Gromnir

calls to mind a dr. visit we had 'bout 6 months ago. what we were in for doesn't matter and is none o' your business... so there. anywho, we can look across the hall (nurse left our door open) and we see this doctor, a no-nonsense guy in mid 40s, trying to give a shot to a boy of 'bout 8 years. am not sure what kinda shot, but it appeared to be important enough that he kept trying in spite o' the kid moving his arm every time the doctor came near him with the needle. doctor explains to kid to stay still. doctor explains to the boy' mother to keep her child's arm immobile. were at least six attempts we saw and the doctor were getting mighty frustrated. am thinking he weren't a pediatrician. ... the scenario were perplexing to us. we were raised by grandparents who let us do whatever we wished just so long as we also did what we were told. our grandfather, in a similar situation, woulda' utilized a firm smack to get our attention and then woulda' explained what he expected from us. Gromnir woulda' quietly accepted the shot and that woulda' been the end o' it. no doubt we woulda' gotten a hug once we left the office and probably some ice cream before making the long trip home. then again, Gromnir were odd. example: as a sprout we got thrown from our pony and apparently bit complete through our own tongue. it were explained to us that such an injury is very painful. our grandparents didn't realize there were a problem for a couple o' days as we failed to mention anything. am guessing we caused them some grief when they took us to hospital 'cause doctors thought we were being neglected at first. is no possible way our grandparents couldn't have known there were a problem, yes? also, we don't recall being 4 years of age. perhaps at that age we were a mewling bed-wetter who screamed constantly and stuck forks into light sockets whenever an adult turned their back on us. ... is probable a good thing we don't have kids. HA! Good Fun!

Sadly, it looks like you are the one who doesn't understand. Israeli leaders do not care? Well color my jimmies and call me King Reginald, who could have thought that? Atrocities tend to happen because people don't care. Morality and political actions have little in common. *chuckle* the israelis have a moral obligation to protect their own citizens, no? regardless, am curious just how obtuse you is willing to be. hamas is the folks who started firing rockets at civilian populations and protecting those rocket emplacements with human shields. and again, hamas wanted this conflict. they got it. morality? ha! btw, don't care what UN ambassadors think is far different than not caring, period. the UN has done very little to help israel. why should israel care 'bout UN concerns? as for individual israelis and israeli politicians and their concern for folks in gaza... spend a couple weeks running to air-raid shelters and bunkers 'cause o' constant hamas rocket attacks and commando raids from tunnels and we suspect that "care" for hamas is gonna be eroded substantially, but the assumption that the average israeli citizen or politician doesn't care is dubious. we doubt you got the perspicacity to recognize the significance, but we would suggest that morality is often the first casualty of fear. HA! Good Fun!

well, to be fair, it kinda needs to be a big target as it is riding almost entirely above water and will be carrying tanks and personnel. stuff like reefs and submerged obstacles is gonna be less o' a factor for this vehicle, which is fantastic. unfortunately, what makes it capable o' crawling over reefs and low walls 'n such will necessarily also give it a much more exposed profile... which is all the more reason you is gonna wanna protect the wheelhouse. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/US_Navy_060606-N-8154G-115_Two_Landing_Craft_Utilities_(LCU)_assigned_to_Amphibious_Craft_Unit_Two_(ACU-2),_rehearse_storming_the_beach_in_Curacao,_Netherlands_Antilles.jpg and again, the Biggest flaw is having exit at the back end o' the vehicle. seriously think 'bout the darn thing getting pinned down on the beach half out o' the water. your tanks and humvees is effective trapped, particular if you got a beach break... sea floor drops quickly. no matter how fancy those flippers is, you is gonna need assume that a nice and open, sandy beach with a gentle slope is gonna be Rare for contested beach landings. on the other hand, perhaps elerond and others is correct that the vehicle is not being designed with any notion o' a contested beach scenario. design is so that everybody has a nice leisurely trip so no soldier or marine gets feet wet. as we noted in our second post, if this thing is simply a proof-of-concept prototype for the propulsion system, we thinks it is silly to call it a prototype for a beach assault vehicle. is also kinda excessive for a proof-o-concept prototype, no? HA! Good Fun!

