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You would be wrong, and I suggest expanding your horizons to include more people of different mindsets, so you are not wrong about such things in the future. There's a lot of folks who support Trump for a variety of reasons. Those are the ones that have been on his bandwagon for many or more months. The 'voting for Trump so we don't get Hillary crowd' hasn't yet factored in all that much. A good many, if not most of the folks in that crowd are still dazed and confused of sorts. They haven't yet come to terms with the idea that they will need to vote Trump if they don't want Hillary Clinton in office. Almost every Bernie supporter I know, as well as even many diehard lifetime red voters are in this crowd.

And there we have it... smh. All you have there is a bit of rubbish to sell some papers that won't go anywhere, or what historians (if there are any) will one day list as a major factor leading up to a civil (if not wider) war. British Parliament, the EU aristocrats, the globalist/banker elite ignore the will of still currently peacefully voting British majority at their very great peril. That said, I'm not sure some very evil MFers aren't actually angling for war at some point out of all of this. Either way the hubris at play currently measures off the charts.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6rq7o-qUHc

Do you sincerely believe this? Sheesh! if you do. As it certainly isn't so. I wouldn't even levy that accusation at Hillary's camp. Both campaigns know what they are doing methinks. While Hillary herself might be an incompetent sociopathic Eviloid, her string pullers are at least competent, if not still sociopathic Eviloids.. Get those 'The Great Valsuelm has spoken!' posts ready.

I dislike just using one or two polls to make an argument, but FiveThirtyEight grades WashingtonPost/ABC News as an A+ pollster. There's something to that. Looking at the big picture, Clinton has had a steady, and sometimes huge lead in the aggregate over Trump since the start of the campaign season. It's getting closer to final bell and Clinton's been more than capable of absorbing Trump's haymakers. Final bell? The main event hasn't even kicked off yet. No haymakers have been thrown by Trump at Hillary yet, nor vice versa. All that's happened is some pre main event jibjabbing by the contestants. The ass whoppin of Hillary is coming, worry not.

WoD pretty much said it. Obama, Hillary, Bill, Georges B., et al are/were playing as much for team U.S.A. as Merkel, Cameron, Hollande et. al. are playing for team Germany, U.K., France, respectively and etc... which is to say they are only doing so in name only. All are/were bought and paid for globalist shills who would as soon see the nation they are supposed to be leading burn as any other to achieve the goals of the people who hold their strings. In my opinion its because most of our spineless lapdog politicians were useful sock puppets for the USAs interests in Europe, a foothold in the door so to speak and an ally amongst what may be a future enemy. It is not in the people of the U.S.A.'s interest for the EU to even exist. Obama and Hillary supporting 'remain' has nothing to do with furthering the interests of the people of the U.S.A., nor is near anything else they ever do or say.

You've got nothing but irrelevance on the subject at hand. Bring something to the table, or go away. Sorry your ego was bruised. I had thought you were above projection.

Historical context, please. The forward Christian thinkers that fought for religious tolerance and the separation of Church and state were a product of the aftermath of the incredibly bloody massacres that were perpetrated in Europe by Christians, for -on the surface- religious reasons, for over a hundred years. It is not possible to understand modern Western culture without the religion wars of the 16th and 17th centuries. So yeah, Christians. But only after they figured out that maybe, maybe, burning the heretic, killing the mutant, purging the unclean wasn't the best way to go about it. How about we try to foster the same kind of self-reflection within Islam rather than going full-on Der Stürmer at the drop of a hat? --- Regarding the Muslim rape gangs. While appalling, it's a drop in the ocean, sadly. Look up the numbers of child sex trafficking involving Eastern Europe. Hint: the mafias controlling that trade are run by white kingpins, and directed mostly at Western European white customers. edit: sure guv'nor, no more talk of Muslims. For all the good it does anyway... In the vast majority of the posts I ever make on any given topic on this forum, historical context is considered (frankly, hence my point of view on many things as I have deep knowledge of the history (I generally don't opine when I don't know, I listen)). The one you reference, is not one of the exceptions. I'm more than well aware of the situations which you bring up, however, in the context in which I was writing, they are a combination of acknowledged and irrelevant to the point I was making.

