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Well Bioware isn't always bad. The Sky romance of Jade Empire is good IMO.

Now I'm even more exited!!!

Zwiebelchen, I thought you were out of here. Welcome back. Hah!

It's saying 9pm for me and that was more than an hour ago so who knows? Maybe Giantbomb likes Stun more than you, and are giving him earlier access!

I'm so excited! Finally, GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE FTW!

Which same gender romances do you feel were added to please SJWs?

So Zwiebelchen... Do you want poe2/poe3 to have romances? If so, why? If not, why?

I've always kinda disliked the dating-sim mini-game romances. That's kinda why I really liked the Sky romance in Jade empire. He wasn't a prize to be won. The romance was about HOW you got him to like you; not what responses WILL get him to like you. During the romance talks you could encourage him to remain "open palm" or become "closed fist". I wish Bioware had done more romances like that one. It was about role-play; not, "If I say this he won't like me! Even though my pc would never say this; I'll say it because Sky will love me." I will likely try to add romances myself to poe, and when I do; it won't be some multiple choice game.

Objectification is NOT only bad when it doesn't fit the setting! Objectification involves the disregard of a human being's dignity. That is always bad. Probably why I hate so many Animes.

When you say objectification Darji; what form of it are you referring to? I've just checked the definition of objectification, and it seems to mean treating a person as a thing; without regard for their dignity. How is disregard for people's dignity not bad?

Lephys and Hiro make me think some people will never understand each other. Why you guys even respond to each other at this point is beyond me. If I were either of you I would just have started to ignore the other.

They can't because this is a forum, but if they could; I think Hiro or Lephys would have by now.

That would be cool!

This. I'm not sure why some pro-mancers think making the romance mandatory is an even remotely good idea for a wrpg.

So, does anyone think Obsidian will add romances to poe2 to please pro-mancers? Not asking if you want them to; just if you think they will.

Those are my favorite kinds of mods too.

If western rpgs would have focused on romance; they would have just been inferior jrpgs. Who would buy that? Even if people did but them; there would be no wrpgs. The only choices would be: Jrpgs or jrpgs. Why Obsidian shouldn't make jrpgs: 1) In today's market; jrpgs are lagging behind wrpgs. 2) Obsidian has no experience in making jrpgs. 3) The jrpg market is over-saturated. 4) The developers at Obsidian like wrpgs more than jrpgs. 5) Western developers are somewhat ignored in Japan, and the jrpg market relies on Japan to a great extent.

I simply cannot properly understand the top paragraph; please re-write it. Romance and love are only important to some people, and no one says love doesn't exist in poe. Sure, you can't have a romance over the course of an adventure, but it's not like there are no relationships in the entire world.

If romances were in all rpgs people like Stun would be arguing that romances need to go away. I also suspect that crpgs never wouldn't be popular in the west. Sacrificing core content for romance back in the 1980's would have been a disaster. Jrpgs would dominate the market.

Whether or not Obsidian would make a good romance is unknown, but there is reason to think they may screw it up. There is no reason that a romance becomes shallow just because it isn't attached to the main plot. I've seen shallow romances that were attached to the main plot, and I've seen good romances that weren't. Also, please clarify something for me: When you say integrate the romance into the story are you suggesting it be a mandatory or a relevant element of the plot? That would be a complete betrayal of the IE games. Romance in the IE games are strictly a feature; putting them in as a core element would kill role-playing. Sacrificing mechanics in favor of romance is just silly. Whether or not you care about them you will be dealing with the game mechanics! Anti-mancers will not be dealing with romances even if they are implemented well; unless they are mandatory, and that ruins the game completely so that issue is moot. You think that just because the story isn't about romance its a boring 0815? Sounds like you want a jrpg; not an IE style game. Even if Obsidian decided to side with you; poe's engine is a poor choice for a jrpg. Obsidian could create a decent jrpg AT BEST. I love me a good jrpg, but they come out all the time. An IE style game; it's been a while, and I'm tired of waiting. The story in poe will likely be much more engaging than any story about romance could ever be for role-playing fans.

I guess I have your admiration, and at this point; I might need your pity.

Hiro vs Lephys STILL isn't over? That's a long argument.

All true. Doesn't change anything though. What the pro-mancers want Obsidian to sacrifice in favor of romance cannot be expected to be found in a mod at all. You tell me which you find more reasonable: A) Add romances: Core content and mechanics are sacrificed so romances can be added. The romances might not even be good, and if they aren't they can really hurt the game. Obsidian has little experience making romances. Many Obsidian fans outright dislike the presence of romances; not surprising since Obsidian isn't known for romances. Poe becomes more like a run of the mill Bioware game; which there are plenty of, and will be many more of. Very little (If any) of the content sacrificed can be added in via mod. B) Don't add romances: More/better core mechanics. No chance of hurting the game with bad romances. Pro-mancers still get romances a year or so later via mods. Yes, the good ones require a bit of work to get, but they will be available. Not to mention a decent share of pro-mancers don't have high standards and they will find a "good" romance mod quickly. Obsidian stands out as alternative to Bioware; giving the rpg market with more variety. Everyone benefits from better mechanics; only some of us benefit from romances.

I think the best mods are graphics and minor content additions like the gibberlings3 tweak pack. Though I don't use the mechanic changing mods unless they're making the game harder or making something absurdly under-powered viable. I feel the best romance mods usually involve a new npc.

While your general point is perfectly valid; it doesn't apply to the case of Alpha Protocol. Sega was not pushing Obsidian to make it's romances the way they were. I'm pretty sure Obsidian had enough creative freedom to decide much of how the romances turned out.