Gromnir

we keep within 10 years. anachronox were better and diablo 2 were better at being the kinda game oblivion tries to be. other than bg1, iwd2 and how, we prefer every crpg made by bis and bioware to oblivion.... which is quite a list in and of itself. add in fallout as it were pre-bis. we took the dare and named far more than 1. HA! Good Fun!

Sometimes they fall for thier own hype. There are two factors when it comes to Bioware though. 1. They got very luck with Interplay and BG1/2. 2. They have had the CRPG field more or less to themselves for quite a number of years. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you ignore reality. bis didn't have as much luck with interplay as did bio? HA! and there weren't a flood of crpgs following diablo, the game that resurrected the genre? most of 'em is so bad that you don't recall maybe. and let us not forget that bio released far more than bg1 + bg2, and sales for almost all has been very good... excepting mdk2 and je. the bio fanboi thing is as incomprehensible to us as is the people who insist on ignoring what bio has accomplished. you both gots your dogma. HA! Good Fun!

"So let me help you with the thinking part. It means that it looks like Bioware is wasting a lot more resources on marketing/developing their next console action RPG than on their next PC title. " and you arrive at such a conclusion 'cause the me site has more stuff on it, right? *snort* again, as we noted only a post ago, the da undertaking is Huge in scope, and they not even has settled on a publisher. they not necessarily have neither 'nuff material to be worth revealing, and they very likely got reasons to not wanting to step on toes of the eventual publisher... a publisher who typically handles the release o' such info. is all kinds of likely reasons for not making more info readily available, but somehow a handful of smart guys reach the most dubious of conclusions. the way some folks arrive at conclusions w/o any kinda support save for their gut boggles the mind. *shrug* you can't fight the conspiracy theorists. HA! Good Fun!

am not sure what that proves. spend 20 minutes reading the da boards and you can see that the developers is working on the title... and actually responding to fan questions. the fact that the da site is offering ups a paucity o' info means what to you? means that bio ain't working on da? heck, bg3 never had a site, so we guess josh should quit bitching 'bout that title getting killed 'cause it never really existed and nobody were really working on it anyways, yes? that being said, Gromnir does wonder if bio is trying to become the sisyphus of the game development world. nwn were not the failure some suggest, but it were not the game bio hoped it would be. even so, bio spent 5 years on a game that were incomplete in every aspect. the biowarians, post nwn, admitted that they tried to do too much in creating a compelling sp crpg & a toolset & dm client. too much... somewhere maj. general stanislaw sosabowski were turning in his grave. so what is they doing for da? the same damn thing. 'stead of trying to makes a really good sp game or mp platform, they is again trying to do both... but this time they is gonna improve sp campaign by making it shorter. ... we like the biowarians well enough, but sometimes we wonder if they is completely oblivious... kinda likes how they insist that je were a wonderful selling game and the start of a grand new franchise. HA! Good Fun!

am not sure we needed 'nother oblivion thread... not for this. in any event, we is not a huge fan of oblivion, and we see some major flaws in it, but it were not a badly made game... not for what it were 'posed to be. it were kinda a diablo 2 + sidequests... and given the popularity of diablo 2 we not see that as a bad thing. also, right now there is 0 single player crpgs available other than oblivion, so bethesda gots that going for 'em too. is not a terrible game for what it trys to be... but even so, it has 'nuff Big flaws that we has a hard time understanding the typical reviews we seen from most notable sites. is too many reviews that is claiming that oblivion is perfect or near perfect. worst game evar? not even close... though reading codex might make you think so. best game in 10 years? again, not even close... though reading the reviews might give you that impression. is an okie dokie action-rpg at a time when nothing else is on the menu, and for those famished fans who is seemingly hungry 'nuff to thinks that those cheeseburgers with the grey meat and stale bun served in your average public school cafeteria is gourmet fare, oblivion is a satisfying morsel. it is what it is. HA! Good Fun!

"This is not balance, this is creating a pointless game mechanic." well actually, in point o' fact, the point of the mechanic is to keep the game challenging regardless of level... so yeah, the mechanic does have a point, and it is balance. however, we recognize a problem or two... 1) the balance is such a blunt and inelegant tool that it leads to often ridiculous results that put too much strain on the credulity of many players. 2) it doesn't work. the first problem ain't an issue for Gromnir, but it coulda' been easily avoided by bethesda even so. scale encounters has one key use: to keep game challenging throughout the lifespan of game. the tool they use to achieve their end is to scale EVERY encounter. fight in the arena at level 1? fine, is a level 1 encounter. fight a highwayman who wants 100gp from you when you is level 20 and the brigand is likely to be wearing a king's ransom in glass armour. these kinda results bother some folks. so, how you avoid? add a basement and/or a ceiling on various encounter types. maybe the random brigand encounter never becomes tougher than an encounter scaled for level 10... but it can scale down to level 1. the arena, on the other hand, might start scale at minimum level 10... and go up from there so that a level 20 character would still feel appropriately challenged, but that a level 5 character would probably have to cheat to make it through the arena. implementation of such a simple measure would, for most people, solve the big issues they gots with scale... while some peoples would still complain that they were not feeling appropriately invulnerable at late stages of game, and were unable t find disproportionately powerful equipment at low levels

after playing 20 minutes with an archer/mage, we realized that w/o sneak such a character would pretty much be a waste. start over. HA! Good Fun!

