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[majestic]

22 minutes ago, Lexx said:

Wtf is going on. Serbian special forces have entered Kosovo.

Problems with license plates. #balkanthings

[Malcador]

Doesn't really seem to be anything serious.  NATO still has troops there anyway.

 

[Sarex]

52 minutes ago, Lexx said:

Wtf is going on. Serbian special forces have entered Kosovo.

Hmm, I thought it was our military already rolling in, at least according to the albanians.

14 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Doesn't really seem to be anything serious.  NATO still has troops there anyway.

The problem is that the NATO troops are pretty passive to anything the albanians do. They constantly break the rules and harass the local populace with their "special" police. If things come to serious blows on the blockade it could spiral out of control.

28 minutes ago, majestic said:

Problems with license plates. #balkanthings

Problem with them trying to force our hand. They keep escalating the things they do and the west really pushing hard to finish the question of Kosovo before the conflict in Ukraine ends.

 

Also I am laughing my ass off at the Ukrainian ambassador saying that Ukranian troops will defend Kosovo from Serbia.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Sarex

[Malcador]

23 minutes ago, Sarex said:

Also I am laughing my ass off at the Ukrainian ambassador saying that Ukranian troops will defend Kosovo from Serbia.

This was funny as well

As I said, Serbia's just waiting until the EU donates all their weaponry to Ukraine....

[Sarex]

Although it's interesting to see that this time it's getting so much attention in the western media. There where a couple of similar incidents in the past year or so and it didn't get this much press.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Sarex

[Malcador]

Serbs will be bombed some other time, it seems.

 

[Gorth]

4 hours ago, Sarex said:

Also I am laughing my ass off at the Ukrainian ambassador saying that Ukranian troops will defend Kosovo from Serbia.

That's the equivalent of promising to defend Florida if it gets invaded by the USA

[Gorth]

3 hours ago, Sarex said:

Although it's interesting to see that this time it's getting so much attention in the western media. There where a couple of similar incidents in the past year or so and it didn't get this much press.

All the spare HIMARS, NLAWS and tanks have been sent to Ukraine. Nothing left to send to the Albanians in Kosovo... so they better play nice for a while.

[Gromnir]

18 hours ago, Lexx said:

Wtf is going on. Serbian special forces have entered Kosovo.

short answer

"On Sunday, a ruling party member of Serbia’s parliament even tweeted that Serbia may “also be forced to begin the denazification of the Balkans,” invoking the same spurious framing through which Putin justified his invasion of Ukraine."

*shrug*

sock puppets.

HA! Good Fun!

 

[BruceVC]

It looks like Serbia is provoking NATO,  Im worried we may see another Bosnia\Kosovo V2.0 ?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tensions-between-kosovo-and-serbia-why-nato-is-prepared-to-intervene/ar-AA10bEzN

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by BruceVC

[Malcador]

2 hours ago, BruceVC said:

It looks like Serbia is provoking NATO,  Im worried we may see another Bosnia\Kosovo V2.0 ?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tensions-between-kosovo-and-serbia-why-nato-is-prepared-to-intervene/ar-AA10bEzN

 

What's for you to worry about ? Serbia can't deal with NATO, enemies of the West will be cut down.

This was an interesting breakdown (albeit on Twitter) as well

 

[BruceVC]

9 minutes ago, Malcador said:

What's for you to worry about ? Serbia can't deal with NATO, enemies of the West will be cut down.

This was an interesting breakdown (albeit on Twitter) as well

 

Is Serbia an enemy of the West? Russia is but Serbia will have to decide its future on its foreign policy decisions and what happens in Kosovo will influence that 

I dont want to see another Bosnia\Kosovo V2.0

[Sarex]

3 hours ago, Gromnir said:

short answer

"On Sunday, a ruling party member of Serbia’s parliament even tweeted that Serbia may “also be forced to begin the denazification of the Balkans,” invoking the same spurious framing through which Putin justified his invasion of Ukraine."

*shrug*

sock puppets.

HA! Good Fun!

 

Hur dur evil Serbs, ethnic cleansing is bad unless it is happening to Serbs.

Also I can find worse things that your current and previous presidents said let alone some small time idiot politicians hunting for publicity. He also very quickly issued an apology.

