Gromnir

the more homogeneous your culture/society is, the easier it is to have democracy work smooth. HA! Good Fun!

you can't pause in mp. 'course, we not care how slick the reviewer thought the radial were for nwn, in mp you is using hotkeys and quickslots, not radial. HA! Good Fun!

"Blizzard games are visually appealing as well, and however "fantastic" the content, it never leaves the arena of what a person can relate to in terms of reality within the genre of fantasy." but lack o' underwear and arms and armour that is less ludicrous than typical stuff from wow shatters your fuzzy realism threshold? ... okie dokie. HA! Good Fun!

"You know what I mean, within this world or any RPG/Action game there needs to be some kind of semblence of reality (sans the spells or magical feats). That's why they strive for because that's why the gamer relates." pretty much every blizzard game exists as a stark denial of your position. reality and realism in blizzard games is stretched to amazing extremes w/o seeming to shatter the Average Gamer's ability to enjoy the game and game world. blizzard not strive for realism. wotc not strive for realism. lucas arts not strive for realism. is game internally coherent... is it rational within the context of the rules the world's creators put forth? THAT is a legit concern for developers, but you cannot simply dismiss spells and magic but get all torqued by underwear. is not realism that matters, but we suspect you just won't get that. HA! Good Fun!

how is Gromnir afraid of skin? we not particualar mind either way if avatars is naked w/o armour or not. is not the skin that bothers us but rather your tenacious defense of a 50 list that gots maybe 5 legit issues. YOU made skin an issue among 50, but you not seem to be able to take a stand on why you think it should be an issue. first it were realism. now... now it seems that it is something else. additionaly, it should be obvious by now that this is not a developer issue, but rather a wotc issue... so we not understand why you would continue to rail when not only has your realism issue re underwear has been pretty much destroyed, but given fact that it has been explained to you a half dozen or more times now that obsidian has little say-so in regards skin issues. "My interpretation of realism is realized and fufilled to my satisfaction in NWN1, but not in NWN2, for many reasons beyond the underwear issue." well then you is gonna have to do a much better job of explaining your concerns 'cause as we can all see by now, underwear not bolster realism, and arms and armour in nwn were as stylized and fantastical (aribeth's armour) as anything in nwn2. "realism" as a serious issue in a fantasy crpg is having a somewhat dubious foundation for legitimate gripeage, but we would be willing to at least consider if you were at least a little more competent insofar as explaining how nwn1 were more realistic than nwn2. underwear? underwear ain't helping your cause. again, we got no doubt that you has some legit concerns, but you put together in to a hyperbole laden list and it makes all your concerns seem that much less valid. Gromnir himself already made a post where we expressed some concerns (minor and major) 'bout nwn2, so we ain't adverse to scorching nwn2 or the developers o' said game, but if you wants your concerns to be taken serious we tends to think you is going 'bout it all wrong. is not skin that bothers Gromnir, but rather the hamfisted manner in which you attempts to gets your concerns addressed. HA! Good Fun!

btw, we understand that to get list to 50 rift had to conjure up some pretty ridiculous stuff. we wish that he/she woulda' simply stuck with serious concerns rather than using hyperbole. HA! Good Fun!

josh, can you please add a full range of hose accesories to nwn2. our immersion is destroyed without gambaison and hose options. and while you is at it, bring back aribeth armour. on second thought, just get practiced spellcaster and augment summoning/healing feats into game and forget 'bout silly minutae like adding underwear. in any event, rift already gots reason why skin is not in with wotc as far as crpgs is concerned, so we cannot figure out why this line o' nonsense continues. "And ultimately far more immersive." is far more immersive because it is unrealistic or because it is more fantastical? we can't keep up with you on this issue. we get that you like naked better. fine. even when you has been told why your demand is iimpossible, and you has been confronted with the reality that your demand is actually less realistic than the nwn2 status quo, you still contend that this is a reason that nwn1 is better than nwn2? ... okie dokie. HA! Good Fun!

