The All Things Political Topic - Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

[Guard Dog]

1 hour ago, Gorth said:

Does the second amendment say anything about the right to possess ammunition?

 

I spent 20+ years stockpiling/hoarding ammo because of this loophole. They cannot outright ban it but they CAN limit availability and tax the living hell out of it. But I have far more than can ever use so feasibly I'll never need to buy it again!

Except black powder/muzzleloader stuff. But that is not likely to ever be a target.

[Guard Dog]

2 hours ago, Chairchucker said:

anyone who thinks their rights to unrestricted access to unlimited firearms is too important to try to take action against gun violence is a garbage human being.

It's a good thing no one has rights to unrestricted access to unlimited firearms then. Not even here. Chicago has the highest gun death rate in the USA and has the most restrictive laws. 

[Guard Dog]

In other news: Canadian national security task force is preparing for the collapse of the United States

As if taking a queue from it's far northern trade partner Mexican President Obrador was head musing aloud than maybe paying to finish that border wall isn't such a bad idea! 

[Gfted1]

7 hours ago, Gorth said:

Poverty/Wealth inequality

SEE! UBI would fix everything else on that list.  

[Gfted1]

16 hours ago, Malcador said:

Teachers need to wear body armor.  And the kids too, the added weight will help them build muscle!

 

 

Hasnt our thinktank established that no amount of physical exercise will result in weight loss?

[Gromnir]

3 hours ago, Gorth said:

Does the second amendment say anything about the right to possess ammunition?

 

2nd Amendment honks are terrible historians. even the scotus Justices got their heads screwed on wrong whenever history and firearms becomes the topic... which is just one reason why the alito draft opinion killing roe is so problematic. 'course to be fair, those who push gun legislation are also kinda horrible at history. there were a 2008 scotus decision (heller) which addressed gun control. curious, before 2008, nobody had done a comprehensive study o' gun ordinances and laws. no joke. were literal no comprehensive written history o' gun laws in this country. as it turns out, pre 1900ish, near all efforts to restrict firearms were indeed directed at gunpowder and ammunition 'stead o' guns themselves. when state and local did get around to final addressing guns, those governing bodies, through democratic process, chose draconian limitations as often as not. have mentioned previous the myth o' the lawless wild west towns. reality is most municipalities other than a few notable mining towns in ca and other far west states, enacted extreme limits on gun possession w/i city/town limits, and such remained the norm 'til 'round ww2. is hardly as if the founders o' the US enshrined the right to bear arms in the Constitution and only recent has the libs messed with the god given right o' gd to hoard weapons and ammo. the second amendment, for much o' history, were considered a limit only on the fed government and a rather insignificant limit at that precise 'cause ammo and gunpowder were the main target o' legislation efforts.

'course the folks who says US doesn't do anything 'bout guns is also history challenged. the 1994 assault weapon ban were curious simultaneous effective and pointless. firearms with attributes described in the ban became non factors almost overnight. the ban were extreme effective at getting ar-15 kinda weapons off the street. huzzah! however, is inconclusive as to whether mass shootings decreased and firearm related deaths overall changed not a bit, 'cause as has been stated frequent by this poster, handguns is what is the cause o' the overwhelming firearms death numbers in this country.

btw, 'cause is an issue folks never wanna discuss, but suicides by firearm is overwhelming linked to handgun ownership. believe it or not but suicide is an act o' convenience and making the means by which a person would kill themselves even a bit less accessible has a significant impact on suicide numbers. more than 50% o' all firearm related deaths in the US is suicides. 

HA! Good Fun!

ps: we loathe wiki links, but today am just too lazy to do better. anybody wanna criticize our weak-arse wiki links? will get zero pushback from us. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Gromnir

[Gfted1]

1 hour ago, Gfted1 said:

Hasnt our thinktank established that no amount of physical exercise will result in weight loss?

