Gromnir

You know, the one thing you can guarantee with someone that replies over and over without thinking is that eventually they won't have clue what they are saying. Or were you ameliorating your position as it weakened? This was my point all along. I said "medicore", a zillion posts later you finally get to "mild". Whereas you were maintaining... Just a mere hair's breadth from a super-duper-mega-incredible hit, apparently. 'Bye. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> well, to be fair, vol did note that the evidence being presented suggested that AT WORST je were a mild success. is not really the same as saying that a game were mediocre in sales. *shrug* 'ccording to fergie, pos sales numbers that typically is used when talking' bout how well a game sold only represent 1/2 o' total world sales. so we can probably assume that pos numbers for je were at 250,000 units. what kinda pos numbers you need to be a success for a major xbox release? heck if Gromnir knows. 250k kicks the arse o' games like fallout and ps:t over same 'mount o' time, but those were pc games. so how do we figure out what is succesful for xbox? regardless, bioware has this strange capacity for self-delusion that surprises Gromnir given how they otherwise seem so business savy. how many folks utilized the mp aspects o' nwn? how many folks bought je? even so, da developers is gonna spend huge resources on mp aspects and there will probably be a je2. ... are you familiar w/ Silverado... 1985 kasdan western. kevin kline plays a character named paden or payden or somesuch. folks who once rode with paden always asks him 'bout "the dog." seems that paden, an otherwise reasonable guy, has this habit o' adopting hopless critters/causes. Cobb: Well, Tyree was pretty mad when he got up, and, being Tyree, he shot the dog. Didn't kill him, though. The next thing you know, Paden's down off his horse, and he's holdin' this dog, sayin' we should go on without him. I thought he was kidding, except he wasn't. Tyree was ready to plug 'em both - all this with the posse ridin' down on us. (Paden has entered) Cobb: I thought we were pals after all that riding we did together. All of a sudden he's worried about some mutt. Well, we did like he asked. We left him, and he went to jail for a dog. You want to hear the funny part? Paden didn't even like that damn dog. Paden: It evened out in the end. They locked me up; the dog sprung me. ... am not sure whether we should applaud bio or mock 'em. they seems reasonable, but somehow they lets themselves get attached to some lousy mutt and they go all ornery & stoopid on us... is the kinda stubborn stoopid Gromnir can appreciate and relate to, but that not make bio any less reckless. HA! Good Fun!

overseer was not one person... was a title/identity/mask for a number o' black isle folks who would choose to excercise some authority on the boards. HA! Good Fun!

brevity is something we never managed, but at least we avoided the slap happy spamming o' some folks mentioned above. HA! Good Fun!

"...again, Klown tries to cloud o'er issue he hisself brought to table...quote:" actually, you brought it up. you insisted that Gromnir had misinterpred or misrepresented your post... when we din't even respond to you. suck it up and deal with it or quit complaining 'bout stuff you initiated. as to your notions 'bout fallout, "...Fallout, as wit' PS:T, didna sell in its first two quarters;" says who? desslock's numbers not agree, but if it is true then we is quite happy to agree that fallout were a commercial failure... 'cause 'Gromnir has been for years saying that fallout weren't the success that fallout fans seemed to believe. am not getting what point you is trying to make at this point. HA! Good Fun!

um, you is the guy who got caught in the nonsense loop, not Gromnir... you gotta learn to pay closer attention. thought you were being attacked and then found out that you didn't even merit our direct consideration. am not sure why you ain't used to such humblings by now... would be best to just accept. "so the "two quarter" rule doesna apply ta Fallout, then???... " you really is a putz ain't you? as we already noted, fallout sales for first six months and first year were BETTER than ps:t... and ps:t were a HUGE release, bigger than fallout. why you seem to wanna insist that ps:t and fallout were same with same sales is beyond Gromnir, but regardless, based on your feeble and diminishing responses we suspect that you is just posting outta pride or somesuch... "...how many explanations ye need ta see there be more than jus' "Black & White"???...PS:T failed on one front, yet survives on many others..." oh, so the game failed Interplay and Black Isle, but 'cause sargy likes it the game still got validity? however, we does agree that ps:t influence survives. "here there be dragons," was an old warning on maps to let folks know that they were at the edge o' the world and that dangers lurked beyond. ps:t serves the same purpose. it failed so spectacularly that no developer wishes to go beyond or even mimic as it sends them into dangerous and uncharted waters. HA! Good Fun!

