Namutree

I haven't been all that civil myself either. I'm gonna try to take it a bit easier.

On what basis do you claim that engagement can be fixed to meet it's goals within the original game design. One of it's main goals was to prevent kiting; at this point we already know that not only does engagement not prevent kiting, but can actually be used as a tool for kiting. Is there some new evidence that is can be fixed that I'm not aware of? Your final line "That much has become clear." Suggests to me that some new information has come to light or something. If so, please tell me.

Yeah good point, I find the statements of radical feminists equally offensive I still am shocked by the whole " consensual sex is the same as rape " on that radical feminist blog It seems like radical feminist are more concerned with controlling women than liberating women from gender based oppression.

I'm not trying to blame anyone for not knowing if it was a joke. Text based communication can't convey what people mean accurately all the time.

I think the combat in poe will be at least decent. I trash talk the combat when making suggestions, but that's really more due to my high standards rather than the combat actually being bad. EDIT: I also think the story will be cool. Looking forward to that.

I was a little surprised by how upset Longknife/Fighter was. I didn't think you were totally serious.

That Aurini guy is the most disgusting ****heel I ever listened to on youtube ("we should be absolutely furious with the n***ers... not the blacks, but the f***ing n***ers"; "whites have been working for the past several hundred years to eliminate slavery throughout the globe - and even when we bought the black slaves, we treated them extremely well"; "women in our culture have become the most decadent sluts since the fall of Rome" etc. etc.). The other guy I'm also unfamiliar with. He sounds like someone who should align himself with GG, his perspective will fit in very well there I don't think his views on race or slavery would be appreciated. As for his claim about women, well I'm not sure his claim is true, but I like decadence and sluts so maybe it was meant as a compliment?

Not pizza it seems. All the pizza stores are closed, and it makes me so angry! This is an outrage!!! At least one of them should be open 24/7! I want pizza so bad!!!

What does the "white" in white saviorism refer to? How many people exhibiting the behavior in question do you know of from countries where the majority of power is held by people of color? I don't know any people from other countries. So... None. If you're asking how many nations that are interventionist and are held by PoC... Off the top of my head; 1. I'm sure there are others though. If you're asking about PoC whom support such behaviour... A lot. Where I live most people are black, and many were/are supportive of America's interventionist ways. I'm white myself, and I'm the most anti-interventionist person I've ever known of.

I hate Xena, but my step-dad loved it; so I've seen a lot of it through him. I'm glad that show is over. I don't know why I hated it so much.

I agree with the OP.

Who thinks the engagement mechanic makes sense? It doesn't make any sense at all. If some one is attacking me and tries to get away they don't just get hit with an instant, powerful, invisible strike.

This has got to be the one of the most off putting line opener ever: You know what I don't like about charity? How I always feel bad about which charity I donate to. I send money to hungry kids, but what about the wounded veterans? I send money for poor people, but what about people with disabilities? I'm never happy with who I donate to. It kinda sucks. I can't help everyone! I have to pick and choose, and I feel like the charities I don't donate to are being left behind.

Who says he does? Just because you can move in combat doesn't mean you'll have to. You have already stated that you didn't move your characters much in the IE games. Well guess what? They didn't have engagement. I guess that sticky mechanic isn't needed after all. How is engagement fundamental? It doesn't really contribute much of anything to the game.

What does the "white" in white saviorism refer to?

It sounds like the most disgusting thing since Pepsi Blue.

I got some bad news for you... Don't leave us in suspense! What's the bad news?