Well would you look at that, when the Flying Spaghetti Monster closes one door, it opens a window:

New Antiobesity Drugs Help People Shed Dozens of Pounds, but They Must Be Taken for a Lifetime - Scientific American

[BruceVC]

13 minutes ago, Gfted1 said:

Well would you look at that, when the Flying Spaghetti Monster closes one door, it opens a window:

New Antiobesity Drugs Help People Shed Dozens of Pounds, but They Must Be Taken for a Lifetime - Scientific '" American

That Flying Spaghetti Monster is seen more often than people would have you believe 

[majestic]

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the creator of Heaven and Earth, you heathen. Its noodly appendages are not seen by mere mortals.

Edited May 25, 2022 by majestic

[Malcador]

1 hour ago, Gfted1 said:

Hasnt our thinktank established that no amount of physical exercise will result in weight loss?

Didn't write anything about weight loss though, just a joke that kids carrying a 16 lb plate carrier would help them get muscles.    Hm, I wonder if they can work active shooter drills into PE in schools - or do they do so already in some US schools ?

[HoonDing]

[Gromnir]

5 minutes ago, majestic said:

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the creator of Heaven and Earth, you heathen. Its noodly appendages are not seen by mere mortals.

reversed. the spaghetti monster is the death knell o' all things, the final but ultimate unreachable end of creation. 

HA! Good Fun!

[BruceVC]

4 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Didn't write anything about weight loss though, just a joke that kids carrying a 16 lb plate carrier would help them get muscles.    Hm, I wonder if they can work active shooter drills into PE in schools - or do they do so already in some US schools ?

But dont you think they would lose weight as well? Exercise and muscle gain normally leads to weight loss especially when it comes to obesity which is a huge concern in many US public sector schools 

What did Hurlshot tell us, 30% of the kids are obese. Thats a problem surly?

[majestic]

Just now, BruceVC said:

But dont you think they would lose weight as well? Exercise and muscle gain normally leads to weight loss especially when it comes to obesity which is a huge concern in many US public sector schools 

Well since the last discussion used words, and words on their own are apparently too difficult for some people here, let's use pictures.

Look at these two:

How much do you think these two lardasses here exercise per week, and would you argue it's intensive or rather relaxed? Assuming they exercise at all, that is.

And yes, that's pretty much a trick question.

[BruceVC]

2 minutes ago, majestic said:

Well since the last discussion used words, and words on their own are apparently too difficult for some people here, let's use pictures.

Look at these two:

How much do you think these two lardasses here exercise per week, and would you argue it's intensive or rather relaxed? Assuming they exercise at all, that is.

And yes, that's pretty much a trick question.

I hope you not using Sumo wrestlers fatness as an example of " exercise doesnt lead to weight loss "

Sumo wrestlers eat food to have this weight and its " healthy " fat...its by design of their lifestyle 

https://oneshotmma.com/why-are-sumo-wrestlers-fat/

Diet and exercise are how you lose weight. That point should not be a debatable one ?

 

[Gfted1]

25 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

But dont you think they would lose weight as well? Exercise and muscle gain normally leads to weight loss especially when it comes to obesity which is a huge concern in many US public sector schools 

What did Hurlshot tell us, 30% of the kids are obese. Thats a problem surly?

Actually, muscle weights more than fat. Back to square one again I guess.  

It seems that all human failings circle back to lack of money, not the individual...obesity, illness (mental and physical), homelessness, lack of education, addiction, crime, etc. The only realistic solution is to throw money at it. Id really like if the UBI and UHC could start with me and my generation so I dont fall into any of the previously mentioned pitfalls of life.  You dont want me to have a crack addiction do you?

[majestic]

4 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

I hope you not using Sumo wrestlers fatness as an example of " exercise doesnt lead to weight loss "

No, I don't. Guess that was still too difficult.

Okay let's try this some other way.

This is a Mars bar. A Mars bar will last you for roughly half an hour worth of cardio exercise.

Now, on to something our McDonald's sells here in Austria.

Yeah, so this is a bowl of, well, lettuce and carrots. This actually weighs more than the Mars bar (70g vs. 51g), but will last you for... oh, well, walking to the toilet and back, basically. Now keep in mind that we're not talking about McDonald's Big Ceasar's Salad here, because that one will last you for an hour of cardio and you're better off eating a burger.

