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Ehm... How about the Designers Producers Stores Etc. Since you had to seek more previously there were more who would not take that effort and just bought it... Now they do not, since they can DL it; after that complaining to everybody they know about the game because their version was messed up or it didn't work that well since a nice virus/load of spyware was included, and after that they won't buy the "good" copy in the store or other games from the developer... (It appears alot of DL'ers are offended by the lack of Dev. Support for their H4Xed game... quite logical ofcourse *sigh* the idiots)

Droid in the garbage and you talked to everybody afterwards... Then the droid seller outside of the bar should sell you the things you need to go further...

Disagreed. This may be the case with a "pure shooter", but FPS is in my terms shooting/attacking from a First Person View on other people, where the death of an enemy is player-skill (aim) dependant, and the player has to make sure that he has ammo, or gets less health than 0. Deus Ex has all of this. It doesn't matter that you are not forced to shoot around you, the fact that it is a obvious possibility makes it that is this way... Never played Omikron, and no, there is not "shooting in lots of games". Alot of games on the PC these days are shooters, I can agree with such a statement... If there is lots of shooting "possible" in almost every lvl of the game and when there is an arsenal available to do so, it is a FPS. If it is just a few times ingame it is more a "mini-game"..., and if it is a "mini-game" (like SA's Dancing) the game won't be qualified by that game's actions/genre... Well, if a game features alot of weapons, a first person view and loads of killable enemies in every level, it is a FPS in my book, even if you can avoid these enemies if you really want to... Action (The FPS part) with adventure (The RPG part). You are making it alot longer, while it still means the same to me... or am I mistaken? FPS/RPG-Hybrid would fit the description for DX nicely; no need to add action (as that is inside FPS) or adventure (as that is in RPG), nor adding "with RPG elements"... The fact that you don't have to doesn't make it not not have it. The fact that you can avoid the RPG-stats doesn't mean it ISN'T an RPG. The fact that you can do without shooting everybody doesn't mean you can't do so...FPS style. But, it is a RTS. There is no lvl-ing up and the heroes won't likely be the same you meet later. Could be some of the RTS's missions are RPG type around a hero, and around a small storyline. Would that be RTS, RPG or Hybrid? Since (probably) RTS is the main goal can be just wave away the fact it also has RPG-elements (since: You don't have to use it... not the main goal) etc...? Same I could say. Shooting people down in FP isn't action. My definition of action would be a timed event needing a quick brain or buttonmashing, which would (see Fahrenheit for examples) 1) As said, be timed... 2) Will result in a proceeding or a game over 3) Do NOT make up most of the game...always part of another genre action scenes are... Your action; alot of games also give you that option. Unlike DX it can even make a difference (in DX dead and unconscious are almost the same...) In DX you have 2 ways to get around; namely 1) Killing. Done FPS (and like I say before; the fact you can go without using it doesn't mean it isn't there) 2) Stealth. Once again uses the same FPS system. Unlike a Splintercell you can't use shadows or such, use enemies against themselves (shields, open doors). No, the only point in DX of stealth is walking around like option 1 without actually pulling the trigger (or use mouse button 1 in this case) Your adventure: I really don't see DX as adventure. What is the adventure? What you define as adventure could be my "action" though. Under adventure I expect more like walking around, solving puzzles and combining items to proceed. Your RPG-Elements: The stats yes. Giving the Shooter-stuff a little less "player skill" and a bit more "PC-skill" Couldn't handle all that quotes All the bold lines in the quotes are the things I said in my previous post and Hell Kitty quoted...

FPS is a part of Vampire's hybrid formula. You can pick a gun and start blasting ala DX (wide aim getting less the better your skill etc.)

And some offer ways beyond shooting and such. Like I said there is "shooting" in DX. If you don't avoid anybody and kill everybody it might include more than any other FPS on the market. Anyway, Deus Ex is also no RPG, well, in your way of seeing genres. Let me ask another question; whould you call a RTS/RPG-Hybrid a RTS/RPG hybrid? As, to be RPG there has to be convo's and small groups, and usually the RPG in RTS mean that some have stats and an inventory? Now; back to Deus Ex. Note the word "hybrid". Wouldn't the "avoid all enemies" be in the RPG part of this hybrid? So because you can go "stealthy" and "violent" it is FPS(Violent path)/RPG(Stealth Path)? Your turn again...

First off; We are no longer in the Doom Era... you understand that right? Shooters these days aren't about mindlessly shooting 1000s of enemies in 10 seconds with brains on zero (well, except games like Painkiller, Serious Sam and Doom3/Quake 4). Some examples would be Half-Life (1/2), Deus Ex, Vampire: Bloodlines... Nope. It may be an optional method, but that doesn't change the fact that it is there and part of the genre. On this I could claim; "Deus Ex is no RPG" and you will agree with me because you don't HAVE to spend skill points or use biomods... Yep, Thief still is a shooter. You have FP (First Person) and the fact that, unlike a Splintercell for example you do not have several stealthy tricks. The only thing that you can do in Thief to take down an enemy is shoot with an arrow (S), or take down with the blackjack/sword (melee part all shooters have... as you said before) Tranq. is with a crossbow. Crossbow shoots, qualifies as shooting ... And no, just the killing of these 2/3 don't make Deus Ex a shooter. The fact that there is a FP-view, an Shooter-type way to kill enemies and loads of guns does...

