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poton of the final stand blood mage tactician wall of draining

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Didn't have time to stream today, since we're moving soon and I spent most of the day packing, but while theorycrafting on the side, mainly thinking about how to stack Walls of draining quicker vs Dorudugan, which I found an answer too with belt of Magran's chosen, I alos realized you can use Wall of Draining for Potions of the fiunal stand!


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<<how to stack Walls of draining quicker vs Dorudugan, which I found an answer too with belt of Magran's chosen,>>

 

Belt of Magran's chosen works how to speed up Wall casting?

 

The way that Wall of Draining extends effects shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone this long after the game has been released?  It's not like we're finding out something new ref potions, or are we?

 

When I tried it vs doru, he killed me too fast still - but I think I was also multiclicking Unbending, which as we've discovered gets rid of the stacks.  I've been to lazy to respec to a build just to fight him, but I suppose I'll tackle it some time.  Let us know how it goes.


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<<how to stack Walls of draining quicker vs Dorudugan, which I found an answer too with belt of Magran's chosen,>>

 

Belt of Magran's chosen works how to speed up Wall casting?

 

The way that Wall of Draining extends effects shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone this long after the game has been released?  It's not like we're finding out something new ref potions, or are we?

 

When I tried it vs doru, he killed me too fast still - but I think I was also multiclicking Unbending, which as we've discovered gets rid of the stacks.  I've been to lazy to respec to a build just to fight him, but I suppose I'll tackle it some time.  Let us know how it goes.

The fire blight summoned by the belt only has 50 will, walls crit like crazy against it, while against doru you need to get lucky to even graze.

The fire blight also doesn't have a summon duration it stays there forever unless you kill it.

I stacked my Unbending to 1k healed and 700 secs duration in a few minues, potion of last stand actually had the same duration!

I also found out what recklicking unbending actually does:

It does not remove the stacks as I thought at first, but it replaces the duration of the actual buff ("33% of damage taken converted into healing for xxx secs" in the character sheet).

Since you can quickly gain hundreds of secs of duration with the fire blight replacing this with 20ish secs is quite bad and if you are not careful you just lose your stacks due to the buff running out.


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ah ok, it doesn't help you cast walls faster, it helps your wall tick faster because you have summoned a hostile (or perhaps several) with your hits ... so you've stacked 1+ hostiles alongside doru, to help your wall hit more and heal more.  Cool.

 

given the belt adds fire damage to your attacks, aren't you healing Doru tho if you're attacking him?


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It's not even about the walls ticking faster, it's about them ticking at all, since against Doru's 160+ will you will have many many misses.

In about an hour I couldn't get my Unbending higher than 80 secs vs Doru, this takes several secs with the blight (less than a minute).

 

The belt adds 5% fire damage with essence interrupter I haven't seen a higher number than 5, while grazes do 30ish damage and crits 70ish. (if you have at least 25% damage from the curse club stacked and ofc the 25% from final stand pot).

 

From my quick testing it takes 1000s to get Doru to bloodied (50%) so a bit over 2k buff duration should be enough to kill him, will find out in my stream tomorrow. :)


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What I don't get though: Why can you only cast one Wall of Flames/Thorns etc. (a new cast wall will replace the old one) but have multiple Walls of Draining in place?

 

This seems to be an oversight. And once it gets patched...  :o  


Edited by Boeroer, 11 January 2019 - 01:07 AM.

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It wasn't a bug before, but perhaps it is considered now ^^

Most likely there will be a limit of one Wall X per one caster, as mentioned by Boeroer.
Or Unbending will stop stacking with itself. And just the duration will get prolonged)
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Good point.

One wall is still pretty good if you just spawn multiple blights, but if unbending stacking gets removed having to use the potion of final stand will be a little harder.



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This is how i killed the boss, but i didnt use the belt/blights. I did it bruteforce spamming the walls constantly. It took ages to kill the boss but it died.

 

Why did you choose the weapon you have? I used the chromoprismatic staff for example.


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This is how i killed the boss, but i didnt use the belt/blights. I did it bruteforce spamming the walls constantly. It took ages to kill the boss but it died.

 

Why did you choose the weapon you have? I used the chromoprismatic staff for example.

I tried killing it like that before but just didn't have the patience, since it took me an hour to get unbending duration to 80 secs, which isn't even close to enough to kill it.

I took Essence interrupter because shock is the lowest AR, but Chromoprismatic might be better damage, I will check thanks!



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I thought you used the mace+shield you have equiped in the video. So you used bow in melee? The staff worked well for me. It has useful damage reduction stats, and high crush damage, crush armor on the boss is OK. With penetrating strike which i am spamming i have easily enough Armor pen. Also you can use potion to get extra +2 AR. Unless you can get enough AR to reliably overpenetrate, i am pretty sure the staff will be better.

 

The fight took me total little over 1 hour. With using your belt trick you could probably do it much faster.