"The only game that drawn "inspiration" from it was SW:KotOR2:TSL." that is not true. whenever bio or obsidian or bis made a game post planescape, they would always observe that the dialogue, while substantial, would not be as extensive as ps:t. this was done to reassure fans... so ps:t has inspired many folks NOT to do certain things in current and future projects. HA! Good Fun!

"...umm, yes, you was; hence why ya spent most o' yer previous post arguin' me point that PS:T sold pretty well o'er time, jus' not right outta the gate...yer hypocrisy's as sharp as e'er, I sees, Klown... " you got problems. see Gromnir's behind every corner? get help. is nothing we replied to specific in your posts. is a small group o' misguided yutzs that were repeating largely the same or similar nonsense and we replied to the group o' you. if we were had been responding to you direct, you would have know it by fact that we were pointing out how you is one of only two folks we has ever identified as a dumbarse on these boards... or by offering you a tissue, or by the way we point out how you not know the meanings of half the words you use, or by noting oddities 'bout your posting style and how you not start out posting thusly. happy now? also, while fallout did substantially better than ps:t during its first year (is a nice desslock article that breaks down various crpg using point o' sales figures,) it were not a particularly successful game. weren't a failure, but it... well, why don't we let a former interplay employee set you straight. http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic...ighlight=#23414 "...an' noone 'ere denies that PS:T failed commercially...so yer beatin' a dead horse that e'eryone seen from the beginnin'...again, same ol' Klown... " so why do you and others keep trying to convince self that there is some special difference 'tween a complete failure and a failure? ps:t failed. it hurt interplay. interplay were a company in the business o' making money for its shareholders, and in that regard, ps:t failed and failed miserably. oh and the fact that a double handful o' people still talk 'bout planescape is meaningless. hardcore fans on the arse end of cyberspace talking 'bout a cult classic? yeah, and you can find websites dedicated to Battlefield Earth fandom too. eventual profit and not complete failure? HA! powdered sugar HA! Good Fun!

Corner or safety? If you say corner, I'll ask why you couldn't just learn how to catch the ball and play receiver. If you say safety, I'll start to suspect you're lifting dialogue from Training Day. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you gonna have to fill us in on the ref to Training Day. while our football incompetence is something we never talk 'bout in rl (save to some small group o' close friends,) on the Co6 we shared our public humiliation, so helpfully broadcast by espn, some number o years ago... long before Training Day were made. and no, Gromnir weren't a corner. never had loose hips and our speed as far as pac ten dbs went, were sub par. we played best close to the line. were the third strongest guy on the team (regardless of size) and we helped keep up team gpa, but otherwise... HA! Good Fun!

"And Gromnir, I'm not saying it was a commercial success. But it would have been even worse for Interplay if it never broke even. It could have been a bigger failure. On a final note, if the game did indeed turn a profit, then they could have survived if that's the only ROI they ever got." if interplay were a small & private developer your observation would be valid. unfortunately, interplay were a large developer with publicly traded stock and shareholders 'n such. roi must be w/i first two quarters and bare naked profit 2 years after the fact just ain't enough to stay afloat for entities like interplay for reasons stated above and elsewhere. eventual profitability, in point of fact, were almost meaningless to anybody save for fergie and fans o' planescape. powdered sugar HA! Good Fun!

Who was I defending? I am just saying nobody's getting tortured. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> seems to be some confusion here... which is ok with Gromnir. HA! Good Fun!

possibly the worst single game performance by a defensive back at Cal in the past 40 years belongs to yours truly. HA! Good Fun!