In the first pages you could read you HAVE to shoot and kill 3 people... End of theory

Currently playing: Dungeon Siege 2 Kohan 2 Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory

Thief is a FPS... And in Thief you try to avoid detection as much as possible... Now, Deus Ex has all ingredients of a UT (FPS) and plays like a UT in combat situations; so would be a FPS. It allows for character costumisation, and has alot of convo so it is also a RPG Result: FPS/RPG-Hybrid... (Ala System Shock 2)

1st: Dunno Media Patch: Unofficial... So; NO

Why be subtle? It is more annoying than helping here with all the descriptions of mods here without just calling the name...

Feel free to re-open this in WoT called "The sexiest non-star Wars Character" and with the same options, but I have no idea what it should do here...

Search the 4 rooms for a console to open the main door...

And for some of the bad stuff from DX: Install the patches atleast. Like IW DX has some FPS-Issues out of the box (unless you get GOTY). After Vandenburg the game gets really boring Some cut content. SPOILERS: Non-Human creatures in the later levels (monsters )

The "spamming and powertripping" mod here: Uno; Why does Authority gets loved more? Because he prunes/deletes less threads... Now, why would a mod of WAY OFF TOPIC has to remove less... (If you don't get it, that's a retorical question) Deux; Why should I post what gets pruned out? If it gets pruned it doesn't belong in the topic... no need to collect all the ones that get out in my own post as being deleted now... Three; Feedback like this is alot more effective if you don't type "spamming, powertripping mod" and "attitude problem mod" but just Battlewookiee and Shadowstrider Vier; Query: If Authority etc. does such a good job why does he gets re-enforced by 2 additional mods I ask you... think about it "

The list lost credibility for me when it stuffed DEUS EX with Dungeon Siege and Diablo, and the writer stamped it with "Loads of Action; Next to none thinking or plot"...

That's what I mean when saying DX:IW's code was crap, since it was the same on the X-Box as PC version... Never did they do THAT again...

Since nobody seems to know the intent, and thus spam rise, a lock should be beneficial...

Could you please eleborate on what you actually want to know...? I have no idea what you mean.

*What is this, prunage 6?* Eh, nevermind I give up on you this thread... LOCKED

So; where did you get that "[Team Gizkas forums]" part from? It isn't in the post you quoted... and if somebody says Forums I don't think they actually mean another one than the current (as there are like 1x10^1000000 forums on the net)

The quoted ones should be scrapped of your list Oh, and *Thread pruned*

Why make a new topic when the old one is still running... On page 1 Continue here

Yep, the "Why are you restless" convo option where you can tell her about Kreia's spot only appears when in the Ebon Hawk (also, this convo option should get you your first influence needed to talk about everything else) You should be able to jedi-fy her in one convo (well, excluding the walk to Nar Shaddaa to finish it off)

First of all; from a very old post of Kaftan (?): Why do you think modern PC's can only now run PS application. When searching if GTA came on PS or PC first I found out the GTA2 site said that "GTA2 had to be Graphically downgraded(!) to make it run on a PS... Oh, they tried, they tried. Remember Deus Ex: Invisible War? It had the exact same coding for Xbox and PC; but while this caused a great game for X-Box standerds, it was crap for PC standerds, and also gave loads of framerate issues for many PC users due to crappy X-Box optimisation... Piracy on consoles is running loose. Remember Halo2 and GTA:SA were available illegal for your PS2/X-Box before the official release date. Also a big boost for "console sales" would be these damn exclusives. If Halo or a GTA:SA came on the same day for PC as they would on consoles PC sales would be a *lot* larger, and the consoles one a *lot* lower... No, it is computers become more and more idiot-proof. ??? Then why do so many people have problems running their games on their PC without errors? I tell you; the idiots install virusses, spyware and "faster making tools" which will make your system unstable. For them a console would be perfect; they don't have the chance of people doing such things. Well, partly agree on that. Due to higher demand and there-by $-eyed developers sequel after sequel hits the market. Since us gamers only buy these sequels and leave the great "original" games behind us, more and more sequel crap gets produced; since that will dilever them the money... And on your second statement; DISAGREED. EA makes *loads* of crap. And is the biggest... Why? Because they don't dare producing new games; like these companies you tell produce crap... And since they always produce new sequels they guarantee the same people will once again buy the same in a new jacket. While the original and good games creator makes something new... and then disappears because the "crowd" doesn't trust that new could be good; maybe downloads it to try it out, and then when they find it is alot of fun the company is broke, the game is no longer sold or the sales don't matter anymore (budget bin)...