Thanks. As someone who knows how to use excel, and is pretty good at it (I would have formatted the sheet in a far more intuitively readable way) and regularly works with people who are also competent at using excel, it sometimes eludes me how people can be so bad at it, as it is far from rocket science. I've little doubt you are right though and it's likely just pure failure on the part of the person who made the excel sheet, rather than my failure to interpret their BS. But hey.. I make mistakes and sometimes don't see **** too... Note for anyone not familiar with excel: really, it's amazing how many people makes sheets with this simple program who have no idea what they are doing. It is sometimes my bad when I assume people know what they are doing. I challenge anyone to tell me what those asterisks are, and I thank you if you can do so.

So you think Wikipedia just created those cases out of thin air? That none of those rape cases happened and Wikipedia made them up? BTW, those are all cases that have been investigated, put on trial, and the Muslim rapists were convicted. So it was not like Wikipedia just invented them. Because raping is solely a muslim business .... riiiiiiiiiiiight... give me a break... *sighs* Rape gangs and sexual grooming are Muslim businesses. I have not heard of any other demographic group that do those things on such a large scale. For example: Chinese or Koreans do not have rape gangs targeting white women. Chinese or Koreans do not groom little girl for sexual slavery. Yet we keep reading about how Muslims - in particularly Pakistanis (who are unfortunately called "Asians" by the British media) - consistently commit those atrocities. Here you have and example of Christian performed gang rape https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/27/dozens-of-men-took-part-in-the-gang-rape-of-a-brazilian-teen-the-the-video-made-it-online/ Which is actually uncommon. As I said: Which is a pattern. Which is a culture of Islam. FYI: the founder of Islam himself was a bandit warlord in his late life who was going around pillaging, plundring, raping and abducting women as sex slaves. That was what Mohammad did. That is what Islam was founded on. And that is what Islam is. Mohammad was a brutal warlord; he was not a hippy who renounced violence and went around preaching non-violence; he was not a prince who renounced power and wealth to pursue enlightenment. Mohammad was not a peaceful man in his life. So what makes you think Islam is any different from the behaviors of its founder? Ok let's judge now all Christians by Bible verses, too: You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT Apples and Oranges at best. a) Leviticus is Old Testament. Most Christian denominations put oodles more emphasis on the New Testament than the Old, if they even refer much to the Old at all. Hence they are Christians, not Jews. b) It was Christian nations that abolished slavery (the overt form anyways) first within their own nations, and then campaigned to abolish it worldwide. Not Muslim, not Jewish, not Animist, Buddhist, Hindu, or whatever else. Christians. c) It was almost exclusively Christians (albeit not all of them, for quite some time), mostly of the Protestant flavor that fought tirelessly, bled, and died for the liberties which you now enjoy. Not Muslims, Not Jews, not Animists, Buddhists, Hindus, or whatever else. Christians. d) Actions speak louder than words. There is indeed a problem with many of the immigrants in Europe, as well as elsewhere. Many of these problems are via Muslims. e) Actions speak louder than words. If a book you believe in to at least some degree saying to do X or X is ok is one thing, actually doing it yourself is another. f) Many modern Muslims do indeed believe they are at war with 'the west' and Christianity. Some of them do live within the borders of western nations. That is a problem. Likewise it would be a problem if the roles were reversed (and occasionally they have been). I could go on... possibly all the way through the alphabet even.... but, the point should already be made.

