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So a finished product (the one on the DVD) is not the finished product because it misses a patch? Now that is something i do not understand.

Its funny how it hurts me to see that you say that about Dark Age bards when it was Everquest Bards who were copied by Dark Age ... But back to topic i think that description was already during the kickstarter campaign, so way outdated maybe, but not really sure.

Maybe you tried installing the 64 Bit Version of Windows 7, which actually cannot run on that processor, however the x86 version should run (the x64 key will work for the x86 version too however its a diffrent DVD)

And that's wrong again. There is no backlash about that. There is a backlash about Obsidian not letting the backers play the game (earlier) as well. The copy that reviewers/streamers got was not the finished product. You'd rather have what they got than the finished product? Help me understand why? It quite looks like the finished product, they are not allowed to go past act I on stream/vids, but it is in there and they can play to the end before release day is what i assume there.

I say they could have thought about release a while ... and i will take a fiery brand or a torch and wield it in game on the 27th

Granted it's not like they sat there thinking how can they screw over their backers. But it does show that we meant so little to them that we were just some faceless mob who would be happy with being shoved aside and told "yeah, no, you guys did your bit you gave us the money now sod off and wait your turn" How can anyone in the industry still to this day after everything that is changing not pick up on why you put fans first. Yep, they sat around a table and thought "those scummy backers, we're going to screw them over by giving them their game on the release date. That'll show those bastards!" Nothing I say is going to convince you so I'm done here, but people reading this thread can make their own minds up as to whether this situation really offends them. *shrug* I backed the game because I wanted to see it made and I wanted the promised goodies. I got both. If I expected a lot more than what I was promised, I'm sure I'd have been disappointed, too. Oh wow Thank you for confirming that my signed collectors edition will arrive at my home in europe on the 26th But jokes aside, things happen, people get disappointed by things and post things. So deal with things but stay friendly.

I was referring to the digital rewards since those are the ones non-backers can opt to get along with the game. You do also forget that we spent our money on a chance to get a game. Kickstarters do fail and you get nothing for your money. So there is more involved than getting the game cheaper, it is making the game more likely to be released, but still you put your money out there at a risk. Maybe some look at this like a producer, you gave them the money beforehand and you would expect to get to see the results (or in this case play) before others who did not put their investment into the game at a risk.

Well this forum is for PoE and i know that the pc vs console posts could go on forever and longer so i will stop here as my view will not change not will i change vies of others and this is not the forum to idly discuss this. I am very glad that we get Pillars cause it brings back a lot to gaming that was missing for me and to me Bloodborne is on a different system that i do not own and do not care about so the release date should not influence Pillars from my point of view.

Well Bloodborne is a videogame and not a pc game and therefor not interesting to me. Sorry but i have been pc gaming since like 1990. For me it does not qualify as a RPG. For that matter the Witcher 3 does not too, Controller recommended in a rpg? A set main character i cannot create myself ? Sorry don't see any appeal in that. But yeah its much more rpg than an action game as Bloodborne, so it should not affect pillars as its released on a very limited and inferior platform only. I feel really sorry for you that you feel that way But that is the mentality that PC gamers are known for - it's not on PC, therefore it's not worth my time. We've gotta change that, or people will think we're all a bunch of elitist douches. I tried many console games, i had a ps2, ps3 and xbox, xbox 360 too. I just never really used them other than for some exclusives i was hyped about. The problem is that the games are not as fun as they used to be. They seem dumbed down both in content and controls and not only for consoles but for cross platform releases too. Even more so now on almost all games cause it seems to have set a standard. You know that is exactly why i backed Pillars and i did that with 290$, because there is a promise to bring back the deeper games. While i see many great stories in games now, like dragon age inquisition, it hurts me to play that game. It does not feel like a rpg or even a full game to me with out stats to assign and real skills and when i am limited to 8 skill buttons suddenly (when i had basically unlimited in the first part) i feel cheated. Yes its more easy to get into that game, but then it is shallow. Also we have been very limited in all aspects cause of the consoles, be it gameplay or graphics. Since the playstation any console hardware was at least a year behind pc hardware on release, sometimes even more and yes that also counts for the ps4 and ps3. Why is complexity inherently better? I don't really want to debate this with you or anyone (sorry, I just don't) but honestly, really sit and think about that one. I'm not saying complex games are inherently worse, either. But having played games for over 3 decades now, I don't necessarily think more options = better game. I think that's an extremely limited way of looking at games, RPGs or otherwise. A game is an experience. Everything - the UI, the gameplay, the graphics, the sound, etc. - all of those things help build that experience, nothing more. The complexity of the UI, the number of skills you can use at any given time - all of these elements are pretty much aribitrary in an objective sense. They are experience-building tools. You may be used to certain aspects and facets of these genres, sure, and it's certainly understandable for someone to lament the diminishment of a feature they are used to and they enjoy, but please recognize that's all it is. There is nothing inherently better about complexity, there is nothing inherently better about a KBAM setup, and there certainly is nothing inherently better about a PC over a console. That is a very valid view of looking at that, but it is just there where i feel the limits. The UI is not as well thought out as it could be. The experience is dimmed by the controller support ( have you seen skyrims inventory ?). And actually PCs do have much stronger hardware than consoles and way more options so yes they are inherently better.

