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I am back sooner than I expected. I also want to apologize for posting something a little depressing on a happy thread. Earlier while I was reading the thread something occurred and in a moment of foolishness I let my problem be the thread's problem. My bad; I'm sorry. It won't happen again.

I was having such a good day, and this game footage of poe was cool... It seems however, that life has chosen to kick me in the teeth just a moment ago. I won't be posting on the forums anymore for a while.

Ahhh, just like Mario and Peach. I see. I guess Link just gapes at her all the time for absolutely no reason. Not exactly. Peach at least kisses Mario once in a while, and makes him food. Zelda kinda just tells Link to go away after a Zelda game.

No. Except in the first one.

If Obsidian adopts Bioware pro-mancing it'll just become a Bioware/Obsidian hybrid. That is the Reverse Saren: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7k4vT_sZRo

The legend of Zelda has no romance between Link or Zelda. It is a purely platonic relationship.

One more thing. Even if you don't play for mechanics; you still have to deal with them. So they still matter; even to you. They need to be serviceable. And I am sure they are. For my personal taste they are already not optional since I hate real time based combat with pause function for CRPGS in the first place. Also comparing visual novels with RPGs is pretty strange since most of them do not even have RPG mechanics to begin with. Obviously the mechanics are not optional. Why would you even state something so redundant? Did you mean to put in optimal instead? You exactly prove my earlier point that since you don't like the game-play Obsidian can't possibly make a game you'd truly enjoy. You would dislike at least 90% of the game. So, why should Obsidian even care what you want when you by default won't like their game? As for the visual novel recommendation. It should be easy to understand. You don't care for game-play, but care about story exclusively; a visual novel will give you exactly what you want. No game-play; all story.

I like romances, but think Obsidian shouldn't add romances in poe. I will try to add romances to poe via mods. I do not want Obsidian to add romances in the sequels. Does that make me anti-mancer or pro-mancer?

If you ignore the Hiro vs Lephys argument which was mostly a waste of text; it isn't that long. Skip the Hiro vs Bruce which was mostly a waste of text for non-feminists; it's a pretty reasonable read.

No, Jade Empire certainly doesn't make an effort to shaft Non-Romancers. However, having played the game as a Male and Female character, it certainly does feel the need to constantly remind you that romance is certainly an option if you want it. Don't get me wrong, I love Jade Empire and I love its characters. I'm not even particularly against the idea of romance in video games, but it can be so overbearing sometimes that I just begin to feel so.... Violated. I know what you mean; that was especially true in ME2/ME3. Still, I think Jade Empire handled it pretty well.

There's that game again... Are they though? This is an actual question... I understand that romances these days tend to consist of romantic dialogue, something that no Non-Romancer should be interested in certainly, but how much content do they get in comparison? Look at Jacob Taylor in Mass Effect 2. I haven't particularly taken the time to count the lines, but the amount of dialogue a Player receives for simply romancing him is un-freaking-believable. It is almost double the dialogue content than you get if you remain strictly friends with him. The same can be said of Subject Zero, Jack, from the same game. Do you know how much dialogue you get with Alistair in Dragon Age Origins if you romance him? Almost double. The only game Bioware haven't effectively shafted a Non-Romancing Player Character, to my personal knowledge, is in Hordes of the Underdark. And before anyone jumps on the Bioware Bile Band-Wagon. Obsidian also did this in Neverwinter Nights 2, the Original Campaign AND Mask of the Betrayer, though it was definitely to a far lesser degree than Bioware. Yes, it's purely "romantic" dialogue and it's perfectly optional. But "optional" doesn't necessarily make it okay. /Opinions. Jade Empire didn't really shaft non-romancers. That however, is the exception not the rule.

I know you would. That's why you should play a visual novel instead of an rpg. One more thing. Even if you don't play for mechanics; you still have to deal with them. So they still matter; even to you.

I know you would. That's why you should play a visual novel instead of an rpg.

Many of the people who are upset that poe will not have romance seem to be a crowd who hardly care about the mechanics. I happen to be a fan of good romances AND good mechanics. At least for poe1 these two things are mutually exclusive. Even if the anti-mechanics brand of pro-mancers got their way; they would only "sorta" like poe. They would enjoy the romances if they were well written (which would absolutely not be a sure thing); they would feel the mechanics are boring and tedious (especially if they are gimp from making the romances), and be frustrated at how boring 90% of the game is. People like Stun (who is an almost perfect representative of Obsidian core fan-base; proven by the fact almost all Obsidian games don't have romances) would hate the game. Also important is that the pro-mancers can get one of the many pro-mance rpgs that come out EVERY YEAR! If Obsidian does as it has done; people like Stun get exactly what they want, and are completely happy with it. Anti-mechanic Pro-mancers may be disappointed, but they will still have the mods. Not to mention they weren't ever really going to be happy with poe anyway; even in the not-for-sure event Obsidian wrote them well.

This has also been a point of contention and annoyance for me. We know all Romance is optional but people act they are being forced to partake. And trust me I have heard the counterpoint to this, its "but we don't want resources committed to Romance when they can be spent on other things in the game, so I still don't want Romance even if its optional " Oh welcome to the forums If you want to be entertained wait till Hiro and Lephys start debating later on, its unlike anything you have ever seen before It's not just a loss of resources; it's a loss of resources that affect everyone! The loss of romance is tough for people like Darji. Worse/simpler mechanics is bad for people like Darji AND people like Stun. Also, as I have mentioned repeatedly; we can easily mod in romances, but not core functions or areas.

Some people have in fact suggested it should be effectively mandatory.

Dude, it's an IE game successor.They were RTwP!

Well Bioware isn't always bad. The Sky romance of Jade Empire is good IMO.

Now I'm even more exited!!!

Zwiebelchen, I thought you were out of here. Welcome back. Hah!

It's saying 9pm for me and that was more than an hour ago so who knows? Maybe Giantbomb likes Stun more than you, and are giving him earlier access!

I'm so excited! Finally, GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE FTW!

Which same gender romances do you feel were added to please SJWs?

So Zwiebelchen... Do you want poe2/poe3 to have romances? If so, why? If not, why?

I've always kinda disliked the dating-sim mini-game romances. That's kinda why I really liked the Sky romance in Jade empire. He wasn't a prize to be won. The romance was about HOW you got him to like you; not what responses WILL get him to like you. During the romance talks you could encourage him to remain "open palm" or become "closed fist". I wish Bioware had done more romances like that one. It was about role-play; not, "If I say this he won't like me! Even though my pc would never say this; I'll say it because Sky will love me." I will likely try to add romances myself to poe, and when I do; it won't be some multiple choice game.