The black boxes were going to be used to present irrefutable evidence that the separatists shot the plane down. how? black boxes store communications and flight data from the plane. prove that plane were shot down? that is useful, but does anybody doubt that the plane were shot down? how will black boxes prove who shot the plane? as we said, unless the folks who fired on the plane also communicated with it (which would presuppose that they knew to use commercial airline frequencies to do the communicating) we can't understand what is the big deal about the black boxes in this case. rule out bomb on-board or catastrophic technical difficulties is useful, but won't prove anything. what is the big deal? HA! Good Fun!

am kinda surprised there would be so much furor over the black boxes. is gonna show that plane didn't experience technical issue before being blown to bits. okie dokie. so? unless the russian supported separatists were complete arse clowns and somehow communicated with the commercial airliner before shooting them down, am not understanding what the black box could reveal. 'course, we only have limited knowledge o' black boxes, so perhaps they can triangulate the launch point of incoming missiles and identify the difference 'tween a russian and a ukranian sa-11 missile. gonna need to get us one o' those black boxes. HA! Good Fun!

why would we wanna replay a game that were so boring? do boring 12 different ways? yippie. am not certain we agree with you 'bout arcanum story either. am s'posing you could look at plot and convince self that story were intriguing, but none o' that matters if we don't care about characters. troika made a wholly forgettable cast of characters for arcanum. some troika fans desperately cling to the notion that virgil were sooper-groovey. *shrug* aracanum is significant for us 'cause never has we had such a clear disconnect 'tween expectations and actual gameplay enjoyment. the fallout guys making a steampunk game with an open world and loads o' replay value? you don't need to work too hard to sell us on that product. unfortunately, the troika guys committed the one (and possibly only) unforgivable sin o' game development: they made a boring game. HA! Good Fun!

you feel bad for palestinians when you see scale o' body count tip. you sympathize. sadly, you has made quite clear that you don't understand. "The opinion of the world in this conflict does matter and collateral damage does matter" not based on history. is same problems since 1917-- same cycle o' violence. why should israel act as if this time is different? world condemnation is par for the course. israeli leaders is understandably more interested in how they poll with israeli citizens than with un ambassadors. is also perhaps ironic that given the fact that the degree o' violence is higher now than at any point in a decade, the support hamas is getting from arab leaders is at an all-time low. the folks that israel potentially needs to be concerned 'bout in the region don't seem to care 'bout what is happening in gaza... not that arab opinion woulda' swayed israel neither. US opinion? well, after the syria debacle, this administration's leverage in the region has also dwindled. recent troubles in libya is undercutting administration cachet even further. am s'posing the world could get together and impose serious economic sanctions to chastise israel-- sanctions can be very effective. by the time sanctions were put in place, we suspect that the gaza campaign will be complete. israel would no doubt request sanctions be lifted as part o' cease-fire agreements. even so, the reason why israel did so much o' the airstrikes is precisely 'cause o' appeasing westerners. if the idf had entered gaza in force immediate after first rockets flew from gaza into israel, world outrage woulda' been far greater. there really ain't winners or good guys with all o' this... portraying hamas as victims is a curious spin. HA! Good Fun!