Well Bloodborne is a videogame and not a pc game and therefor not interesting to me. Sorry but i have been pc gaming since like 1990. For me it does not qualify as a RPG. For that matter the Witcher 3 does not too, Controller recommended in a rpg? A set main character i cannot create myself ? Sorry don't see any appeal in that. But yeah its much more rpg than an action game as Bloodborne, so it should not affect pillars as its released on a very limited and inferior platform only. I feel really sorry for you that you feel that way But that is the mentality that PC gamers are known for - it's not on PC, therefore it's not worth my time. We've gotta change that, or people will think we're all a bunch of elitist douches. I tried many console games, i had a ps2, ps3 and xbox, xbox 360 too. I just never really used them other than for some exclusives i was hyped about. The problem is that the games are not as fun as they used to be. They seem dumbed down both in content and controls and not only for consoles but for cross platform releases too. Even more so now on almost all games cause it seems to have set a standard. You know that is exactly why i backed Pillars and i did that with 290$, because there is a promise to bring back the deeper games. While i see many great stories in games now, like dragon age inquisition, it hurts me to play that game. It does not feel like a rpg or even a full game to me with out stats to assign and real skills and when i am limited to 8 skill buttons suddenly (when i had basically unlimited in the first part) i feel cheated. Yes its more easy to get into that game, but then it is shallow. Also we have been very limited in all aspects cause of the consoles, be it gameplay or graphics. Since the playstation any console hardware was at least a year behind pc hardware on release, sometimes even more and yes that also counts for the ps4 and ps3. I backed PoE with the equivalent of $370. I loved Dragon Age: Inquisition and put 160 hours into it. I think Witcher 3 and Bloodborne are RPGs, and look forward to playing them all, just as I will enjoy Pillars. We are in a time where there is a greater breadth and depth of games than there has ever been, even if some genres have fallen by the wayside - but those genres are now coming back via indie and crowdfunding initiatives. By all indications, we are in a golden age or renaissance of gaming. We have literally never had it better, and it seems to only be getting better. Perspective, it's what's for dinner. I do have over a hundred hours in inquisition too as it is not a bad game, i just can see that it could have been so much more. I love being a gamer at this time, but i so often see the chance for greatness wasted in games. And yeah i am very glad for these Kickstarter campaigns, so happy i backed Divinity Original Sin, Torment, Star Citizen and Pillars to name a few. Still in my experience all we get from cross platform and console games is worse games, not to start on mobiles games ...

Yeah .. if only i could not see others playing the game i so long for ... and yes i watch twitch daily ...