christ had the good fortune and foresight to be killed thousands of years ago... so that the Truth 'bout his life will never be a matter of certainty. all religions require the Mystery aspect, and too much reality can spoil that for people. am not gonna resurrect the scientology thread, but we thinks that one reason why a guy like l. ron hubbard could never really get his religion to be mainstream is that too many people have access to too much info about him and his church. there is court documents and school transcripts and military records and all sorts of other bits o' info that most of us consider to be beyond reproach that suggest that l. ron hubbard were possessed of more than his share of petty human frailties and shortcomings. is much harder to deify somebody today than it is to deify somebody who lived long before 60 minutes and the washing post. regardless, is the idea we has faith in far more than it is the men. is gonna take far more than a single really old manuscript to change the idea of christianity. now maybe if christ had been a teenage girl we could possibly find his diary

am not sure we ever saw a +5. maybe we gots a +4 once... or twice, but usually it were +2 and +3. typically we used conjure, alteration, restoration and destruction... though we had a hard time getting destruction to level up at anywhere near the rate o' the others. blade and light armour did not advance at quite the rate of our other skills 'cause we typically were running away and our endurance and health stank so we could't afford to engage in combat to improve those skills and their linked attributes... 'cause we would be dead if we tried to do so. wasted some few points on personality 'fore we realized how useless it were... and how using speechcraft were actually hurting us. am not quite sure how the level-up process worked, so we couldn't really meta if we wished to. seemed likes we gots more quick leveling for using weaker destruction spells many times than we did for using powerful destrucion spells to kill enemies quick. on the other hand, we seemed to gets conjuration to level more quickly by conjuring as powerful a critter as possible. summon one of those bipedal crocodiles once were getting us more juice than summoning skeletons over and over. the whole process were... odd. HA! Good Fun!

is a poof detection device. you cannot imagine just how many people before you has tried to do the mockery through mimicry thing. congrats. so, why not share with us your list o' interesting characters from oblivion. is a huge game so there should no doubt have been a few opportunities for some characters worthy of noting... characters that gives you your apparent hope for da future. as we said, we didn't finish, so perhaps we missed the good stuff that they no doubt saved for the last 2/3 of game. we can points to characters from all kinds of crpgs that we has not played in many years as being examples of intriguing characters, but the game we only were playing last week we cannot recollect a single beastie or personage we would hold up as the kinda character we would like to see more of in a future game... which is very odd for a crpg, 'cause story being advanced through character development is kinda a traditional approach for such games. heck, even crpgs we don't like almost always gets one or two characters right. llyranor mentions nwn as an example of a game where the story underwhelmed, but we can names bunches o' characters from that game that were good in spite terrible Revenge of the Evil Mutant Lizards thing they had going on in that game. we won't ridicule your choices... honest. but if you thought patrick stewart or the grave robber or mythic dawn acolyte #305 were an interesting character then we can simply recognize and accept that your notions of "interesting" is a little different from Gromnir's. no harm done. HA! Good Fun!

I wonder if it's just that 'they suck' at making interesting characters, or that with ES there are simply too many to give any real attention to. Hence why I wonder what they can do with a smaller game like Fallout with MUCH fewer NPCs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the thing is that in the last couple games by bethesda we gots pretty much 0 evidence that they can write good dialogues and create interesting characters. we concede that with really big games likes morrowind and oblivion the chances are that you is not gonna be able to makes all of your characters compelling, but is that an excuse for making none of them intriguing? we don't think so. honestly consider your argument. Gromnir is 'posed to consider that 'cause we ain't never seen no good characters from bethesda we has reason to hope/believe that they could populate a future game with such characters. ... sounds like you is asking for a leap of faith. *shrug* we save our faith for things like God and love and Notre Dame Football. bethesda not yet merit such sacrifice. HA! Good Fun!

