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Disregarded FO canon in rather vague ways, thus becoming the Tactics Heresy, and attracting the amount of hate, fear and outrage that heresies rightfully stir. Makes perfect sense.

The first and foremost duty of the government is to preserve the status quo. All other considerations come later. Also, you have twice dodged the point. The legitimate government does not represent illegals. Nor should it try to. At the detriment of general use of English? Did the rest of the famliy have to learn French so they could still communicate in the family? Yep. Thus forming isolated (in many ways) communities of immigrants. Is that desirable? Never been there, but are you still able to make yourself understood in the official language of the country? If not, that is a problem. So, let me get this straight. They can be as selfish, rude and purposefully oblivious as they want, but we have to be selfless, help them fit in, and accomodate to them? That's not what I would call "integrate themselves very nicely". I don't know about you, but I don't like to feel like a foreigner in my own country. It's a strawman because the point is only valid because of the absurd proportions it's been taken to. Freedom of Religion is a fundamental human right. Not only you are not breaking any human rights by requiring people to know the language of the country they want to live in, it's established that way in the Constitution, I think.

Um, no. "Safe" (100%) sex does not exist.

I'd think it'd have worked better if you had offered to shoot only one of his kneecaps off.

That's a lot of literature. Most of them seem focused in either Mexican or US History and politics, rather than immigration itself. I'll see if I can find any of them in Spanish, since I'm not too keen on reading textbooks in English. Thanks for the references. Um, I think I did answer it, if not explicitly, maybe. Okay then, I'll be more clear. No, the government is there to enforce the law, and preserve the culture of those that elected the government, as well as those people themselves. If people aren't happy with that, or the ethnical or cultural composition of the majority changes, then people will elect a different government that will change the law. That's democracy for good or ill... And why aren't the two situations comparable? Does it not come down to forcing others to accomodate you instead of the other way around when you are the alien? Yes, but legal immigrants are far less than illegals. Therefore, their impact on the culture is diminished. Also, and as GD pointed out before, you are actually required to know something about the US when immigrating there legally. So I guess that you mean some illegals care nothing for the country they are going to get their livelihood (and possibly their families') off. This is at best selfish, and at worst, an incitation for xenophobia. So, why should any government accomodate to these people, again? Such as speaking in English during dinner? Come on. That's a strawman. BUT. Would I have them address us in our language? Yes. Would I have them have breakfast, lunch, and dinner with the rest of the family? Yes. Would I have them help with home chores? You bet I would. No doubt. But in those cases, there's at least a will to try. I guess that depends on how you define "danger".

Jedi Academy had the best LS combat As a matter of fact, Jedi Academy/JO lightsaber combat sucked. Running around in circles beyond lightsaber range, jumping and rolling around like crazy simply does not qualify as "combat". And when you actually got into saber range, results were way too random. Not to mention the ridiculously unbalanced Force powers. ...And I spent some 4 years in JO/JA clans, playing competitively and stuff. So I know something about it. On the other hand, the RotS game, for all its faults, had an awesome lightsaber combat system, with combos, parries, blocks, counterhits, stuns, and Force powers that worked without breaking the flow of the duel, or the game itself. Different lightsaber styles for each character as well. I wish they would release a Tekken-style game like the limited vs mode the game featured. But yeah, TIE Fighter (the classic with iMuse music) > all.

Can you point to some book on Mexican immigration you have read to reach your (obviously) informed opinion?

You didn't answer the question, which leads me to believe you are just being argumentative. It's not a matter of government, but a matter of customs, culture, and manners (or lack thereof). If the majority of immigrants were of that African ethnicity that encourages female genital mutilation, should the government just legalize it because "the government should represent the constituency"? An extreme example no doubt, but valid still, since it's ultimately an example of culture clash. Furthermore, the extent and validity of the "constituency" you refer to is in dispute as well, since illegals by definition are not a part of that. So I'll reformulate. If you were an exchange student living with a family abroad, would you adapt to them or force them to do things your way?