And again for you: you can't and shouldn't compare crowdfunded games and how to mange them to publisher financed games. Completely different playing ground. If you don't see that you're the one with the stupid opinion. The terms under which you crowdfunded it were clear and unequivocal from the start. Obsidian never promised you that you would get the game earlier than other customers, they never even hinted that you would get unspecified perks beyond those which you paid for, and they never said they would suspend marketing activities to appease your sense of justice. You are a customer, not a patron of the arts or a stakeholder. If you misunderstood what your backing meant, that's not Obisidian's fault. They did not say i would get my collecters edition weeks later also though.

Well Bloodborne is a videogame and not a pc game and therefor not interesting to me. Sorry but i have been pc gaming since like 1990. For me it does not qualify as a RPG. For that matter the Witcher 3 does not too, Controller recommended in a rpg? A set main character i cannot create myself ? Sorry don't see any appeal in that. But yeah its much more rpg than an action game as Bloodborne, so it should not affect pillars as its released on a very limited and inferior platform only. I feel really sorry for you that you feel that way But that is the mentality that PC gamers are known for - it's not on PC, therefore it's not worth my time. We've gotta change that, or people will think we're all a bunch of elitist douches. I tried many console games, i had a ps2, ps3 and xbox, xbox 360 too. I just never really used them other than for some exclusives i was hyped about. The problem is that the games are not as fun as they used to be. They seem dumbed down both in content and controls and not only for consoles but for cross platform releases too. Even more so now on almost all games cause it seems to have set a standard. You know that is exactly why i backed Pillars and i did that with 290$, because there is a promise to bring back the deeper games. While i see many great stories in games now, like dragon age inquisition, it hurts me to play that game. It does not feel like a rpg or even a full game to me with out stats to assign and real skills and when i am limited to 8 skill buttons suddenly (when i had basically unlimited in the first part) i feel cheated. Yes its more easy to get into that game, but then it is shallow. Also we have been very limited in all aspects cause of the consoles, be it gameplay or graphics. Since the playstation any console hardware was at least a year behind pc hardware on release, sometimes even more and yes that also counts for the ps4 and ps3.

Actually by not releasing it to its backers and fans first - it shows they have no confidence in the game. Because you know ... the people who bought the game would be playing it and streaming it themselves - then give the Media the same access. You would get way more vote of confidence by word of mouth - Already I am telling my friends who haven't bought it not to bother buying the game because they don't respect their fans. I do not think its about having no confidence in the game, i just think obsidian is very new to Kickstarter and lacks really on communication with the backers in some regards. Star Citizen is a good example of how it can be done a bit closer to the backers. Also i do not think that they thought of a way to give backers their games on steam without giving it to preorder customers on steam as well.