Not 100% true. Engagement is the highest targeting clause. If a unit is engaged, that unit will begin to auto-attack the first unit it is engaged by (including your characters - which is extremely terrible). When Engagement does not exist (I have tested it), the first two targeting clauses remain - first enemy to attack, and closest enemy. Some units only target the first enemy that attacks, and others will override that clause with closest enemy. There is no target re-acquisition however. You can kite enemies around forever with or without engagement. The Infinity Engine games, and many other RTS games have vastly better targeting clauses and they actually have target re-acqusition. One of the dumb things about the Engagement system is that it 'hides' the need to have target re-acquisition a lot of the time, because if a unit is engaged in melee then people with little to no attention to detail will think that everything is 'working correctly'. As many people do here I meant in regards to enemy re-acquisition. Obviously, I wasn't clear enough. The enemy will not ignore your front liner was my actual point. I guess I need to tone down the hyperbole as people are having trouble understanding me. My bad.

I do not believe this statement to be correct. It is. Have you ever seen the enemy respond to engagement? Do we have any evidence at all that they do? I don't need to pause due to engagement. How will the proposed solution being discussed here continue to allow stickiness while not increasing pausing for my playstyle? What if I don't want to react to keep the enemy sticky? I like that engagement takes care of that for me. Simple: The AI clauses that are already in place. The enemies will behave exactly the same whether or not there is a sticky mechanic. Engagement only affects the player's behavior; not the AI. I doubt programming game mechanics simplyboils down to CTRL+C and CTRL+V. Moreover, I do not see engagement as a huge risk. AoO's are not new. The IE games were critical and commercial successes, and this is an IE inspired game. Any meaningful change to the mechanics is a huge risk. If the mechanics are IE like: There is a 100% chance your game will be a success. If not: It's a maybe.

No it wouldn't. Right now the engagement mechanic causes much more pausing than an ability mechanic which would only be rarely used could possibly add. As it is you always have to be on top of how much stamina your front row has since you cant retreat on the fly thanks to disengagement penalties. Removing disengagement in favor of abilities would drastically reduce micro as you now would have a margin of error for your front liners. Try Sensuki's no engagement mod; I promise you'll notice that there isn't any more micro needed. To make the combat good. Something that will be near impossible (If not literally impossible) with the engagement mechanic in. We are testing the game. The combat isn't very good, and that's poe's primary selling point since this is such a combat focused game. Some of us feel that engagement must be removed for the combat to be good. We are serving the forum and development by suggesting the removal of a mechanic that is sabotaging the game. You may not agree that engagement is bad, but seeking the removal of a bad mechanic is just as legit as trying to find ways of improving the mechanic. They are mainly making this game for IE fans, and trying to reach rpg noobs too. The combat of this game doesn't feel very IE like, and the engagement mechanic is VERY confusing for noobs. That's a problem. More than a few newcomers will rage-quit the moment they die from a disengagement penalty, or from their perspective; no reason at all. If they keep the engagement mechanic; I suspect few people will be pleased with this game's combat. If combat weren't such a major aspect of this game that might be forgivable, but that isn't the case. Bad mechanics need to be removed. The AI doesn't react to the engagement mechanic. Nothing for the AI would need to change. OE took a huge risk introducing the engagement mechanic so they're not above taking risks. It would have been much safer to just copy/paste IE combat. Engagement isn't fundamental. It could be removed with little fanfare. It certainly would be less work than fixing it; if they even can fix it.

Melee stickiness through abilities would have been better. I think this is what we might end up getting; I really doubt that the engagement mechanic as it works now is going to be kept.

That's a really good idea.

That's true, but it's still a violation of property rights. At any rate; some one who would actually exercise that right would likely go broke anyway so... Oh well. I know it's unlikely to convince you, but American legal precedent has clearly rejected this view. Well this very informative link should settle this discussion, just because you own a property it doesn't give you the right to discriminate against people and, for example, refuse to serve them because of issues like ethnicity or sexual orientation ? This link only proves how the US govt came to violate property rights. Not that discriminating against races/sexual orientations are high up on the list of property rights to defend.

We care about this stuff.

That's true, but it's still a violation of property rights. At any rate; some one who would actually exercise that right would likely go broke anyway so... Oh well. I know it's unlikely to convince you, but American legal precedent has clearly rejected this view. Clearly they have. Hence the laws. So consider me convinced.