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You're right, Chromoprismatic is much better, it has No pen on hits and grazes but still does more damage due to higher base.



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I thought you used the mace+shield you have equiped in the video. So you used bow in melee? The staff worked well for me. It has useful damage reduction stats, and high crush damage, crush armor on the boss is OK. With penetrating strike which i am spamming i have easily enough Armor pen. Also you can use potion to get extra +2 AR. Unless you can get enough AR to reliably overpenetrate, i am pretty sure the staff will be better.

 

The fight took me total little over 1 hour. With using your belt trick you could probably do it much faster.

The club is only for getting +25% damage from the curse, after that switching to the bow, yes.

I have no idea how you did this fight in 1 hour, your accuracy must be a lot higher for some reason (maxed Per?), because my wall misses a lot vs Doru and after 1 hour my Unbending duration is at 80 secs which is hardly enough to even visibly damage his hp bar.

With the belt I need several seconds to accomplish what took an hour without the blight.



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If the fight is way over hour long I would consider to cheesee it  :devil: . Rakhan Field Boots and No Quarter from stealth with  Lover's Embrace. ACC should be in high 150s with one handed, Ajaamut's Stalking Cloak and some pet with bonus to meele ACC. Damage is 8raw/6sec, run up, cast that Arkemyr spell (invisibility), run down, do the loundry and dishes :yes:  :yes:. Come back.

 

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I thought you used the mace+shield you have equiped in the video. So you used bow in melee? The staff worked well for me. It has useful damage reduction stats, and high crush damage, crush armor on the boss is OK. With penetrating strike which i am spamming i have easily enough Armor pen. Also you can use potion to get extra +2 AR. Unless you can get enough AR to reliably overpenetrate, i am pretty sure the staff will be better.

 

The fight took me total little over 1 hour. With using your belt trick you could probably do it much faster.

The club is only for getting +25% damage from the curse, after that switching to the bow, yes.

I have no idea how you did this fight in 1 hour, your accuracy must be a lot higher for some reason (maxed Per?), because my wall misses a lot vs Doru and after 1 hour my Unbending duration is at 80 secs which is hardly enough to even visibly damage his hp bar.

With the belt I need several seconds to accomplish what took an hour without the blight.

 

 

My accuracy against vessels was around 145 i think. Maxed perception yes, potion of deftness, all possible world buffs, but i think you had those too, +3acc gloves. 132 base accuracy + 10 for vessels from the necklace and 5 from potion of deftness. thats 147 acc. 13 base penetration +2 from penetration potion and +3 from penetrating strike, so thats 18 pen, more than enough. Also used potion of prefect aim. Havent used the last stand potion, i didnt realize i could abuse that, it would make a big difference.

 

With the staff i hit basically every time, no misses. With 3 walls up i was able to maintain steady buff duration. And also, i respeced actual properly optimized melee damage build specifically for this boss


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@Bhall, my wall accuracy is only 128, I have 14 Perception, so only could improve it by 5, weird.

 

Todays stream brought forth another extremely important wall of draining cheese, using the cloak with 1% Brilliant chance actually gives you a buff called mind over matter and unlike the tactician brilliant, this buff has a duration and can be prolonged with walls, so you will have brilliant forever if you need it, without flanking, heck even without tactician.

(Priest/Blood mage prolly the best high level class out there now)

Dorudugan died in about 1:30h and Belranga can't even kill you with injuries if you have Final Stand, injuries just stop at 3 and you keep living. :D



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It hardly feels like cheese if you have to spend 90 minutes actively fighting him (casting walls, attacking, etc). Especially vs rogue strategy with gouging strike etc per above comment.

I assume you are healing so much that using Revku cloak is no longer needed?
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<<Priest/Blood mage prolly the best high level class out there now)>>

To extend BDD with wall of draining, and get Brilliant via the cloak? You won't get the fighter goodies tho....

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<<Priest/Blood mage prolly the best high level class out there now)>>

To extend BDD with wall of draining, and get Brilliant via the cloak? You won't get the fighter goodies tho....

True, but unbending is not necessary with BDD and the other fighter goodies are not as big as unbending.

Some stuff will maybe be missed but the priest brings other stuff in return.

(some of the priest buffs are insanely good and only one thing pissed me off about them, duration back when I played my cipher/priest, but with drain wall durations are infinite)

One of the biggest upsides for BDD compared to Final stand potion is you can apply it on full hp, while the potions don't work if youa ren't near death.

Also the priest has built in pen inspiration, so consumable slots can mostly be filled with grimoires.



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FWIW. arcane damper will still remove your BDD and you will, basically, instantly die.

I think HulkOSaurus mentioned this in his Electric Dyslexic build which was built around stacking BDD.

You have to push your will defense high enough that AD won't hit on POTD, which I think was like 192+.

That may mean not dumping resolve and stacking some items.


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