Well, well, well. What do we have here in the donor list? (Those who in bold are those that got my attention at first glance) $25 million + Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation * Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership (Canada) * Fred Eychaner * Frank Giustra, The Radcliffe Foundation Nationale Postcode Loterij * The Children's Investment Fund Foundation $10-25 million AUSAID Stephen L. Bing COPRESIDA Tom Golisano Government of Norway The Hunter Foundation * Kingdom of Saudi Arabia * The Victor Pinchuk Foundation Cheryl and Haim Saban & The Saban Family Foundation * The ELMA Foundation Theodore W. Waitt $5-10 million S. Daniel Abraham Sheikh Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi Susie Tompkins Buell Fund of the Marin Community Foundation * C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group, Inc. * Commonwealth of Australia, DIICC * Elton John AIDS Foundation Government of the Netherlands Irish Aid J.B. and M.K. Pritzker Family Foundation * John D. Mackay Denis J. O'Brien * Michael Schumacher State of Kuwait The Coca-Cola Company * The Rockefeller Foundation The Swedish Postcode Lottery * The Wasserman Foundation * $1-5 million 100 Women in Hedgefunds Absolute Return for Kids (ARK) Jay Alix Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa Nasser Al-Rashid American Federation of Teachers * Angelopoulos Foundation * Gianna Angelopoulos Anheuser-Busch Foundation Smith and Elizabeth Bagley * Barclays Capital Mary Bing and Doug Ellis Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund * Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina * Richard Blum and Blum Family Foundation * Booz Allen Hamilton * The Eli and Edythe Broad Foundation * The Sherwood Foundation * Richard and Jackie Caring * Gilbert R. Chagoury Christy and John Mack Foundation * Cisco * Citi Foundation The Clinton Family Foundation * Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund Stephen J. Cloobeck * Roy E. ****rum * Victor P. Dahdaleh & The Victor Phillip Dahdaleh Charitable Foundation The ERANDA Foundation * Robert Disbrow Dubai Foundation Duke Energy Corporation Entergy ExxonMobil * Issam M. Fares & The Wedge Foundation * Joseph T. Ford Wallace W. Fowler Friends of Saudi Arabia Fundacion Telmex Mala Gaonkar Haarman GEMS Education * Ariadne Getty * GIZ - Deutsche Gesellschaft für Internationale * The James R. Greenbaum, Jr. Family Foundation Vin Gupta * Worldwide Support for Development * Hewlett-Packard Company * Hult International Business School * Humana Inc. * ICAP Services North America * Inter-American Development Bank * Sanela D. Jenkins Robert L. Johnson * Walid Juffali Dave Katragadda Kessler Family Foundation Michael and Jena King Laureate International Universities Lukas Lundin MAC AIDS Fund The Marc Haas Foundation * Microsoft * Lakshmi N. Mittal James R. Murdoch Norad (Norwegian Agency for Development Cooperation) * NRG Energy, Inc. * OAS S.A. OCP Corporation Open Society Institute Jonathan M. Orszag * Peter G. Peterson Foundation * Pfizer Inc * PGA Tour, Inc. * Presidential Inaugural Committee Princess Diana Memorial Fund Procter & Gamble * Stewart Rahr Paul D. Reynolds Robertson Foundation Newsmax Media Inc. * Salida Capital Foundation Donald L. Saunders * Joachim Schoss Bernard L. Schwartz Walter H. Shorenstein Arnold H. Simon Bren Simon * Amar Singh Carlos Slim Helú & Fundación Carlos Slim Michael Smurfit * Harold Snyder Sol Goldman Charitable Trust * Steven Spielberg Standard Chartered Bank * Starkey Hearing Foundation * Starkey Hearing Technologies, Inc. * State of Qatar Sterling Stamos Capital Management, LP The Streisand Foundation * Suzlon Energy Ltd. Swedish Postcode Foundation Swiss Reinsurance Company * Nima Taghavi * Tenet Healthcare Corporation * The Annenberg Foundation The Boeing Company The Dow Chemical Company * The ELMA Philanthropies Services (U.S.) Inc. The Ford Foundation * The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. * The Government of Brunei Darussalam The Howard Gilman Foundation The New York Community Trust * The Roy and Christine Sturgis Charitable & Educational Trust The Sidney E. Frank Foundation The Sultanate of Oman * The Walmart Foundation The Zayed Family Thomson Reuters Torres-Picón Foundation * Toyota Motor North America, Inc. * Tracfone Wireless, Inc. * T.G. Holdings U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC) * UK Department for International Development ( DFID) United Arab Emirates * Verein Aids Life The Walton Family Foundation * Rilin Enterprises * Gerardo Werthein Frank White * The Wyss Foundation * YPY Holding Limited * This list. Where exactly did you get it? I'd like to send it on to some folks I know outside of Obsidian land. What numbersman said, check the link and scroll down to the 25k+-donors file (it's an excel-file). One can hope that Merkel follows in his footsteps next year. Long live Assad!? Well, they don't call him "Can't Mossad the Assad" without reason. Thanks. I'd done that before. However it opened only to the $25k list. I did not notice the first time that one had to scroll left. Any idea what the asterisks represent? I can't seem to find where that's defined. First time I'd heard Assad called that. Though it's fitting. Israel would have offed him many years ago if they could have, and no doubt they've never stopped actively trying. Truly though, Assad falling would be very very bad for world politik given who wants him gone and why. Long live that guy indeed. And the Mossad can't get to their ultimate home in the deepest depths of hell fast enough. F them forever.

Make a new post. Else many will miss your essay.

One can hope that Merkel follows in his footsteps next year. Long live Assad!?

Nigel is the shiz. One of the only politicians anywhere on earth at a national level that is telling it at least somewhat like it is. Got a problem with him relative to other politicians, and I'd say you've probably got a problem with reality.

