out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted Thursday at 11:36 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 11:36 PM (edited) I'd be skeptical of anything reported in the Israeli press, based on something claimed by a TV company run by a prominent Phalangist family. Funny thing, Hezbollah people have this really weird tendency to talk to Israeli and non Shia Lebanese media and say exactly what said media wants them to say. It's almost like they aren't actually talking to real Hezbollah people... And for anyone wondering, yes, the Lebanese Phalange named themselves and modeled themselves after Franco's Spanish Falange, and are, literally literally, fascists who want to Make Lebanon Christian Again. Which is why they got on so well with Begin and Shamir's Israel. They were responsible- along with another former Israeli PM, Ariel Sharon, and the IDF- for the judicially proven to be genocidal Sabra and Shatila massacre, among many other atrocities. Far from alone in perpetuating atrocities of course, but theirs tended to be the largest and most memorable ones targeting civilians. Though as with their moral compatriots Al Qaeda in Syria they prefer to be known by a different name now, so as not to offend tender western sensibilities (--> 'Kataeb'). Edited Thursday at 11:39 PM by Zoraptor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted Friday at 06:24 AM Share Posted Friday at 06:24 AM 9 hours ago, Also gorgon said: The Israeli ground offensive is also stalled. Maybe both parties are looking for a way to back out. I think thats a definite consideration, Israel doesnt have endless resources or public appetite for war in Lebanon without some sort of achievable goals If Hezbollah agrees to stop firing rockets and withdraws from the southern Lebanon region Im sure Netanyahu will take that and claim it as a " win" ...until the next time The US elections are nearly over and that will play a huge part in how Israel addresses Iran, I cant imagine they can fight ongoing wars in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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