As a side note Croatian politicians are openly denying war crimes committed in WW2 and glorifying ustase. No peep from the EU on any of that.

7 minutes ago, Malcador said:

This was an interesting breakdown (albeit on Twitter) as well

I mean what she is saying is part of the truth very obviously leaning to the Albanian side. I will again say that Serbia has honored all the points from the Brussels Agreement while the albanians have honored none. Also I find it pretty funny how she is trying to paint Serbia as powerless, but every time they try to provoke and the people gather to fight back they quickly back down.

[Gromnir]

am gonna take "whataboutism" for $800, alex.

HA! Good Fun!

[Malcador]

21 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Is Serbia an enemy of the West? Russia is but Serbia will have to decide its future on its foreign policy decisions and what happens in Kosovo will influence that 

I dont want to see another Bosnia\Kosovo V2.0

Well, if the Serbs act up and NATO, sorry, KFOR steps in a bombs them into submission, they are an enemy of the West.  You'll cheer that on.  Also, the Ukrainian MP above called them Putin's trojan horse, after all, and their politicians' word is gospel

Definitely not in anyone's interest to have shooting erupt there, just a distraction from Ukraine and not like they need another war for domestic distraction or something.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Malcador

[Malcador]

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/01/sources-u-s-kills-al-qaeda-leader-ayman-al-zawahri-in-drone-strike-00049089

 Not sure there'll be dancing in NY over this.

[rjshae]

Monkeypox. It's like chickenpox, only racist. Because it has monkeys in the name? Apparently.

[Gorth]

1 hour ago, rjshae said:

Monkeypox. It's like chickenpox, only racist. Because it has monkeys in the name? Apparently.

In Grandfather Nurgle's eyes, they are all beautiful

[BruceVC]

4 hours ago, rjshae said:

Monkeypox. It's like chickenpox, only racist. Because it has monkeys in the name? Apparently.

As I sometimes mention never underestimate the lengths the race card gets played in our societies. The reason some black people say its racist is because the word monkey is used in some countries as a derogatory word to describe black people. But its not in all countries which makes the argument weak and unconvincing. Im not sure how that would have anything to do with how all human beings can get any disease or virus irrespective of race

Do you know whats really racist, the Spanish Flu !!!! Spainish people should be outraged 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/08/01/1113908154/critics-say-monkeypox-is-a-racist-name-but-its-not-going-away-anytime-soon

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by BruceVC

[Chairchucker]

2 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Do you know whats really racist, the Spanish Flu !!!! Spainish people should be outraged

As I understand it, yes, it was racist, and Spain probably was a bit annoyed that they were scapegoated for a strain of influenza that was first observed in Kansas.

With regards to monkeypox, I have seen it suggested that the actual racist thing about it is that it got very little media attention when it was largely confined to Africa.

[Chairchucker]

On 7/30/2022 at 11:18 PM, BruceVC said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/pa-teacher-suspended-after-jan-6-fired-for-not-working/

I have just watched this development  on CNN and I really think this teacher has been badly treated

He attended some of the 6 January rallies  but he was not involved in violence at all and was 1 mile away from the Capital. He was fired for not coming back to work because he wanted a public apology from the school board, to quote 

"Speaking to the board Thursday, Moorehead said the board fed the community lies. He said he was never a part of the violence on Jan. 6, but that the school board painted him as an "active participant in the riots."

"When the district finally admitted to me privately that I had done nothing wrong and that I could return, they refused to let the community know that I am safe, to alleviate both their fears and my fears about returning," he said. "I'm being fired for refusing to come to a place that is unsafe, a situation you guys created."

This is a good example of unfair targeting of Conservatives in the US. A person should be able to attend a rally without being vilified and slandered by the radical left

@Hurlshot Im sure  you going to be equally upset by this, imagine how you would feel if someone started a rumor at your school, that was believed, that when you go to Vegas you indulge in drug and hooker parties?