You know the irony of all that is there were deaths back in Arkansas that were a lot more suspicious than that one with much better evidence of foul play and cover up. But for some reason this is the one that gets remembered. That is not to suggest anyone named Clinton had anything to do with any of them but it does beg the question when the Arkansas State Police determine the AG (one William Jefferson Clinton) former mistress Suzanne Coleman committed suicide by shooting herself in the back of the head with a rifle. Vince Foster was never 'debunked'. There are some unanswerable questions. Suzanne Coleman is just one of many of who died in Arkansas who had their deaths covered up under Bill Clinton's watch, as AG and as governor. My personal opinion on all of these vary, though I'd say the teenagers killed who stumbled on a drug drop probably has the biggest red flags of all. It'll be interesting to see if the forthcoming Tom Cruise movie 'Mena' mentions Clinton's connections to 'Iran Contra'. Doubtful, as there are other bigger players to mention first (like Bush), and a 2-3 hour long movie is only going to be able to show the tip of the iceberg, but it's certainly possible.

Well, well, well. What do we have here in the donor list? (Those who in bold are those that got my attention at first glance) $25 million + Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation * Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership (Canada) * Fred Eychaner * Frank Giustra, The Radcliffe Foundation Nationale Postcode Loterij * The Children's Investment Fund Foundation $10-25 million AUSAID Stephen L. Bing COPRESIDA Tom Golisano Government of Norway The Hunter Foundation * Kingdom of Saudi Arabia * The Victor Pinchuk Foundation Cheryl and Haim Saban & The Saban Family Foundation * The ELMA Foundation Theodore W. Waitt $5-10 million S. Daniel Abraham Sheikh Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi Susie Tompkins Buell Fund of the Marin Community Foundation * C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group, Inc. * Commonwealth of Australia, DIICC * Elton John AIDS Foundation Government of the Netherlands Irish Aid J.B. and M.K. Pritzker Family Foundation * John D. Mackay Denis J. O'Brien * Michael Schumacher State of Kuwait The Coca-Cola Company * The Rockefeller Foundation The Swedish Postcode Lottery * The Wasserman Foundation * $1-5 million 100 Women in Hedgefunds Absolute Return for Kids (ARK) Jay Alix Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa Nasser Al-Rashid American Federation of Teachers * Angelopoulos Foundation * Gianna Angelopoulos Anheuser-Busch Foundation Smith and Elizabeth Bagley * Barclays Capital Mary Bing and Doug Ellis Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund * Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina * Richard Blum and Blum Family Foundation * Booz Allen Hamilton * The Eli and Edythe Broad Foundation * The Sherwood Foundation * Richard and Jackie Caring * Gilbert R. Chagoury Christy and John Mack Foundation * Cisco * Citi Foundation The Clinton Family Foundation * Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund Stephen J. Cloobeck * Roy E. ****rum * Victor P. Dahdaleh & The Victor Phillip Dahdaleh Charitable Foundation The ERANDA Foundation * Robert Disbrow Dubai Foundation Duke Energy Corporation Entergy ExxonMobil * Issam M. Fares & The Wedge Foundation * Joseph T. Ford Wallace W. Fowler Friends of Saudi Arabia Fundacion Telmex Mala Gaonkar Haarman GEMS Education * Ariadne Getty * GIZ - Deutsche Gesellschaft für Internationale * The James R. Greenbaum, Jr. Family Foundation Vin Gupta * Worldwide Support for Development * Hewlett-Packard Company * Hult International Business School * Humana Inc. * ICAP Services North America * Inter-American Development Bank * Sanela D. Jenkins Robert L. Johnson * Walid Juffali Dave Katragadda Kessler Family Foundation Michael and Jena King Laureate International Universities Lukas Lundin MAC AIDS Fund The Marc Haas Foundation * Microsoft * Lakshmi N. Mittal James R. Murdoch Norad (Norwegian Agency for Development Cooperation) * NRG Energy, Inc. * OAS S.A. OCP Corporation Open Society Institute Jonathan M. Orszag * Peter G. Peterson Foundation * Pfizer Inc * PGA Tour, Inc. * Presidential Inaugural Committee Princess Diana Memorial Fund Procter & Gamble * Stewart Rahr Paul D. Reynolds Robertson Foundation Newsmax Media Inc. * Salida Capital Foundation Donald L. Saunders * Joachim Schoss Bernard L. Schwartz Walter H. Shorenstein Arnold H. Simon Bren Simon * Amar Singh Carlos Slim Helú & Fundación Carlos Slim Michael Smurfit * Harold Snyder Sol Goldman Charitable Trust * Steven Spielberg Standard Chartered Bank * Starkey Hearing Foundation * Starkey Hearing Technologies, Inc. * State of Qatar Sterling Stamos Capital Management, LP The Streisand Foundation * Suzlon Energy Ltd. Swedish Postcode Foundation Swiss Reinsurance Company * Nima Taghavi * Tenet Healthcare Corporation * The Annenberg Foundation The Boeing Company The Dow Chemical Company * The ELMA Philanthropies Services (U.S.) Inc. The Ford Foundation * The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. * The Government of Brunei Darussalam The Howard Gilman Foundation The New York Community Trust * The Roy and Christine Sturgis Charitable & Educational Trust The Sidney E. Frank Foundation The Sultanate of Oman * The Walmart Foundation The Zayed Family Thomson Reuters Torres-Picón Foundation * Toyota Motor North America, Inc. * Tracfone Wireless, Inc. * T.G. Holdings U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC) * UK Department for International Development ( DFID) United Arab Emirates * Verein Aids Life The Walton Family Foundation * Rilin Enterprises * Gerardo Werthein Frank White * The Wyss Foundation * YPY Holding Limited * This list. Where exactly did you get it? I'd like to send it on to some folks I know outside of Obsidian land.