Except Gromnir, your context is crap. You cannot compare a bunch of disgruntled, desperate, stupid people with limited support and technical cababilities with a formal, well-equipped, modern military of a "democratic" government (that ignores every UN resolution never) You said it yourself that hamas doesn't have the ability to fire those rockets accurately. The ways in which hamas can fight, given Israels security and military might, is very limited indeed. Terrorism is generally NOT the first choice of action for people. Israels behavior and policies are a breeding ground for desperate people with a desire to strike back. But no reals means to do so. Israel is keeping the Gaza strip a miserable place, by bombing it to stone age periodically. Or did you fail to notice how civilian infrastructure (power, water, factories, roads) seem to take the biggest hit in each "intervention"? is as much the case that hamas is keeping gaza a miserable place. and the fact that rockets is inaccurate doesn't change the fact that they is being fired into israeli settlements from palestinian civilian homes, business, schools, places o' worship, etc. the v-1 and v-2 rockets that dropped on england weren't accurate either. accuracy is not a serious issue, is it? hell, it makes more difficult for israeli civilians to prepare as they has no idea whatsoever where next rocket will drop. and as an israeli politician it is political suicide to just sit back and allow your people to be chased into shelters and bunkers on a daily basis. but again, israelis ain't blameless here. we suspect that they ain't been genuine 'bout finding a peaceful solution that would benefit both sides for over a decade. HA! Good Fun! ps am suggesting caution: you don't seem to realize that your perspective is functional legitimizing any and all terrorist organizations. Gromnir I use to think that the Israeli strategy of using bombs was understandable considering the fact that Hamas was firing rockets from Gaza. But I have changed my mind as this approach is collective punishment but more importantly it doesn't necessarily target Hamas There has to be a response from Israel but the way to do it is the way they are now following, a ground invasion. This obviously isn't the ideal approach for Israel as there will be casualties. But that's the reality of the situation Can you imagine what would be the fallout in the various conflicts, in the last 30 years, that Western countries have been involved in if the strategy to pacify an area was just to rely on bombs? Sometimes ground troops are more surgical and can reduce civilian casualties which are an important consideration when you think of the outcome from any military exercise am suspecting you do not realize how many rockets have been fired from gaza into israel in recent years. if the israelis responded to even a small percentage of such attacks with armed invasions, gaza city would be nothing more than a formless pile o' rubble and unmarked graves. one day of fighting in gaza: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/07/20/333162646/humanitarian-truce-quickly-collapses-in-gaza-fighting-resumes am understanding that literal thousands o' people in gaza were displaced 'cause of fighting on sunday alone. it will take years for the folks in gaza to recover from recent activities. and keep in mind that airstrikes haven't halted just 'cause israeli boots is on the ground. other than hamas and some serious arseclowns in the idf, nobody wants to see israeli troops in gaza longer than absolute necessary.

the thing is, if it is simple a proof-of-concept prototype for the propulsion system, wouldn't you mention that point? maybe you is correct and us navy/marines is so unconcerned 'bout contested beaches that they can have pilot's wheelhouse as exposed as possible and makes so troops and vehicles disembark from the bloody back of the silly thing. HA! Good Fun!

we wouldn't mind a steampunk game from obsidian... or dieselpunk or pony-express time period american frontier or any number o' other such settings. what we don't want from obsidian is a game that actual plays like arcanum. we enjoyed arcanum most before we actual played the game. arcanum were a horribly buggy game with dull characters and terrible balance that became monotonous extreme fast. our expectations based on following sierra boards, gaming sites and print publications were quite high; arcanum were most compelling before we got a chance to actually play it. HA! Good Fun!

every nation seems to have their own definition o' terrorism... which they then further refine into categories o' domestic v. international terrorism. is mostly semantics. *shrug* as to the rockets... am not certain o' your math. am assuming you mean each rocket launcher can do 5 per hour? am not convinced that is accurate either, but the rockets turned out to be quite efficacious regardless. hamas has made it clear that they believe they can bring about a palestinian state through military conflict... which has always baffled us, but we gotta applaud their unswerving dedication to their ideal. they has lost their arab support as they managed to recently cheese-off syria and the lebanese hezbollah, and once the muslim brotherhood were ousted in egypt, their greatest supporter in the mid-east were gone. am not certain how hamas looks at recent conflicts with israel, but it seemed clear to us that their actions were not particular impressive from a military standpoint. nevertheless, the rockets were effective. israel couldn't allow +1,700 rocket attacks to continue. as woefully inaccurate as the rockets is, they result in israelis being sent to shelters and bunkers and settlements nearest gaza is functional evacuated. hamas has zero chance o' winning any kinda conventional conflict with israel, but they has best chance o' hurting israel if the fighting takes place in gaza, where they has spent the last few years preparing for a fight. am thinking that most folks reading this board has heard that urban warfare is always hard on an attacker, yes? small groups o' people armed with nothing but small arms and homemade explosives can put a serious hurt on even the most well-equipped military powers. hamas has machine guns, anti-tank weapons and they has had years to prepare for this fight. rockets didn't actual need to do harm. rockets were forcing israel to fight where hamas had the best chance o' causing israeli losses. ... am honestly not getting the point though. the best hamas can do is to hurt israel. they ain't gonna win "freedom." they ain't gonna improve standard of living for palestinians in gaza (which admittedly were never their goal.) they ain't gonna force syria and egypt and other arab nations to start supporting them again. as far as we can see, hamas believed they had no choice but to provoke israel. they is functionally alone in gaza and they were only gonna get weaker as days and weeks and months passed. they wanted to provoke an ultimately no-win fight before they got too weak to do any damage? none o' this fight is rational to us. sure, israel had to attack once rockets were sending folks into shelters on a daily basis, but the idf clear wanted this fight, which doesn't make sense to us anymore than hamas provoking it. both sides have reasons, but their reasons... suck. HA! Good Fun! edit: quote function went bad on us again... removed the quoted portion.