lol ..where did I even say I wanted nudity or "jiggly"? That's not me, and you misperceived my statements. I was referring to the basic underwear you see in NWN1 when you remove your armor. It's realistic to me, that's all. I'd like to know I have a body underneath my armor. You don;t have to be Artifical Girl 2 explicitness and porno ethics to show a basic model of the body clothed with underwear. I don't know if you hail from the bible belt areas or something but it's just normal to me to be able to see the models of a body when optioned to change armor in any RPG, I'm used to it as are others making the same complaint. Even family games like Sims are able to show this. Understand that there are more adults playing PC games than console. And even Console games walk that line more than NWN1 which reveals more than NWN2. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you ain't asking for real. under heavier armour you typically has a layer of padding worn in addition to clothing, and we cannot thinks of any metalic armour we would ever want to consider wear without clothing beneath. what you want is unrealistic... and we suspect more voyeristic motives in any event. HA! Good Fun! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Was the Bioware team being "voyeuristic" in showing underweared models? I seriously doubt that was their motive. Mine is the same. Youa re correct in thaat underneath full plate someone would be expected to wear a padded cloth suit. Though I doubt there is any precedent for putting a padded full suit underneath a robe, light armor or 0 base armor clothing. In any case we're talking about fantasy where many here seemed to shoot down the notion that realism applied to armor anyways (I disagree int he grounds that they wouldn't be please seeing blue tights and a red cape ont heir NWN characters, so Medieval is referenced). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> will you make up your mind? you want realism or fantasy? and yeah, under robes, especially in a northern climate, we would expect full clothing to be worn. neverwinter ain't a city on the med you know. oh, and leather armour is not as supple as those leather pants you no doubt got in your jiggly drawer. leather armour is not worn next to skin neither. all nwn2 avatars would have to be redrawn with some serious chafe marks/wounds to get your kinda realism. HA! Good Fun!

LOLZ You would be a walking freezer in the cold having that metal touch your skin. Plus the weight of it would dig into you shoulders cutting into you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> not only that, keeps in mind that elastic were invented relatively recent. most underwear in the middle ages were pretty bulky and tended to cover from neck to toe anyways. no elastic socks. no elastic waistbands. etc. knight is gonna wear a gambaison to boot. not real to wear less. HA! Good Fun!

lol ..where did I even say I wanted nudity or "jiggly"? That's not me, and you misperceived my statements. I was referring to the basic underwear you see in NWN1 when you remove your armor. It's realistic to me, that's all. I'd like to know I have a body underneath my armor. You don;t have to be Artifical Girl 2 explicitness and porno ethics to show a basic model of the body clothed with underwear. I don't know if you hail from the bible belt areas or something but it's just normal to me to be able to see the models of a body when optioned to change armor in any RPG, I'm used to it as are others making the same complaint. Even family games like Sims are able to show this. Understand that there are more adults playing PC games than console. And even Console games walk that line more than NWN1 which reveals more than NWN2. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you ain't asking for real. under heavier armour you typically has a layer of padding worn in addition to clothing, and we cannot thinks of any metalic armour we would ever want to consider wear without clothing beneath. what you want is unrealistic... and we suspect more voyeristic motives in any event. HA! Good Fun!

anybody the least familiar with d&d crpgs should know that wotc has a strange pov concerning adult themes. the whole mirrored mask encounter in nwn2 were a nod to that strange history. is innumerbale examples of prostitution, drug use, slavery, and the non-specific jiggly that rift seems enamored with, but crpgs since nwn has been different. one popular explanation is 'possedley that some hasbro big wig sees his pre-teen son playing nwn and realizes that game has a BROTHEL in it. forebear. in any event, since that time developers has had much tighter restrictions on adult content in games than wotc seems to demand of print material. troika, being slow learners, did not thinks that new wotc policy regarding adult content in games applied to them. fools. so they has to remove their brothel late in development when wotc puts kibosh on it and other stuff in toee. when black isle were making bg 3 there were numerous developer complaints, and bioware, even though inexplicably they seemed to have been afforded more freedom to do adult content than other developers, also recognized that d&d crpgs woulds have to become more child safe in future. this is well tilled soil. rift is just getting to the party late. HA! Good Fun! ps jiggly is not inherent better than pg rated material. am not sure why some people seems to assume that kinda subjectivity into the equation. am reminded of how carrie fisher had to have her breasts strapped down in star wars because lucas didn't want story to be 'bout sex. is amusing that maybe worst of the three original films were the only one having jiggly. jiggly = better? hardly.