Yup, seems like the pro-EU party consists of prime examples of good educated humans... EDIT: Having said that if there was a chance, I would vote pro-Nexit. And no, I don't vote PVV. What TN is referring to is indoctrination, not education.

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In the case of the former, I can actually see scenarios where the powers that shouldn't be would allow for the UK to 'Brexit', though I would agree those scenarios are less likely than the remain scenarios (we'll find out in some hours). In the case of the latter, Trump even running at all is going to accomplish some good, win or lose, and probably not in the way most would normally expect.

Gary, is not the answer. Nor is the Libertarian party, which was hijacked years ago by the same folks who own the Republican and Democratic parties. There's oodles of evidence of this if you've followed the party over the years, but most recently Weld as the VP pick (despite the outcry of a great many folks in the party itself) should tell you all you need to know. If you don't like Trump (who is more of an outsider than Gary, and possibly even more libertarian at the end of the day) or Clinton, I suggest voting for Mickey! Or.... don't vote at all. Or, go ahead and vote Gary, which will essentially yield the same results (if he won) as voting Rubio, Cruz, Clinton, or any of the other establishment stooges.

So you're on the fence about ceding your national sovereignty with it's usually corrupt parliamentary democracy to an always corrupt always bought and paid for bureaucratic corporate/banker dictatorship? Really? This is a no brainer vote methinks. Do you want a say or not? If yes, vote GTFO, if no, vote remain. The whole you've got corrupt politicians thing is certainly real, but you've got a chance to get rid of them in any given election. This is likely your last chance ever to get rid of the corrupt bureaucrats in Brussels that trump your locally and nationally elected folks . Relatively peacefully anyways... Put very simply: Yay serfdom forever! > Remain To hell with serfdom! > Leave and continue to fight the good political fight within your nation.

Greatness? Do you consider Trump a great man, what in your view makes him great? Trump is cool, sharp, brash, assertive and self-confident; he is successful in every of his lifes goals, he is successful in his business ventures and he swims in money; women want him, men want to be like him and he has beautiful wife with a beautiful family that loves him. He is tall, has a great set of hair, an imposing figure and finally: a proud american who loves his country country without any regret and with a clear conscience. Such sense of being is greatness and such greatness works like a magnet for those who are jealous of it. Michael Steven Stanford on the other hand, emotional, afraid, autistic and filled with self-hatred. He is poor, he lives in his car, he hasn't succeeded in anything. No women wants him and men make fun of him. He is short, sad, unkempt with a forgettable figure and finally: an illegal alien who hates america, filled with regrets and a buckling conscience. When witnessed with such greatness, he instinctively has to destroy it, as he cannot bear the knowledge of its mere existence. He tries to follow the path of Zé Pequeno in "City of God", but he fails even at that. A total failure. Superb movie!

LoL. No. Care to explain why? .... Nope! Sorry, not wasting my time on that one, especially in a thread not about it. You may as well be linking articles on Barbie and Ken's love life. But worry not, that's one scenario that will never play out in realityland. Or waste your time worrying if that floats your boat, but I suggest finding better things to do.