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not legitimizing nothing. I said I understand why people resort to such actions. That means just that an nothing more. ... am confused. perhaps you should quit hiding behind double-talk and self-deception. clearly you sympathize with palestinians in gaza. no worries there as Gromnir also sympathizes. is tragic what hamas and israel has brought about. hamas wanted another intafada. israel wanted an excuse to crush hamas. bad on both sides, but let us please review lest you talk yourself in circles yet again. you mention body count numbers as significant. Gromnir observes that while body count is an objective measure, it ignores the tactics o' hamas and the current situation. hamas tactics include, but is not limited to the following: fire over 1,700 rockets random into israeli lands, used tunnels to attack israeli civilians and soldiers, fired weapons from densely populated areas, tell own citizens Not to evacuate, destroy donated infrastructure resources (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9331863/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/looters-strip-gaza-greenhouses/) while instead stockpiling weapons in anticipation o' a 3rd intafada, etc. you observe that israel created the situation wherein hamas were having no real alternatives to using terror tactics that put its own citizens at risk. Gromnir observes that you is edging very close to legitimizing the tactics o' any and all terrorist organizations. heck, if you wanna define israeli actions as terroist then you is giving them a pass too. "The ways in which hamas can fight, given Israels security and military might, is very limited indeed. Terrorism is generally NOT the first choice of action for people." change "The ways in which israel can fight, given hamas tactics and the fact that they are inextricably embedded in the civilian population, is very limited. Terrorism is generally NOT the fist choice of action for a people." see? nevertheless, the israelis, continue to drop leaflets and warn civilians by phone and observed cease-fires in spite o' the fact that doing so hinders their efficacy. *shrug* honestly, what terrorist organization doesn't claim that their actions is being forced by the intractability and misdeeds o' (add faceless evil organization here) ? HA! Good Fun!

Except Gromnir, your context is crap. You cannot compare a bunch of disgruntled, desperate, stupid people with limited support and technical cababilities with a formal, well-equipped, modern military of a "democratic" government (that ignores every UN resolution never) You said it yourself that hamas doesn't have the ability to fire those rockets accurately. The ways in which hamas can fight, given Israels security and military might, is very limited indeed. Terrorism is generally NOT the first choice of action for people. Israels behavior and policies are a breeding ground for desperate people with a desire to strike back. But no reals means to do so. Israel is keeping the Gaza strip a miserable place, by bombing it to stone age periodically. Or did you fail to notice how civilian infrastructure (power, water, factories, roads) seem to take the biggest hit in each "intervention"? is as much the case that hamas is keeping gaza a miserable place. and the fact that rockets is inaccurate doesn't change the fact that they is being fired into israeli settlements from palestinian civilian homes, business, schools, places o' worship, etc. the v-1 and v-2 rockets that dropped on england weren't accurate either. accuracy is not a serious issue, is it? hell, it makes more difficult for israeli civilians to prepare as they has no idea whatsoever where next rocket will drop. and as an israeli politician it is political suicide to just sit back and allow your people to be chased into shelters and bunkers on a daily basis. but again, israelis ain't blameless here. we suspect that they ain't been genuine 'bout finding a peaceful solution that would benefit both sides for over a decade. HA! Good Fun! ps am suggesting caution: you don't seem to realize that your perspective is functional legitimizing any and all terrorist organizations.

good question http://theweek.com/article/index/259597/sorry-there-is-no-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict is a goodish summation. HA! Good Fun!

"may have a slant against Israel"? ... "may"? umm... "may"? really? *shrug* US new agencies is not state run, so you do get personal politics bleeding through with some networks such as msnbc and fox-- gotta pick and choose. conversely, lack of government control or funding by the emir o' qatar is an obvious benefit US news sources enjoy. nevertheless, you didn't actually say, "may," did you? HA! Good Fun! ps http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2010/09/20109783540588282.html is a nifty example. "Ahmad Tharwat, a political commentator in the US..." who? some clown in minnesota with a cable access show kinda like wayne's world, but without the production values? is a typical ploy.

