Chilloutman

This is ironically such a Russian response through and through. Whenever someone in Russia exposes government corruption the typical response from pro-Putin camp is, "But in America/Europe/etc. they do this too. You're are targeting us. You're doing this to undermine our country. You're an American agent (just like Wikileaks is being labeled a Russian front) etc, etc..." No my friend its not that but I can understand why you think that is what Im doing My point has nothing to do with Russia or China, they were just examples. My point and issue is with Wikileaks, they claim to want to make governments more accountable and they are interested in " the free flow of information " yet they only and consistently release information about the USA How can this possibly be seen in anyway but a campaign to undermine the USA? So Wikileaks is not objective and who made them the judge and jury or what information the world needs to see about the USA ....and we dont even know what is true and what is not So send them data about Russians or Chinese, I am quite sure they will be happy to leak them as well, they leak what they got...

I am done debating this, seems like moders agree as well, have fun defending pointless argument

this is not news thread

no, but if I just want to read news article I go to.. news sites, not forums Well he's trying to share a link, likely you wouldn't have come across it in other news sites for a while. Are you seriously not getting what I mean? Point of forums is discussion (usually). If he doesn't add any perspective or his view on it what is point of sharing links? Would it be ok if I just randomly drop links here and there?

no, but if I just want to read news article I go to.. news sites, not forums

always love posts with link only

So with that Vauld 7 stuff, does it mean that Alex Jones is actually decent journalist? xD

Can someone explain to me why:

Ben, you are so confused, on one hand you want to manipulate people so they think and live as you think is best and on other hand you support anti-government movements (I like wikileaks myself)

graphene magnets: https://phys.org/news/2017-03-czech-scientists-magnetic-carbon.html

how is it related to what we were talking about?

Not know much about it, I already pointed out that you can move out to place which suits you better. I am not saying that you should break up country you live in to suit your views (especially if you are clearly a minority)

Well in ideal word majority would not vote/force laws which goes against their interest where in dictator regime ruler pretty much can do whatever he likes no matter if its benefit for majority, its quite simple no? No. Because the majority can still do anything they want, and for te minority it makes no difference to be ruled by them or the dictator. Let's say there are 49% women and 51% men in a country. What would stop the men from declaring all women slaves? Now, this is a very extreme example, but I hope you get the notion Thats why there are constitutions ya know? And I don't think I get a notion. You don't present any alternative and historically we have evidence its best working system so far. And that is why nationalism have its meaning. You then don't end up in country which have relatively big groups with vastly opposing ideas

Well in ideal word majority would not vote/force laws which goes against their interest where in dictator regime ruler pretty much can do whatever he likes no matter if its benefit for majority, its quite simple no?

No but I for sure support decentralization of power So what do you think of his idea that majority rule is basically not all to different from dictatorship? Well that is why I am against globalisation. Its massive centralisation of power. If you don't like to live in Germany where majority feels that way you still can go somewhere else where majority thinks same as you. I am not sure where you are heading with this?

getting rid of previous rules who promoted slavery is not extremism in my book, if he killed anyone who was not part of his movement that would be probably different story. Only revolution which didn't get rid of previous rulers was ours (Velvet revolution) and it sucked Its like you would mark Lincoln as extremist https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror At least my recollection of him being a murderous fellow was somewhat accurate. Seems like scumbag, I agree

No but I for sure support decentralization of power

Name me one ideology that has not and could not produce extremists. Let's start with one! Democracy? Democracy? Oh please... democracy is one of the most radical ideologies ever to exist. Ask the American independence fighters. The French revolutionaries. More recently, ask those involved in the Arab spring. name one democratic extremist Robespierre OK, I dont know much about him but i would not call ending slavery and feudal system extremism So is Lenin an extremist then? Kinda, I feel much more negatively about Stalin. I am not sure if there was slavery in Russia during Tzar ruling. But as I already stated, I don't mind that Stalin get rid of ruling 'class' aka aristocracy. My problem with his that he killed anyone who was not part of his revolution

getting rid of previous rules who promoted slavery is not extremism in my book, if he killed anyone who was not part of his movement that would be probably different story. Only revolution which didn't get rid of previous rulers was ours (Velvet revolution) and it sucked Its like you would mark Lincoln as extremist

Name me one ideology that has not and could not produce extremists. Let's start with one!Democracy?Democracy? Oh please... democracy is one of the most radical ideologies ever to exist. Ask the American independence fighters. The French revolutionaries. More recently, ask those involved in the Arab spring. name one democratic extremist Robespierre OK, I dont know much about him but i would not call ending slavery and feudal system extremism I meant to ask you, we have a Czech criminal who is now incarcerated in SA but initially came to SA and demonstrated a degree of brutal intelligence and unseen violence who nearly controlled most of the drug scene in SA....we were totally unprepared for this type of criminality...how prominent is he in Czech ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Krej%C4%8D%C3%AD%C5%99 Hah he is kinda famous here. He is product of wild privatisation which happend after fall of comunism. Kinda a lot of these types get to the power during that turbulent times. Tons of people didn't know how valuable assets dispersed between population were and he bought them extremly cheaply and profited of it, but once easy money went off he get into shady businesses. We want you to keep him tho, our prisons are too nice

Name me one ideology that has not and could not produce extremists. Let's start with one!Democracy?Democracy? Oh please... democracy is one of the most radical ideologies ever to exist. Ask the American independence fighters. The French revolutionaries. More recently, ask those involved in the Arab spring. name one democratic extremist Robespierre OK, I dont know much about him but i would not call ending slavery and feudal system extremism

Name me one ideology that has not and could not produce extremists. Let's start with one! Democracy? Democracy? Oh please... democracy is one of the most radical ideologies ever to exist. Ask the American independence fighters. The French revolutionaries. More recently, ask those involved in the Arab spring. name one democratic extremist

Name me one ideology that has not and could not produce extremists. Let's start with one! Democracy? And what extremists are you talking about? 30+ millions of people dead in gulags were product of few extremists?

'unreasonable fear' HAH, Good one