12 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Sumo wrestlers eat food to have this weight

Yes, they do, and they exercise upwards 30 hours a week, and are amongst the fittest and strongest athletes in the world. So, apparently, it can be your job to exercise and participate in competitions, and still have a good deal of body fat through eating habits alone. 

Hence, now, one very simple question: Why? Should that not be impossible by this magical exercise = weight loss formula that's been spouted here?

The answer: Because consuming energy is much easier than exercising it off. You cannot fix obesity by making someone excercise, because in order to become obese in the first place, your kaloric intake per day must exceed your energy requirements by such an amount that you cannot realisticaly expect someone to exercise it off, let alone lose weight by exercise alone. 

Hence: Exercise helps, but not without fixing the underlying issue. 

20 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Diet and exercise are how you lose weight. That point should not be a debatable one ?

Eating properly is how you prevent becoming obese. Changing your nutritional habits and going hungry is how you lose weight when you already are obese. Exercise can help with both, but it's not going to fix any ongoing issues without changing your eating habits.

It will, however, improve your health and wellbeing in the long run, and as such is a good idea, regardless of anything else. Exercise will only help you burn off excess body weight if you're in the process of gaining a little and it's enough to whack your energy balance back to normal, or a little under your daily energy requirements. That's a very narrow corridor, and even that is better fixed by fixing what you eat, not how you burn it off.

Can't change physics. That's the thing with math and numbers, you know.  

[Malcador]

Perfect isn't the enemy of the good, and the added fitness from body armour, live fire drills and PT will still help.  Also, run on benefits would be maybe cutting down eating due to boredom, improved mood.

[Gfted1]

Speaking of candy related obesity, Im 74" (187.96 cm) and I recently porked up to 219 Lbs. (99.3367 kilo) and it was all due to my love affair with gummies and chocolate. Ive managed to drop 5 pounds (2.26796 kilo) by regulating my intake but I feel and look best at my fighting weight around 209 Lbs. (94.8008 kilo (heh the end of that number is boob)). Ill probably never be able to get over this hump without cash money. :sadface:

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

1 hour ago, majestic said:

Can't change physics. That's the thing with math and numbers, you know.

Sounds like someone isn't pulling hard enough on their bootstraps. GRAVITY IS A CHOICE.

One of the things that are constant among personal fitness types is the mantra "Abs are made in the kitchen". I guess you could excercise all the weight away while eating cheeseburgers for every meal in the same way you could lose weight by eating nothing but ice cream, but such hypothetical situations are full of caveats that make them useless for most people. For most, weight loss is going to be primarily a result of diet, probably cutting down on sugars and calorie rich foods while eating more vegetables and lean proteins. Exercise is good and you should do it for a multitude of reasons, but a 30 min daily cardio and regular weight training aren't going to zap your fat away by themselves. I'm not sure why this is so controversial, but I guess it shouldn't surprise me at this point.

[Gfted1]

But dont people eat cheeseburgers and ice-cream because they are too poor and cant afford to make a decent meal? I mean, you can get 5 cans of porn-n-beans and feed everyone in your house for the same price as a single Whopper, but math is hard so I probably dont understand how that works other than "its not their fault". Or maybe when you factor in the price of the cooking pot and natural gas then it skyrockets in cost? I dunno, but it sounds like something UBI would eradicate overnight.

[Malcador]

Well, this guy got into the school even after engaging officers there, wounded two.  Guess you need good guys with bigger guns ?

[Gfted1]

Or they needed to borrow the body armor from the schools PE class.

[Malcador]

Probably will be in a couple of years, the SRO will be walking around with an AR-15 (or if they really care, a tacticool M4).

[Amentep]

1 hour ago, Gfted1 said:

you can get 5 cans of porn-n-beans

Seems like an odd promotion.  I guess its an alternative to reading it for the articles, I guess.  

Also brings new meaning to that bean ad slogan where the guy says "Roll that beautiful bean footage!"

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I'll get me coat.

...and hope I don't make a typo anytime soon...