60 minutes? everybody knows that the only reputable sources o' news is al-jazeera and rt. that were sarcasm btw. am suspecting that more than a few folks wouldn't get that. HA! Good Fun!

btw, as israel has already committed ground troops, we suspect the operation ends only when israel feels they has achieved objectives o' tunnel destruction and crippling o' other hamas resources, or when israeli casualties get too high. idf pressure in gaza will force hamas to utilize tunnels they were trying to keep secret, which only plays into israeli hands. attacking and injuring israelis from secret tunnels not only reveals their location, but also reveals the magnitude o' the tunnel threat. that being said, if idf casualties do mount, it will be difficult to maintain this operation in the face o' pressure from israeli citizens. palestinian casualties, many of whom will be civilian, is largely a non-factor unless those numbers threaten to eclipse 2008 totals. HA! Good Fun!

am not certain how you is coming to conclusions. http://www.businessinsider.com/gaza-civilians-actually-reject-hamas-policies-2014-7 hamas is not politically strong at the moment. yes, a core group will be galvanized by the recent tragedies, but just as many palestinians will be even more angered by the actions o' hamas. israeli airstrikes in gaza and civilian casualties is being blamed on hamas almost as much as they is being blamed on israel. furthermore, you ignore pressures from the israeli populace. as an israeli, how many consecutive nights do you spend in air-raid shelters and bunkers before you demand military action? a couple days? a week? israelis were forced to do something even if it were largely impotent. 'course what israeli's no doubt really wanted is what the got: a legitimate reason to put down boots in gaza. that 33% diminished rocket capacity is nothing compared to the value israel is getting from the current operation. they is now able to destroy tunnels and the limited infrastructure o' terror hamas has. they is also able to hunt down individual hamas leaders and exterminate them. more significant to Gromnir at the moment is how bloodless this operation is for the israelis. a large number o' israeli casualties would not sit well with the israeli people. one reason the idf needed to endure so much o' the rocket nonsense is that the last few gaza operations did not sit well with israeli voters. nevertheless, hamas were planning for this and provoking it-- claimed that they were prepared this time. well guess what, the idf is going into gaza with no intention of holding territory, but surgically cutting out hamas assets, and they is doing so with a ridiculous small loss o' life on their part. yeah, it doesn't look like the folks in gaza have full iraninan support this time, but there is no doubt more than a few American generals who will be studying this operation so as to get some pointers on how to execute urban warfare operations-- just so long as things continue as they currently is. am disagreeing that this is pointless from israeli pov. every time israeli citizens went running for shelters, the likelihood increased that a greater idf response would become a political necessity for israel. furthermore, the israelis have been hoping for this since 2008-2009. they gots a very good idea where tunnels and hamas leaders is and they has been looking for an opportunity to get into gaza and eliminate resources. that being said, we kinda agree that this were pointless for hamas, but we s'pose it were political necessary from their pov too. "Out of context, everything is." is that meant as irony? you were the first guy in this thread promoting the body count test. but we agree, without context the body counts is meaningless... which is why we provided some. HA! Good Fun!