rift has a point: st said that he is "able" to discuss w/o name calling and trolling, so when he is calling a fellow poster a blob who is ashamed of self that ain't REALLY hypocritical 'cause he never actually claimed that he were above name callings. ... or rift honestly didn't get it. want aribeth jiggly AND authentic. *chuckle* you know how you can tell difference 'tween a man and a woman in plate or chain or scale with full helm? ... no, serious... is an honest question. we has seen some of those recreation society gatherings and when a woman dons plate or chain she not got a noticeable figure in such garb. when they takes off such stuff they usually got a layer of padding underneath, and they always got clothes. HA! Good Fun!

we not play world of warcraft, but we did play most of the warcraft and diablo games. same world, right? we not recall any armour or weapon in those games that looked to have a historical analog to real world. even so, those games is 'bout as popular as you can be in their given genres. seems likes developers abandoning historical accuracy in favor of stylized fantasy were a pretty darn good move for blizzard, and we not think they lose sleep over the infinte small fraction of people that complains that giant warhammers and plate armour that would weigh down a moose much less a human being, destroys "immersiveness." btw, we ain't yet seen anybody that did a goods job of defining what is immersive for fans of crpgs as a group so that a crpg developer coulds actually implement. regardless, much as with trolls having to look like terrible monster manual entry, it is sounding as if arms and armours is also having wotc final say-so... ain't like obsidian coulda' done different anyhow. "Wow, a lot of you guys are pretty brave arguing with Soultheif like that. Didn't you know that he could bench press you?" the average person on this board weighs some considerable amount less than 200lbs. is hardly impressive or daunting to see somebody bench 200lbs. anything less than three plates a side is not even worth notice, and +4 is being required to give Gromnir pause. HA! Good Fun!

why is funny bros? original neverwinter nights has many of the better weapons than on this newer one <{POST_SNAPBACK}> better v. worse is subjective. we leave to you to decide which you thinks looks better. that being said, there were nothing authentic looking 'bout arms and armour in nwn1... period. we not got a problem with non-authentic looking armour and weapons in a fantasy game, but the folks clamoring for such stuff rarely seems to know what the heck they is talking 'bout. HA! Good Fun! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i am having a disagree with you on this one. they having on original neverwinter nights display many armor types as look shiny and metallic represent the fourth century roman field and full plate, and has celtic butted skeet chain mails. there is having none on this new game. this armor looks dull and not represent any century plate is no good <{POST_SNAPBACK}> oh sure, 'cause the greatswords and greataxes could be wielded by a real person from any age. heck, most of the weapons is too big to be wielded. for every item you point out that you think looked almost close to right, we can name 3 that were wrong. HA! Good Fun!

why is funny bros? original neverwinter nights has many of the better weapons than on this newer one <{POST_SNAPBACK}> better v. worse is subjective. we leave to you to decide which you thinks looks better. that being said, there were nothing authentic looking 'bout arms and armour in nwn1... period. we not got a problem with non-authentic looking armour and weapons in a fantasy game, but the folks clamoring for such stuff rarely seems to know what the heck they is talking 'bout. HA! Good Fun!

"Remember NWN1 you had an uber array of authentic looking medieval weapons" *chuckle* HA! Good Fun!

Sure, but I don't think it's necessary for me to either confirm or condemn them on an individual basis. I definitely think there's a lot of stuff we could have done better on NWN2, but I also think it's a pretty good game and platform for building. With 20/20 hindsight I could list off a lot of things that I would have chosen to do differently, but that's not particularly helpful or insightful. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> keep in mind what is title of list. he ain't asking if there is 50 things you woulda' liked to have done different, but rather is claiming that the 50 things listed were done better in nwn. HA! Good Fun!

they both looks like fizzy-fuzzy bubbles o' light. ... the fire effects seems to be much better in nwn2 and we recall that a couple o' the ice spells look better too, but if somebody is raging 'bout the minor superiority of one fuzz bubble to another... oh and vol, 'bout the controls, you is right that we hasn't checked and don't know. that were part of our point... most peoples won't care and the people that does use the thing won't be daunted. also, as you is clearly insane, if a person tells Gromnir that controls is largely the same, then we is more likely to believe that person over vol until we see proof to contrary. we don't dismiss vol pov outright, but we does know that vol is nuts and we gotta take that fact into consideration when we choose to believe persons not named Gromnir. nwn were not as bad a game as some people suggest. that being said it should come as no surprise that nwn2, a game made years after nwn release and with benefit of much feedback from that game, managed to improve most things. is some of the improvements LESS than we woulda' hoped for given the 'mount of time 'tween release of 1 and release of 2? hell yeah, but that not change fact that nwn2 did in fact improve nwn1 in many/most ways.... which should surprise nobody. is there some things nwn did better than nwn2? yeah, given more time to develop we gots no doubt that nwn probably had more critters n' such, but the list o' things nwn1 did better than 2 could fit on a list o' maybe 5 to 10. the 50 bit were simply hyperbole to make a point... which is usually a terrible way to make a point. HA! Good Fun!