The massive amount of sales Steam does is anti-consumerist? There's not much anti-consumerist about Steam beyond its terrible customer support. I'd say the indefensible difference in regional pricing is just about as anti-consumerist as it gets. GoG does that particular one so much better, by offering you a coupon worth whatever you pay in excess, that you can redeem on your next purchase. Just think about it, some people cannot pay as much for games as most of us can. Now steam could sell them the games for the same price as to everyone else, but in those countries games would be for the elite only. So its not that we pay more, its they pay less. In my book thats very much pro consumer. Anti consumer would be abusing that and getting the games for the cheaper price and hurting the guys making the games with that. The real problem is that we cannot buy some games in germany even though we are mature and they do block the activation of those games here. Sophistry. I currently live in Canada. So, where's my 20% regional pricing difference? Or 25% from Europe? Or 50% if it's coming from Britain? We do pay more for most things because we can. Clearly you're unfamiliar with entities like Pricing Boards. You know why milk is so expensive? Because they charge us based on what we can pay. Same with Maple Syrup and all manner of things. Did you know just before Al Capone got busted he actually bought a dairy farm because he realized the markup on dairy was greater than it was on booze. In fact, he famously said, 'We've been in the wrong racket all along!' and a racket it is. Did you know there's a 'strategic maple syrup reserve'? Seriously And it's legal. They hold back millions of gallons of the stuff in order to inflate prices. A few years back the mob was actually stealing the stuff to sell on the black market - Google it if you don't believe me. So, why then should we have to pay more for the exact same product? It's a virtual product. People cross border shop for better deals all the time. So why not on the internet? Actually you can, if it's coming from China. I order a lot of stuff from China directly these days because I get it for about 1/10th of the price I do here and I get it with free expedited shipping - something you don't get in Canada from the US or Europe. Yet, I'm supposed to pay $60 or $70 for a video game just because I can? That doesn't sound like any Free Market I've ever heard of. The Free Market is the best product and/or service for the lowest possible price. So where is this exactly? Why do the corporations get to benefit from this and not us? Because it cuts into their bottom line? Because then they'd only make reasonable profits instead of insane ones? GabeN is a billionaire there guy. He doesn't need our money but he sure seems to enjoy forcing us to give it to him. Take our business somewhere else then? Where? Where else? Uplay? Origin? Or any other digital delivery service that has terms DICTATED by publishers that amount the same anti-consumerist policies and practices? Show me where this magical digital distributor exists and I'll go there and buy from them Telling consumers what they may or may not do with their purchase, or worse still, how they're allowed to purchase it, is as anti-consumerist as you get. To that i have to agree, i was referring to actual lower income countries that have been abused by key resellers. If you earn 1k$ or 10k$ a month on avg. should not matter for your gaming prices. Maybe even in the "third world" countries it should not be that much cheaper as the poor would not be able to afford a pc anyways. But yeah its still more likely there that you do not have nearly as much disposable income there as here and lower pricing there gives consumers the chance to stay out of piracy. Steam is pretty harmless compared to TV and other media though. Why can't i watch doctor who when its being broadcasted .. or game of thrones or anything really? Well my point is, the lines between helping a country with very low avg. income and abusing consumers is very thin and often crossed, yet the idea behind it is not anti consumer to begin with, it is just being abused and yeah we in Germany pay more too.

Well Bloodborne is a videogame and not a pc game and therefor not interesting to me. Sorry but i have been pc gaming since like 1990. For me it does not qualify as a RPG. For that matter the Witcher 3 does not too, Controller recommended in a rpg? A set main character i cannot create myself ? Sorry don't see any appeal in that. But yeah its much more rpg than an action game as Bloodborne, so it should not affect pillars as its released on a very limited and inferior platform only.

I completely understand your anger, but if backers waited like,2.5 years for the game, I don't see why they can't wait a few more days. Waiting a year or a few is not hard. It just get hards when you do wait all this time and then suddenly you see many others play the game you have not even seen like that in beta .. and oh those guys did not even wait a month or week for the game .... so yeah then it gets hard .. cause of the hype

Yeaaahhh, the whiny rage I've seen here today is just making me shake my head. It's just a game. It's not life saving medicine. Chill and just enjoy something else for a while. For some there is not much more to life than games.

This is why people need to stop developing content on the West Coast. They need to move to australia ...today .. and valve too!

And in my world LOL still stands for Lands of Lore! Well what else would it stand for?

And i think of Power over Ethernet ... thats even older xd

Bad publicity? They announced the game will be out by the 26th and it will be, so far as I know. Deal with it dude, this has been known for months. They also said the keys would be out 'probably Monday or Tuesday' so they have one more day (PST of course) to get us our keys. well they also said we would get our physical goods on day 1... and i just read now on the 91 Update page that there were problems... fazit: bakers get their physical goods later than amazon buyers, sry man, but not fair (i know i know, there can always be problems and whining gets me nothing) buuuut: 1. Better communication would have helped (Mostly about shiping issue) 2. 1Day prerelease would be a nice guesture thats what i mean with bad publicity, making the people angry that made the project possible IS bad publicity... Well even more regarding customers in Europe since it seems we were never meant to get the physical rewards on time.

The worst part actually is that i will be playing D&D on the 26th when it releases! So can load it fine till the 27th when i can finally play...

If it can run XP then it should be able to run Windows 8 or 10 too, you could install the Windows 10 beta version as a second OS if nothing else helps.

Their time or ours?