The school board should have publicly clarified that he was not involved in any criminality  on 6 January

Culture Wars strikes again 

The article doesn't provide a lot of details; the gentleman claims that the board fed the community lies. I found a separate article where he accuses the board of calling him an 'active participant in the riots'. If this is true and they did that, he might have a defamation case, but probs not a wrongful termination case since they eventually determined that he was in fact in breach of their social media policy, and had also declined to return to work, even though they indicated he would be reassigned elsewhere.

I guess part of me also is glad someone dumb enough to participate in a 'stop the steal' rally is no longer teaching kids, too. (Although maybe, as suggested, he'll land a job in Florida or Texas or some other bastion of wilful ignorance.)

[BruceVC]

32 minutes ago, Chairchucker said:

As I understand it, yes, it was racist, and Spain probably was a bit annoyed that they were scapegoated for a strain of influenza that was first observed in Kansas.

With regards to monkeypox, I have seen it suggested that the actual racist thing about it is that it got very little media attention when it was largely confined to Africa.

No thats not accurate, monkeypox origin is Africa and its been around since the 1960's and it is well known to epidemiologists  and virologists who study viruses 

There are lots of diseases that none of us know about because they  haven't been experienced in our country so when monkeypox started being seen in Europe and US the Western  media would naturally report on it because its a real disease

After Corona  and the fact we live in a globally connected world I would think that any argument that a diseases is unique to an area is moot when that disease starts spreading 

The most important point is not creating outrage about a name that is 70 years old but rather how do we treat it and how infectious is it 

[BruceVC]

36 minutes ago, Chairchucker said:

The article doesn't provide a lot of details; the gentleman claims that the board fed the community lies. I found a separate article where he accuses the board of calling him an 'active participant in the riots'. If this is true and they did that, he might have a defamation case, but probs not a wrongful termination case since they eventually determined that he was in fact in breach of their social media policy, and had also declined to return to work, even though they indicated he would be reassigned elsewhere.

I guess part of me also is glad someone dumb enough to participate in a 'stop the steal' rally is no longer teaching kids, too. (Although maybe, as suggested, he'll land a job in Florida or Texas or some other bastion of wilful ignorance.)

But people have a right to protest peacefully. Are you suggesting we start shutting down  or penalizing protesters  because we dont like the theme or message of the protest?

[Zoraptor]

2 hours ago, Chairchucker said:

With regards to monkeypox, I have seen it suggested that the actual racist thing about it is that it got very little media attention when it was largely confined to Africa.

I wish they'd get outraged over Malaria then. At least Monkeypox is low infectivity and has a vaccine already (bonus, since it's the smallpox one we'll get to see antivaxxers' heads explode if it's brought back). It's still 200 million cases and 700k deaths from Malaria each and every year, but it's barely mentioned.

[Chairchucker]

3 hours ago, BruceVC said:

But people have a right to protest peacefully. Are you suggesting we start shutting down  or penalizing protesters  because we dont like the theme or message of the protest?

As has been noted, he got sacked because he refused to work, not because he protested. And while people have a right to peacefully protest, what they choose to protest about can tell you about the kind of person they are, and whether they have the kind of values you'd want in someone teaching children. And so, while we can defend his right to peacefully protest, we can also be quietly happy about the fact that his garbage ideology is out of schools.

Additionally, what people have the right to do, legally, doesn't necessarily have any bearing on the rights of their employer. As an extreme example: I have the legal right to publicly criticise my employer, but they then have the right to determine that my continued employment is not in their best interests. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

1 hour ago, Zoraptor said:

I wish they'd get outraged over Malaria then. At least Monkeypox is low infectivity and has a vaccine already (bonus, since it's the smallpox one we'll get to see antivaxxers' heads explode if it's brought back). It's still 200 million cases and 700k deaths from Malaria each and every year, but it's barely mentioned.

Well that's the point, isn't it? If malaria comes in force to the USA or some other overwhelmingly white and rich country, suddenly people will care about it.

3 hours ago, BruceVC said:

No thats not accurate, monkeypox origin is Africa and its been around since the 1960's and it is well known to epidemiologists  and virologists who study viruses

Not sure what bit this is replying to. Is it the bit where I said that the 'Spanish Flu' was first observed in Kansas, or the bit where I implied that monkeypox has been in Africa for ages but didn't really make the news until it went to other, (richer, whiter) continents? Either way, it doesn't make sense as a response.