if the controls are same, then lokey has a point. we not looked... 'cause we not care, but if controls is same then we not see how this can be an issue for you, save that you typically defies reason so we should not be surprised. HA! Good Fun!

the modders won't have any problems working with the toolset... intuitive or not. we think you missed point. the only folks who is gonna use the toolset to make something worthwhile is folks who is gonna dig through guts of toolset and makes themselves proficient. and you never made anything useful with old toolset, so why is you complaining? waste effort on making toolset user friendly? *shrug* as for story and how you knew that you had to stop kos from start... so what? know how story is gonna end has never been what keeps story from being good or not. hibernating lizards? we never got any developement of lizards and their motivations. they were simply evil overlords. they weren't interesting or frieghtening. heck, we can't even recall the name of that evil human wizard that were boss character right before evil lizard queen. aribeth could have been a good character, and she should have been the focus, but bio screwed that up... badly. sidequest stuff like charwood is where nwn saved itself. actual core nwn story were horrible. gonna have to agree to disagree 'bout combat. only reason you probably found nwn1 more challenging is 'cause henchman were so broken and that you played your own character wrong. again, 'cause biowarians knew that you didn't have a full party they could not makes combat too challenging. HA! Good Fun!

unless this game gets really terrible in chapter 3, we cannot see how nwn storyline is better. nwn had a couple of nice characters (that didn't get 'nuff development) and they had a 1950s b-movie sci-fi plot in which evil hibernating lizards were emerging from eons long dormancy to take over the world... and the combat in nwn were NOT more challencging. it were purposefully made ridiculous 'cause you only had one character and possibly a gimped henchman. can't make nwn enemy mages in nwn too powerful, 'cause character might not have wizard or spellcaster in their own nwn1 party. can't make melee combatants too tough, 'cause what if you is playing a solo rogue? the tactical sophistication o' nwn2 is far better than 1... but we admits that auto-resurrect gimps much of the improvement. am not seeing the better animations or spell effect argument, but that is so subjective thatwe can't find a way to address. we simply can't see vol's point. and as for a more intuitive toolset... HA! the one thing that obsidian and bio folks DID learn from nwn1 is that there is a very small number of modders out there, and to makes anything worthwhile with toolset requires considerable time, skill, and wherewithal. makes toolset for dummies? is wasted effort. the people who is gonna use toolset to do anything useful is folks who is gonna be largely undaunted by a more complex toolset. oh well. HA! Good Fun!

having seen the elf druid's spell list, and recognizing that warpriest not improve turning levels of clerics, we is tempted to replay game as a druid/warpriest... though we hates the very notion of most prcs. lots of skill points and combat boosting spells. would seem to really be best of all worlds. am happy 'nuff as a paladin/cleric o' ilmater, but we will see on next go through... though after this weekend we won't have much time to play for a while. HA! Good Fun!