Couldn't you apply this same logic to governments? When you are a guest in someone else's house, do you try and force them do things your way?

The real question here is, would you be interested in "Massage Therapy Review: Passing the NCETMB and NCETM with Student CD-ROM by Laura A. Abbott"? Well, would you?

I save all my money for myself.

Heh. Interestingly enough, they aren't Spanish, and they don't see themselves that way. I say this because in my country, we get A LOT of South American ("latin" is a misnomer) immigrants, and they act just the way you have described. This might seem odd since the language is roughly the same, but still they manage to isolate themselves and form their own exclusive communities (I've even seen them go as far as printing their own newspapers for themselves), thus purposefully preventing their integration into our society. I personally hate this. But, it's not their fault. It's ours because we allow them to do it in our country. They are quick to cry xenophobia, too.

Shut up.

Go smallpox, GO!

Only broken when Fio posts them?

^h8...

While I know you are not addressing me specifically, I'll just let you know I'm Spanish. And we have a bit of an immigration problem as well. Just so you don't mischaracterize me. Not saying you would, of course.

Yes. Because operating outside of the law is so much fun, everyone wants to do it! Edited for DRAMA! No, only about 50% of them. Actually, you should re-read the article. It's more about the increasing efficiency in identifying illegal immigrants in US jails and prisons so they can be deported, than an actual study on the proportion of criminal illegals. There isn't a direct relation between the fact that 50% of the deported illegal immigrants last year had criminal records and the actual proportion of illegal immigrant criminals. After all, it makes sense that criminals have more chances of being deported than non-criminals. EDIT: damn I'm dense today.

In fact, theft is defined differently than you think. Right now, the way illegal immigrants are integrated into the economic tissue of the country makes it so they provide more than they take from it. Therefore, it's not theft. Probably. But then many small and mid-sized businesses would not be able to operate, which may lead to a certain degree of economic recession. Not that you care about that, though, as it would be a LAWFUL depression. Another word whose meaning obviously escapes you. Maybe you should stick to monosyllabes from now on? Yes. Because operating outside of the law is so much fun, everyone wants to do it! Edited for DRAMA!

Please present some proof to back your claim that Paul didn't attempt to silence the gnostic sects... You are using fallacious arguments.

"R00fle!" all you want, but I have trouble picturing people that live below the threshold of poverty and whose only aim is to feed themselves and their families abroad as "immoral thieves". And in many cases, if their employers had to rely on legal labor, they would go bankrupt... Keep in mind that not everyone that is not Volourn is an Evil Megacorporation.

Well, the edit function can be used to the same effect. Hell, the "post reply" feature can be (and has been) used to that effect. There's no 100% troll-proof system. Is it fair that all users have to see useful features removed because there's a slim possibility for misuse? That's not a very sound reasoning, I'd say. And after giving it some thought, I do think the rating system is pretty silly and pointless, and is good only to cause frictions. All the regulars know what the others are about mostly, and seeing "2 stars" under a user's name may lead new members to unfair preconceptions. Wait until the I-rate-you-you-rate-me thing starts hitting hard. People are going to start forming even tighter groups than before... not pretty.

GiebMeGoldplz?

First off, adding "r00fles!" at the end of your posts does not strengthen your case, regardless of what you might have heard. And then, I never said "it's ok" to have illegal immigrants. But they exist, and removing them is not easy or even viable without causing new (and possibly worse) problems. They most certainly can't be "thrown out" just like that. Other than that, yeah. Countries should be able to uphold their right to police their boundaries as they see fit, all immigrants should be required to go through all proper official procedures, and all that jazz. In theory.

Empire what? " j/k As for the fence itself... yeah. As Josh said, illegal immigrants serve a purpose. If you remove them with initiatives like this, you're going to cause more trouble than you're actually solving...