Nvidia RTX Series

[LadyCrimson]

The rumors re: power usage of the 40xx series - that 850w PSU might not be overkill anymore. Maybe I should get a 1000w one.

I wonder, if it takes 1 to 1.5 years before we see it ... will we be able to buy one or will the situation be exactly like now? I was able to skip 30xx series but I bet I'm going to want the 4080...but I sure don't want to pay $3000 for it.

[Keyrock]

2 hours ago, LadyCrimson said:

will we be able to buy one or will the situation be exactly like now? I was able to skip 30xx series but I bet I'm going to want the 4080...but I sure don't want to pay $3000 for it.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that this is the new normal, that scalpers buying up all the stock via bots and silicone shortages , much like COVID, are just something we're going to have to live with going forward. The days of being able to simply walk into a store and grab a graphics card off a shelf or go to Newegg or whatever and buy one at MSRP, those days are over, never mind the fact that the MSRPs themselves are getting out of control even faster than inflation, which itself is getting out of control. 

[Zoraptor]

3 hours ago, Keyrock said:

..silicone shortages..

Bots buying up all the silicone now? What will they think of next. I do very much love a good silicon/e typo, always brings me a smile.

To be frank, I don't think the price inflation we have now is here to stay longer term, or in any way sustainable. A bit of price inflation, sure, because newer node fabrication really is intrinsically a more expensive process than older ones, whereas historically smaller newer nodes were more efficient (and hence cheaper) fabrication wise as well as in the end product. But the levels of pricing and neither AMD nor nVidia having had new entry level cards for years is unsustainable long term no matter how great it looks on the bottom line of today's quarterly report.

I'd expect ludicrously priced halo products to hang about though, since there clearly are a lot of people willing to pay those prices. But at some point they have to cater to those that aren't, or lose them, and the alternatives- MSony- are only going to get cheaper and more available as other companies come off 7nm and space frees up.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Zoraptor

[Keyrock]

28 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

Bots buying up all the silicone now? What will they think of next. I do very much love a good silicon/e typo, always brings me a smile.

That's why so many pornstars have natural breasts these days; they can't get fun bags because scalpers are buying them all up. 

[LadyCrimson]

I expect inflation, and I expect inflation of tech goods to be higher than "everyday" type goods. But to me that shouldn't be more than $100-$150 per generation cycle for top-tier gpu's.

So MSRP for an EVGA 4080ti being $1600-$1700 instead of the $1400-$1500 I paid for the 2080ti might be marginally acceptable, to me, especially since I'd guess that'd be the last "4k" card I need to buy until it broke. $3000, however, is a big fat no.

Not that I think any of those prices are "reasonable", mind. And lower-mid tiers should definitely be way way lower then top tiers or they're going to price most gamers out of PC gaming. I mean, are they're expecting average gamer (which is decidedly not me, far as budget goes anyway) to upgrade every two years for crazy prices? Not happening.

[ComradeYellow]

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

I don't see too many high powered GPU's on that list, I mean the closest one is the 3070 and it's still not on the top 10 so yeah, looks like the enthusiast class are the cave dwellers of the story.

[LadyCrimson]

Hey now, I don't live in a cave ... it's a homey hobbit-dwelling. Get it right. 

...but yeah.  I'd guess the more average would be people wanting to upgrade after 5-8 years for maybe $300 to $600 at most, gpu-wise.
...I still wait 3-4 years (or more) but my top price tolerance (and desire for current top end when I do buy) is just a lot higher than average these days then it used to be, is all.

[Zoraptor]

The nVidia purchase of ARM officially dead having looked like it was pining for the fjords for at least the last few months.

Reuters has Softbank floating ARM as an IPO instead.

[Sarex]

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ransomware-hackers-demands-nvidia-lite-lift-hash-rate-restriction.html

[Totally not Gorgon]

I don't see why you couldn't stick an AIO on a GPU. AIOs in general aren't as duable as fans, but dust would cease to be an issue, and hard to get at dust is inside the GPU is a common point of failure for a GPU

[Totally not Gorgon]

I wonder if we are going to get a crypto boom again because of the inflation caused by the Russia sanctions. Normally you wouldn't hold equity in crypto, but it might be a lot better than rubles these days

 

https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=RUB&To=USD

[Malcador]

https://videocardz.com/newz/canadian-retailer-lists-asus-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-series-for-3683-usd-and-4148-usd

Probably could get some to pay that price.

Edited March 18, 2022 by Malcador

[Keyrock]

"Hardware Vendor #3" Jensen hates AMD so much he won't even name them.