"so I guess some games do quite well without great and memorable characters." is no doubt about that. diablo is a good example. is all 'bout the addictive gameplay, right? diablo were 'bout as succesful as a pc game could be getting at the time. 'course, Gromnir never really liked diablo. we got tired of playing pac-man in the early 80s, but blizzard brought it back for us in the 90s... run 'round a maze, occasionally powering up... not much of a story 'less you imagine one. *shrug* regardless, pac-man and diablo were very popular games... no question 'bout that. very good games... just not our cup' o' kool-aid. HA! Good Fun!

we thinks you take the "memorable" aspect too literal. memorable carries with it an element o' being worthy of remembrance... is a qualitative aspect. this is why we phrased our query thusly: "for those who has played oblivion all the way through, will any of the oblivion characters makes your personal Best NPC Ever list?" for instance, we will have a hard time forgetting the terrible dialogue that patrick stewart had to vomit forth with his character, but he sure as heck not gonna make our list o' favorite npcs any time soon. HA! Good Fun!

If they use the same engine as Oblivion, true to SPECIAL rules and setting. Oh hell yeah! I would love to see a screaming alpha burn and die dancing in the graphical detail of Oblivion. Or setting the timer of a nuclear bomb, then bravely running away over the hills and through the city and watch from a affar a blossoming mushroom cloud. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> oblivion is already havng a little too much of a fps pov for us to want to see the engine repeated for fo3. we want a party and we wants a little more opportunity for tactical sophistication... neither which seems particularly well suited for oblivion engine. again, the thing that bothered us mostest 'bout oblivion is the fact that after reaching level 13 and having played more than a dozen hours, we had not met one honestly memorable character... which for Gromnir is an unforgivable flaw in a crpg. the quests were better in oblivion than in morrowind, but nothing particularly noteworthy. even so, if we had met some intriguing characters we mighta' stuck it out for the long haul. but perhaps we did not give the game a fair chance. for those who has played oblivion all the way through, will any of the oblivion characters makes your personal Best NPC Ever list? HA! Good Fun!

No. Trust me, I have closed enough gates to know that there are no acrobatics skills needed to close them down. The route to the main tower is not always obvious, but it's always possible to walk (without any other skills than walking skills) to the Sigil stone. I guess you didn't have the patience for it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> there were a cave that might have led somewheres. poked 'round a bit, but every time we tried to re-enter we got a ctd. in fact, we had to save every attempt we made at taking a sigil stone, 'cause that would typically result in a ctd. not a big deal, but were kinda an irritating lesson to learn: always save 'fore taking a sigil stone. also, is Gromnir the only person that almost never were able to close oblivion proper? would almost always get some kinda error message... and we ain't being hyperbolic. am talking like +90% of close attempts resulted in error. weren't no big deal as we were exiting the program after saves, but were kinda odd. HA! Good Fun!

... there is always those folks that lose the forest for the trees. ss is one of those. you admit that the goal of traditional crpg level schemes is not realism, but you quibble at notion that th0se developers did such a thing purposefully. ... wacky. "If you want to say "bows made of iron makes no sense and isn't realistic," I'd agree. However, the implementation of horses isn't really unrealistic, as much as it is just plain flawed." 'cause it couldn't be flawed & unrealistic. again, the quibble over whether it is MORE unrealistic than flawed or vice versa is just plain idiotic. is flawed and unrealistic and you trying to play with the < or > crap is just nuts. HA! Good Fun!

can't keep trying to have it both ways. if being incrementaly more realistic is worth noting in level system, then surely the complete disregard and distracting lack o' realism of other aspects o' oblivion should also be noteworthy, no? again, the funny thing 'bout your realism comments is the admission that the traditional rpgs you is comparing oblivion to purposefully eschew realism as far as levelling goes. and if some people like sl is happy with horses regardless of their near total absence of practical usefulness n' such, then so be it... but 'least be honest 'bout it. try to convinv anybody that oblivion horsies add anything more than some limited and fuzzy "immersion" value is nutty. HA! Good Fun!

we knew that ferret were gone, but am surprised that josh is now the lead. ferret may not have been quite at the emberassing man-love stage with his appreciation for wotc, but it were a close thing. josh, on the other hand, has documented issues with wotc... we surmise that he would probably prefer to rubs broken glass shards into his own eyeballs rather than be having to deal with wotc from a relative position of weakness such as he is in as the lead designer of a d&d crpg. am recalling a case we had some time ago, and a client we couldn't stand. the guy were a racist and a misogynist. he accepted Gromnir with some difficulty, but we suspect that were only 'cause he could see that we were not the least bit intimidated by him. nevertheless, the guy bothered Gromnir something fierce, so we made sure that most all communications with the client were handled by a very able junior associate... a very able black and female junior associate. drove the guy nuts. ... maybe fergie is doing the same thing. HA! Good Fun!

came across a gate shortly before we quit oblivion. decided to try and close the gate... but we had a problem. to get to the tower with the sigil stone Gromnir would either need: 1) ridiculous acrobatics skillz to be leaping 'cross a broken bridge span. or 2) complete immunity to heat/fire as we would otherwise need to cross some 70' of lava to get to tower. lost patience.. then shortly thereafter we simply lost interest in playing game. sidenote: we did discover that water walking allows one to walk on lava... but you still gets burned. HA! Good Fun!