am thinking that worm thinks 50 is a swell number, so he/she tried to takes a handful o' concerns and kinda add some fluff to fill in gap 'tween 5 and 50. in any event, there seems to be few things we likes 'bout nwn better than nwn2... so far. we likes radial menus and maybe a radial menu would work for nwn2 at the moment, but not in future. radial menus with multiple sub-menus has a way o' becoming mighty unwieldy with all the various d&d options available. toee and nwn both had issues with radial menus expanding cross entire screen simply to get to some necessary option. oh, and as much as we likes bioware games their art assets typically sucks. recall nwn orcs? compare to nwn2 orcs. and no, we ain't talking simply 'bout detail. nwn orcs looked cartoonish at best. even if you not like nwn2 critters at least you cannot fault obsidian for taking models straight from the source material. does we hate how nwn2 trolls look? sure we do, but that is how they look in monster manual, no? anybody recall nwn fire giants? sure, maybe it is a trivial thing but bio never seemed to get (in any of their d&d games) that fire giants were 'posed to be looking like big black-skinned dwarves... as 'posed to giant scottsmen. with 5 years to work on'em we would have expected to come up with more critters than nwn2 had, but obsidian did a much better job makings the ones they did include. and we can't believe that somebody would suggest that ai for nwn were better than nwn2. nwn2 party ai is terrible, but it is surely a dozen times better than nwn1. heck, more important is fact that at least Gromnir has option to NOT use party ai in nwn2. am not recalling the spell effects in nwn looking any better. most is pretty darn familiar, but the new ones seems to look better in nwn2. and as for bugs. HA! nwn is the reason Gromnir no longer buys games on day 1 of release. nwn2 has some clunkiness to it, but it ain't nothing like nwn1 were... and we not have derek french trying to tell literally dozens of posters that they is imagining stuttering issues neither. nwn, out of box, were a mess. the whole linear v. non-linear thing bugs Gromnir. the way people define linear v. non-linear seems crazy to Gromnir. is a pointless battle. we won't fight this one yet again. regardless, we recalls just how much peoples complained that nwn weren't non-linear 'nuff, so to be using it as some sorta benchmark amuses us no little bit. oh, and what nut would suggest that nwn were better than nwn2 as far as character customization is concerned. fact that you can't make bloated v. non-bloated makes all the difference to worm? HA! looks, there is things we woulda' liked to see different in nwn 2. auto-resurection drives us nuts and we woulda' liked for there to be more optional side-quests and yeah, we is disturbed by how poorly the game runs on our machine... and while we understands that bio screwed up cleric domains, we were really hopeful that obsidian would fix. *shrug* nwn2 has problems... lots of problems, but so far we sees little 'bout nwn 1 that we would say is superior to nwn2. HA! Good Fun!

The second video I made was in combat. I was fighting gargoyles and Mastiffs. So you're referring to the Keen trait itself, and not the actual spell Keen Edge? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> why you assume we is talking about trait 'cause we said we is looking at rolls? that makes no sense at all. Gromnir casts spell. Gromnir looks at rolls down in window. Gromnir sees that a greatsword that we had keen edge cast 'pon does not get an expanded critical threat range. pretty damned straightforward. am not looking at character profile sheet. am looking (for the 6th time now) at the actual rolls. kinda slow today? and no matter how many ways you tries to figure out some way to convince us that casavir ain't killing grobnar, it ain't gonna do much good if we can plainly see casavir killing grobnar. oh, another problem: automatic initiation of dialogues. yeah, we get that story advancement is problematic, but if we gots tiefling tart scouting invisible or sneaky like it is more than a little bothersome that if when she stumbles 'pon a baddie who wants to talk to our pc our pc suddenley gets warped and drawn into dialogue. is somewhat less useful to have rogue scout ahead and disarm traps if Gromnir's character is gonna get thrown into a pitched battle 'cause some goblin or orc who cannot sees neeshka manages to initiate dialogue with Gromnir in spite of fact that Gromnir ain't anywhere nears the goblin or orc. 'course, no doubt that not happen neither... all imagination. HA! Good Fun!

character profile page is worthless. as we said already, we is looking at the actual rolls for keen. also, your tests of casavir is out of combat. the problem we encounter is when casavir is fighting orcs or spiders or something and then grobnar hits the criters with sound burst or iron horn. casavir gets hit in area effect and then stops fighting orcs and starts attacking grobnar. "The OC lacks NPC interactions," compared to what game? got 'least as much as bg2. " Romances," dunno. crpg romances creep Gromnir out a bit, but we understands that there is multiple male and female romaces. "Freedom," lord only knows what this means. bg1 maps? mow the fog of war ain't freedom for Gromnir, but we knows that some fallout/bg 1 fans is real enamored with relatively big and empty maps 'stead of compact ones with more stuff to be doing... less wasted resources. "Choices that matter," again, compared to what game? again, we has only just finished chap 2, but it seems like there has been at least one very signifficant choice in game, and some possibility of others. we understand that your choice in dealing with joinables can also have real impact on their behavior late in game. " Non linear plot," this is a fiction. there has never really been a non-linear plot written by a human being in the history of forever, but we know what you mean. typical game "non-linear" plot simply has a signifficant branching at very end or near end. is a waste of effort. we likes options in the side quests, but the fiction of serious non-linear plot in a crpg is something people not wanna let go of it seems. best we ever seen is where plot divides somewhat early in game, but you is still left with only one real meaningful bifurcation. "Evil options that don