body count is a silly measure. the israelis had more casualties than did the palestinians in 1947 even after the arab invasion. so, does that mean that the israelis had moral high ground back then, but now they don't? is same issues now as then, yes? before the six days war, multiple arab nations put a total o' over 300k troops on the israeli boarder, shelled multiple israeli settlements with artillery and the leaders o' jordan, syria and egypt all called for the extermination o' jews in palestine. heck, egypt cut off shipping access to the red sea, which were as much an act o' war as anything else. nevertheless, the idf beat the snot outta the arabs in 1967. so, the israelis were the moral victors in 1947 'cause they had more jewish corpses to bury, but after 1967 they finally became the bad guys 'cause they finally surged ahead in body count. does that make sense? 1,663 rockets have been launched from gaza in recent weeks. iron dome is a missile defense system that is, according to experts, 70% effective at destroying incoming rockets. yeah, the gaza rocket attacks is random and not targeting specific buildings or any such as they don't have that capability, but it is only by the most extreme good fortune that no rocket attack has hit israelis thus far. should israel wait til they is hit before they respond? how many successful rocket attacks is needed before the idf were allowed to use airstrikes as a response? those airstrikes didn't work to stop the rocket attacks btw, so does that mean isaelis shoulda' waited longer before using ineffectual airstrikes, or should they have immediately gone with sending troops into gaza? am confused. 3 israeli kids is murdered. 1 palestinian kid is burned alive in response. the israelis actual did investigate the murder o' the palestinian kid, but riots ensue and israeli police is injured. predictably, palestinians is also injured in the riots. who were the bad guys at this point? the palestinians start firing rockets from gaza and the israelis respond with airstrikes. at what point is it ok for israel to respond? how long would US have waited to respond if a group were shooting rockets at American cities? egypt brokered a cease-fire which israel honored. the palestinians did not. this isn't shocking as the command/control o' hamas and other organizations is laughable, but regardless, the palestians kept firing rockets while the isarealis waited out the night. who were bad guys at this point? the israelis are better trained, have better equipment and apparently have better intelligence than does the palestinians. is not surprising that the palestinians, who is attacking from mobs or densely populated civilian areas and have none o' the aforementioned advantages we mentioned, is gonna be suffering more casualties. we noted above that we thinks the israelis is trigger-happy. ever since the last time the idf put boots down in gaza, they have been looking for an excuse to go at it again-- lord only knows why. occupying gaza were a tactical and strategic blunder and the israelis no doubt learned from their mistakes. hamas claimed that they also learned, but so far that don't appear to be true. regardless, body count is a stupid measuring stick. am not even certain when you start the count or how. did 9/11 give the US freedom to kill 3,000 terrorists? less than 100 o' those killed in 9/11 were military personnel. does that mean that the US had justification to kill 30 arab civilians for every terrorist to adequate balance the body count? sorry, but bodies is a ridiculous measure. HA! Good Fun! ps chomsky might wanna rethink his comments. prisoners o' war is afforded far more rights than is terrorists.

Not really. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CROWS am thinking you miss our point about the machine gun. if your beach landing is contested (and who needs an armoured vehicle if it ain't contested,) then having a machine gun defending your exposed wheelhouse is not gonna be particularly reassuring to the pilot. honestly, this is common sense stuff. "What I understand it is not meant to be such assault vehicle that will take hostile beach, but instead a heavy carrier that brings tanks and other heavy land vehicles to beach after it's already secured or at least mostly secured." ... am thinking Gromnir is even more confused by the need for this vehicle if that is the case. oh well, i guess if the project keeps folks employed... HA! Good Fun!

This is just the prototype. The real version will have armor and machinegun. its a bass ackwards prototype. a machine gun will no doubt be much comfort to the pilot who is much exposed to enemy machine gun fire... and regardless, the thing is backwards. maybe it were purpose driving in reverse for video? dunno. HA! Good Fun! ps am s'posing it could be a proof-of-concept prototype wherein all they were testing were the propulsion system, but that seems kinda extreme. do that kinda thing in a bathtub, or with something much smaller, no?

for a beach assault craft, the wheelhouse looks a bit... exposed. also, is troops and equipment actual 'posed to disembark from the rear? potential needs to drive tanks and humvees and such towards water then circle around? the flippers look keen, but it not take a genius to recognize that there is some odd design choices that went into this thing. HA! Good Fun!

am curious where shady were taking pictures. colorado, yes? am seeing ski lifts in background, but in colorado that hardly narrows things. am kinda into purchasing real estate and while most everything we own is in CA, we were considering taking advantage o' some o' the cheapy property available near pueblo, co. nevertheless, am curious 'bout your pictures... we honestly only know colorado for ski destinations such as vail, aspen, winterpark, etc. HA! Good Fun! ps pueblo reminds us much of sacramento, ca. is arid and bland and you ain't far from mountains. you got a smallish state college in town. dunno. we like value, but it were perhaps too familiar. Those were taken in Crested Butte, CO gracias HA! Good Fun!

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am curious where shady were taking pictures. colorado, yes? am seeing ski lifts in background, but in colorado that hardly narrows things. am kinda into purchasing real estate and while most everything we own is in CA, we were considering taking advantage o' some o' the cheapy property available near pueblo, co. nevertheless, am curious 'bout your pictures... we honestly only know colorado for ski destinations such as vail, aspen, winterpark, etc. HA! Good Fun! ps pueblo reminds us much of sacramento, ca. is arid and bland and you ain't far from mountains. you got a smallish state college in town. dunno. we like value, but it were perhaps too familiar.