... what is the point of the horses anyways? got insta-travel, right? while doing some map mowing west of chorrol, we comes across a strange scene... dead guy, horse, bandit and lion. am not sure how the dead guy ended up dead, but the horse were mauling the bandit, and the lion seemed to be savaging the bandit and the horse. so, Gromnir decides to intervenes and dispatches the lion and the bandit both... then loot the corpses. figure that an opportunity has presented self, so we takes the horsie for a short jaunt. were curious 'bout the whole horse thing, but not curious 'nuff to buy a horse. lame. ditch the horse. ... 2 days later we talks to some city guard in an attempt to get directions... the guard informs Gromnir that we is under arrest for our terrible act o' thievery that we did some substantial distace away, and he totes us off to prison and we pays some hefty fine. whenever ss starts telling us 'bout oblivion realism we just wanna pop him in the grill. HA! Good Fun!

we got dual citizenship. we hate the USA 'cause we sees so many Americans, having never lived for any length o' time in another country, is so willing to accept the foreigner and media spin that insists that the USA is a terribly racist and oppressive regime... compared to the friendly and enlightend nations o' europe. bah. we hates the land of our birth 'cause Gromnir's peoples has fully embraced a culture of defeat. we is incapable of doing little more than complain 'bout the raw deal we gots... though we occasionally lash out over some stoopid minor issue 'stead of trying to deal with education, infrastructure and health care issues. HA! Good Fun!

*sigh* making magic weapons is neither intuitive nor explained well in game... and as shadow paladin has pointed out, it depends on luck or pre-knowledge of mage guilds and sigil stones and particular reusable soul gems to makes useable... which is that whole metagamy thing you were complaining 'bout. sorry chum, but you just don't get it. whether you thinks people is being stoopid or unreasonable is pointless. you ain't gonna make it as a developer with that attitude. you takes your audience as you find 'em, and you develop games for 'em. you make game so that a signifficant % of people don't get magic item creation, and magic item creation is necessary, then you has failed as a developer... period. however, this should be obvious, and you has not seemed particularly dumb in past, so we assume your inability to grasp simple stuff is loyalty based... give you benefit of doubt. HA! Good Fun!

"thats pretty much expecting everyone to join the mages guild. Or raid countless gates in hopes of getting a good strone ? blink.gif blink.gif" Yeah, great design, ss claims he ain't defending bethesda out of misplaced loyalty, but he is really not being even remotely reasonable. Is no bad combat builds... In spite of the threads that has been purg-ed at tes observing the contrary. Oblivion is LESS metagamy in spite of the numerous folks claiming the opposite... Even folks who like. Even so, bad level scheme does not make this game unplayable. As meta and others note, you can, if game becomes too tough, simply stop leveling. HA! But honestly, the level scheme ain't what made Gromnir quit. We simply got bored. Dialogue were too bad, and quests, while improved over morrowind, were often more than a little screwed. The find-the-painting quest were just one example. We found the painting and paint on the rug and the paint supplies, but 'cause we found those things 'fore we spoke with every named person in the castle those clue acquisitions didn't count towards quest fulfillment. Huh? But we coulda' dealt with all those things if not for the fact that combat were so damned boring. Very little sophistication or savvy required. Nevertheless, we can see why some folks really like... We is just noting that pretending that oblivion's level scheme ain't unbalanced and irrational and metagamy is a fanciful delusion or the result of having not played enough types o' oblivion characters. Fans get the free pass as chances are they only play-ed their own build, but ss, as a developer type, not got such an excuse. HA! Good Fun!

This is how the loot table works without luck. Armor PC Level Fur / Iron 1 Leather / Steel 3 Chain / Dwarven 6 Mithril / Orcish 10 Elven / Ebony 15 Glass / Daedric 20 Everytime a creature is spawned, it checks your level, and checks your luck. Once in awhile you'll get special drops. The higher your luck, the more likely you are to recieve a special drop. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> am not sure why you is being so obtuse in various oblivion threads. the 1007 tables is modified by luck, but clearly elven weapons is part of the 1007 tables for characters of less than 15th level. your initial statement were if not completely incaccurate, then more than a little misleading. *shrug* regardless it is nice to see hiw the unmodified 1007 tables is initially set up. thanks. HA! Good Fun!

off-topic: we always use 1337 for 10075 on this board. reason is silly. used once in a post over a year ago and it seemed to shock a few folks that Gromnir would utilize 1337. thought that were funny. HA! Good Fun!