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For anyone wondering, Israel has defensively launched about 4 times as many attacks into Lebanon as Hezbollah has into Israel. That's not just according to Al Jazeera, but also the BBC.

23 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Maybe they'll carve a piece of Lebanon out after, heh, as per rules based order

Israel's already tried to grab a buffer zone in Lebanon multiple times. Got driven out in 2000 with tail well and truly between legs. Would be a lot more difficult now as they could rely on having some support from the SLA then, but they're all dead (as traitors, even their fellow Christians hated them as Quislings, or in Israel) and even the Kataeb/ Phalange fascists Sharon got to do the Sabra and Shatila massacre hate them now. And then there was 2006... Far better to sit back and blow up civilians with impunity while Starmer, Scholtz and Genocide Joe feign concern and wonder why the rest of the world thinks they're gigantic hypocrites.

Funniest Hasbara take is that there are Lebanese cheering Israel on. The lasting effect of Israel's intervention in the Lebanese CW is that everyone hates them there when previous they at least had some sympathy from some of the Christians. Some, like the aforementioned Kataeb, just hate Hezbollah too.

 

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7 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

For anyone wondering, Israel has defensively launched about 4 times as many attacks into Lebanon as Hezbollah has into Israel. That's not just according to Al Jazeera, but also the BBC.

 

 

That doesnt change the reality that  no  country would accept rockets  being fired  into its  territory  or  that  large parts of Israel have been evacuated because of these  attacks  

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/09/27/displaced-israelis-in-jerusalem-applaud-ongoing-offensive-in-lebanon_6727481_4.html

And if  Hezbollah  was  not  firing rockers into Israel then Israel  would  not be involved in  this latest military campaign into Lebanon

You cant objectively ignore  the direct responsibility that Hezbollah  has  around  this escalation 

 

 

 

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Bruce will cheer on any annexation.

Nasrallah is confirmed to be dead. Hezbollah seems impotent, maybe Israel will try to enact regime change in Lebanon?

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Well, if we accept the tit for tat logic and say what Isr@hell does is OK, then carpet bombing Telaviv would be fine.

After all, the Mossad, IDF and their political leadership are hiding among civilians. A lot of israelis are armed and even have panic rooms (what normal civilian has one of those?) and isn't pretty much every adult a reservist anyway?

But the pro-genocide hollowborn only apply that reasoning one way.

 

No morals, no soul, no point arguing with them.

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1 hour ago, Malcador said:

Bruce will cheer on any annexation.

Nasrallah is confirmed to be dead. Hezbollah seems impotent, maybe Israel will try to enact regime change in Lebanon?

No I  wouldnt  support that, I dont support  the building of illegal settlements in Palestinian land  either 

But I do support  the right of  Israel  to  exist and not have  rockets  fired   into it 

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Wonder if they'll go after Iran next. Iranians better get nukes ASAP.

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51 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Wonder if they'll go after Iran next. Iranians better get nukes ASAP.

Thats one of the reasons Iran has been so muted IMO, they worried if  they go to  war with Israel there nuclear program facilities will be destroyed

But do you really want Iran getting nukes and that type of arms race and  escalation in the ME?

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Israel having their mad dog act backfire like that would make me laugh, to be fair. 

 

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https://www.npr.org/2024/09/30/nx-s1-5133463/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-invasion

Israel has started  a land invasion\limited raids into Lebanon with an understandable objective of getting Hezbollah to stop firing rockets into Israel

The interesting part of this land invasion is what are the achievable end goals, the last Israeli invasion into Lebanon in 2006 didnt go as planned for Israel and they underestimated Hezbollah's resistance

This time I assume they will push back or kill any Hezbollah military presence in southern Lebanon so its harder to fire missiles 

But then what? I cant imagine Israel occupying southern Lebanon so will it be a more effective and committed  UNSC mission or the  Lebanese army that ensures Hezbollah doesnt come back in 10 years?

The sustainability of the end goal is the biggest question and unknown part of this Israeli campaign 

 

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Hilarious bias in the poster aside, remarkable footage.

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4 hours ago, Sarex said:

So what happens now... Will be interesting to see how the US reacts to Iran bombing Israel.

I'm sure we'll deescalate by sending Israel another $10B worth of bombs to use on civilians.

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11 minutes ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said:

I'm sure we'll deescalate by sending Israel another $10B worth of bombs to use on civilians.

Deescalation by escalation 🙄 ****ing numpties

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37 minutes ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said:

I'm sure we'll deescalate by sending Israel another $10B worth of bombs to use on civilians.

You mean defend Israel's very existence.  Seems that applies to literally anything.

 

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If the US didn't send $10bn of bombs to hit civilians Israel would be forced- forced!- to use dumb bombs and nukes(!) instead and kill even more civilians; so it's not only deescalatory it's also in keeping with the highest ideals of humanitarianism! Is an argument I have quite literally seen used. I'd like to think it was ironic...

Realistically, what is happening was always going to happen as soon as it became clear the US wasn't willing to do anything at all to rein in Netanyahu beyond the mildest of mild verbal requests, and would instead support them in anything and everything.

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7 hours ago, Gfted1 said:

Wild watching all those missiles rain down unchecked.

Some were shot down.

9 hours ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said:

I'm sure we'll deescalate by sending Israel another $10B worth of bombs to use on civilians.

I was more thinking if the US will attack Iran. Three years ago I would have said it was far fetched, but now...

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I watched an interesting interview with Bennett, former Israeli PM, and he suggested this attack on Israel is the justifiable opportunity to attack Iran and destroy and its nuclear program

It does make some sense on certain levels but its a serious military objective and then the US would have to get involved and Im not sure how much appetite there is for that type of involvement from US under a Biden presidency. If Trump was president US support would be much more likely

Because we dont want Iran getting nukes and Bennett's basically saying this is now the time to act against Iran and its nuclear program?

 

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https://www.axios.com/2024/10/02/iran-israel-missile-attacks-response

Going to hit oil facilities. Wonder how Iran will respond to that.

28 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Because we dont want Iran getting nukes

Would that really be bad for us? Pakistan has them, and that country is a basketcase.

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8 minutes ago, Malcador said:

https://www.axios.com/2024/10/02/iran-israel-missile-attacks-response

Going to hit oil facilities. Wonder how Iran will respond to that.

Would that really be bad for us? Pakistan has them, and that country is a basketcase.

Yes I firmly believe Iran having nukes would make the ME much more unstable under the threat of nuclear war and then the Sunni states would also want them

So you would now see a nuclear arms race in the ME amongst several Arab countries 

Israel has nukes but they dont threaten to use them because they deny having them. Israel has nukes as a doomsday response if they ever nuked. They dont need nukes to fight wars or defend themselves 

I can guarantee you the moment Iran gets nukes they would threaten to use them like NK or Russia

And how would Iran getting nukes resolve the Israeli vs Palestinian conflict? Are we more likely to see a  2 state solution because Iran has nukes?

 

 

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"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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