[majestic]

I can get behind that. I'm not getting all the time back I've spent having to support systems with AMD (or prior to the buyout, ATi) trash in them. Guess things changed in the past decade or so and the hardware works fine and the drivers won't crash more often than they work, but as in this famous movie poster:

God forgives... I dont.

[ComradeYellow]

God I love that movie...some don't.

Think I'll watch it again on Breadtube...it's free!

 

[Bokishi]

RTX 4000 may be delayed to December due to mass excess of RTX 3000 gpus

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nvidia-rtx-4000-gpus-could-be-pushed-back-but-theres-good-news

[Sarex]

Good. **** them.

[Zoraptor]

They're also supposed to have a massive over order of 5nm wafers, which TSMC won't let them reduce because everyone else has over ordered. Glut of stock, lots of 2nd hand ex mining equipment depressing prices and paying for manufacturing capacity you aren't using is not a great combination.

[Keyrock]

Ouch, that will likely mean that AMD is first to market with RDNA 3. In the long run, I can't see Nvidia losing their market dominance, their position is too strong. Still, having a month or two with essentially no competition on the new GPU front (Intel's ARC is still coming... At some point, but they're not competition at the mid to high-end yet) will be a boon for AMD, if RDNA 3 arrives October-ish as is rumored.

[Zoraptor]

That's still likely to be before AMD, I'd reckon. If it is an overstock issue rather than a design or manufacturing one then they can still release a 4090/Ti/ Titan before any AMD release, and probably would. Especially so if they suspect AMD actually is faster.

AMD has also over ordered 5nm as well, so they're partly in the same boat. They've got the CPU side to mitigate things though, and less stock on hand. That's one 'advantage' of them being supply constrained on 7nm for so long, even at boom prices GPUs were the least profitable option (excluding consoles, but those are contractual obligations). They can probably just accelerate 5nm releases and do some stuff they weren't initially planning like AM4 compatible 5nm CPUs.

ARC looks pretty dead this gen, just taken far too long. Releasing into a glut market in bad economic conditions with two big improvements imminent from its competitors is just about perfect storm for them.

[Keyrock]

36 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

ARC looks pretty dead this gen, just taken far too long. Releasing into a glut market in bad economic conditions with two big improvements imminent from its competitors is just about perfect storm for them.

Yeah, they really needed most of their lineup out by now, preferably a month or two ago. Regardless of what Raja Koduri said, there was no way they were going to be competitive with Nvidia & AMD on the performance end right out of the gate, so the one advantage they could have had was beating Team Green & Team Red to market, and that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

[Keyrock]

Here is the rumored power supply recommendation for the upcoming RTX4090:

[LadyCrimson]

Yeah...no kidding.

Tempts me to just get a 3080ti since they're "normalizing" now, for less power-spike considerations...with my reduced gaming desire that would get me some boost to/for 4k/60 performance (all I care about at the moment) for my uses and probably let me skip all the way to 60xx. Or longer, who knows. Then again, maybe I could wait/skip to then regardless.

Edit: oh, the evga ftw3 Ultra 3080ti is now "only" $1100 on Amazon. Hm....will it get to $1000...

Edited July 12, 2022 by LadyCrimson

[Bokishi]

23 hours ago, LadyCrimson said:

Yeah...no kidding.

Tempts me to just get a 3080ti since they're "normalizing" now, for less power-spike considerations...with my reduced gaming desire that would get me some boost to/for 4k/60 performance (all I care about at the moment) for my uses and probably let me skip all the way to 60xx. Or longer, who knows. Then again, maybe I could wait/skip to then regardless.

Edit: oh, the evga ftw3 Ultra 3080ti is now "only" $1100 on Amazon. Hm....will it get to $1000...

Yeah with 3080ti I can play comfortably at 5K/120 Gsync (with tweaked settings and DLSS of course). I bet with RTX 4090 you can turn off the DLSS though

[LadyCrimson]

On 7/13/2022 at 2:31 PM, Bokishi said:

Yeah with 3080ti I can play comfortably at 5K/120 Gsync (with tweaked settings and DLSS of course). I bet with RTX 4090 you can turn off the DLSS though

The (more demanding/newer) stuff I play it's mostly 50-70fps w/the 2080ti, which to me is perfectly playable, but I'd like the lower number to be more like 80+ for headroom and all of that. The way I'm going re: gaming, I could probably wait until the 50xx and it'll be even better. But that might require a PSU connected directly to the sun or something.