"where, in me entire post, did I say PS:T was a commercial success???..." don't be such a narcissist. we were not addressing your post specifically. nevertheless, if a game doesn't sell in the first two quarters it is a failure. if after a couple o' years has elapsed and your development money woulda' been better invested in mutual funds, then you is a colossal failure. if you finally manage to turn a profit after you has reduced sale cost to $9.99 and are selling the game bundled with soul caliber, then you is talking 'bout ps:t... and you is now trying to sprinkle powdered sugar on a big stinky pile o' crap. ps:t were a commercial failure... period. interplay could not stay in business making games like ps:t, and regardless how much some o' you folks really loved the game not make a bit o' difference to the investors who were looking at the quarterly report. blame on the evils o

that is a relief. for a second we thought our midwestern values might get the better of us... show respect for our elders in spite of our better judgment and all that crap. however, seeing as how Gromnir is almost 3 weeks older than you... go fetch Gromnir his slippers and newspaper, and fluff up our pillow too... junior. HA! Good Fun!

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we suspect that pretty near 100% of the ones proclaiming its greatness played it... but as you know (and are wont to do often 'nuff,) folks often proclaim greatness of things just 'cause they likes it. HA! Good Fun!

ps:t did crap for interplay. sold well over time? at what percentage of original cost? over a substantial period of time, ps:t finally managed to break even. that is NOT a good business investment. for chrissakes, if you is better off having put the same money into a conservative mutual fund then you is not any kind of success. in the real world, games got 2 quarters to make an impact. if they don't, then they is a Commercial Failure. in spite of fergie number fumblings, ps:t were a dog... a major release for interplay that ended up hurting the company... which is why he kept making iwd stuff instead of doing a ps:t or fallout sequel. like ps:t or don

over = higher education under = the inclusion of elastic in underwear HA! Good Fun!

for the norsemen, we would much prefer led zeppelin's immigrant song... am showing our age again. *sigh* HA! Good Fun!

"I think a lot of the criticisms so far mentioned about K2 have been well founded. I think the principle problem with the game is in the core philosphical theme behind it. That theme is nihilism (nothingness; no moral truths). It's not a feel good philosophy and most people don't like supporting it. I would't willingly seek out a study in nihilism when looking for an enjoyable game. Basing a game on nothing just doesn't work. People leave the game feeling unsatisfied from the experience." your take on kotor2 seems a bit... shallow. in any event, we thinks that robert e. howard and the first conan movie and numerous recent fantasy novels has been quite successful BECAUSE of their worship at the altar o' nietzsche. frank miller is having a bit o' a renaissance too, no? The Dark Knight Returns crpg style? yum. matthew woodring stover and steven erikson is just a couple o' the newer fantasy/sci-fi authors that has embraced howard's legacy as 'posed the tolkienesque stuff that has been recycled so often over the past 6 decades, and while their works is hardly perfect, they has sold... very well. am not sure, but we thinks stover has actually done a star wars novelization. the hero who determines his own fate... what can be more optimistic than that?

doesn't seem any quiter to Gromnir, but we is also using louder stuff in the new case... is lots o' sonata ii reviews out there, and they all is pretty much compare & contrast to the original sonata. HA! Good Fun!

is the ps 380w or 450w? unless you changed ps, bigger is newer. HA! Good Fun!

I saw Gromnir posted in the song lyrics thread, and I figured it had to be good. I have to say, I'm a little dissapointed, but it was entertaining. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> weren't meant to be deep or anything... just posted for the chuckle value. have always had a soft spot for "i am the walrus" as it were a song written to belittle and berate folks like bob dylan and allen ginsberg... and others who string together nonsense images and calls it art. I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly. I

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lesson learned from last few rig building experiences: pay $40 to some mom & pop computer service shop, and let them build your rig. HA! Good Fun!