Furiku

Oh no, someone was offended? On the Internet? Say it ain’t so. Whatever shall we do? Call the police? Stop the presses? Pass new laws and give up our personal freedoms and freedom of expression? Being offended obviously means something and gives said person special rights. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b48_1305790944 Also Feargus, how much things have changed, throwing your main customers under the bridge for a few nice articles in the press:

Game journalists seem to not want anyone to see any boobs, but they love praising and talking about gay sex and apparently touching each other's butts: http://www.destructoid.com/touchin-butts-and-taking-names-in-glow-tag-256174.phtml I think I'm seeing a pattern of what they're trying to do here.

1999, the heyday of the CRPG. That's because Kotaku are a bunch of talentless hacks out for hits nobody should be paying any ****ing attention to: https://soundcloud.com/ben-kuchera/jaffe-confrontation

And RPG developers were so progressive at one point and not sexually repressed at all… Now Josh Sawyer is going to design his games with Christian conservatives and extremist feminists in mind in accordance with Sharia law, he really knows his audience so well.

Our evil patriarchial privilege is showing through, by not wanting every character in a video game to be christian wholesome and every female character a shining example for feminism. It has to be purged by embedding feminist ideals deep within the game, making lots of characters gender neutral and making every female a woman's woman while the males can assume the position of slave driver, racist NPC #1, 2, 3 and preferably every single bad guy to reveal and uncover the viciousness of the patriarchal regime oppressing all of womynkind, then it shall change the world and elevate all of womynhood to their rightful place of ruling class of this world and everything will be great.

Opinion based, inherently subjective questions. Nobody will see or say the same thing, what someone finds "oversexualized" someone else will find not, just ask a monk or a nun. Same thing as to what you find to be "eye candy" or "sex objects"... I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, you either want a stereotype non-stereotype character or you want a character that appears stereotype but isn't stereotype... or something, I never even got why people have such an obsession with generally avoiding "stereotypes" as if they are something inherently evil/bad. Nobody was asking for pornography, this image sparked a 11-page thread arguing about "boob plate": http://forums.obsidi...ew-concept-art/ If you deem this pornography, there is something wrong with you, either way you should look up a definition of pornography. Your point? Again, your point? Who asked for "fetish outfits", who even brought them up? I'd be happy if you people stopped opening a thread every day about how feministic ideals are important and the game should totally be modeled after them and let Obsidian do their work without influencing them in any way, like with the "boob plate" thing. I haven't seen a single person asking for porn or fetish outfits, I've seen dozens of people decrying every single bit of sexualization and opening threads like this out of righteous indignation. Personally I'd like it if they take the "Game of Thrones" approach with the world, but I'd be content with whatever they come up on their own without the intereference of the PC-police secondguessing them at every step of the way. It all reminds me so much of this, just in a larger scale and with the consent of a lot of gaming publications "fighting for womens rights", all the while you're trying to shove everyone who doesn't want a PC/feminist agenda in their games into apparently "wanting to watch porn": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU And frankly, I want them as far away as possible from game design, just as much as I want Jack Thompson (or people like him/similar extremists) as far away as possible. Uh...okay... Also, none of this addresses my previous points.

http://i.imgur.com/1Rz32.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jkvwC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/rduR3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2fOjC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QVEKR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0t9oA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/pkevd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0sl5t.jpg http://www.romainter...bronzino/01.jpg http://sphotos-a.xx....780651565_n.jpg http://i.imgur.com/pLPS2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hwmfL.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hP2Z6.jpg http://i.imgur.com/nmPPa.png http://i.imgur.com/FobS7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/guJeX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BtdJC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8hV1o.jpg (The last two might not actually be historical representations of male plate armor) Also, it was the fashion between noblemen at the time, they all had to have their ****-bulge, usually in portraits together with their dogs in close proximity to it...: http://upload.wikime...ronzino_053.jpg http://themurkyfring...3/codpiece1.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot...t_young_man.jpg https://s3.amazonaws...f3b3267c9d8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/bEZUu.jpg Apparently some women at that time were also indignant at the oversexualization of men, guess some things don't change that much over the years, just the target...: Anyway, a vote for codpieces (you can call it **** armor though so we have a pendant to boob plate), is a vote for realism!

Maybe some "internal consistency" in your points would be good before you start berating other people, since none of what you say there fits together with much else you say or the posts you "Like". doesn't at all go together with: doesn't go together with: etc. Also, someone still needs to point out where people started asking for underwear armor/fetish gear or chainmail bikinis (preferably a topic made with that cause in mind, like the 5-6 now available on feminism), I'd be fine if you people stopped trying to pressure Obsidian into feminism-based design where they banned any evidence of boobs or skin and went away. There's not much point in arguing out your specific points if you either don't know what you want or make them under false pretenses and then just keep repeating them over and over. Even some of the obvious feminists harping on about patriarchial enslavement are at least trying harder than that, and at least they know what they want. I just hope you're more sure about some of the other points you bring up... Repeating something over and over for 10 times won't make your points stick out any more by the way, or make people suddenly think you're right, it'll just make them annoyed.

Quoting yourself over and over again won't make your points any more right and trying to sound like you somehow hold the universal truth might not have the desired effect either. Also, the company is called "Obsidian", not "Oblivion". You constantly sound like the primordial white-knight, I don't think the term would fit better on anyone else participating in this thread, but then Sweden is weird that way...: http://www.dailymail...-I-stop-it.html http://www.thelocal.se/20232/20090623/ http://www.slate.com...ntroversy_.html http://www.vice.com/...-sit-on-the-bus http://ferrada-noli....ndemned-by.html

Homer's works, Herakles, Odysseus, Theseus, Niebelungen, Beowulf, The Argonauts and almost every heroic epos sure all count as infantile and lazy. Since everybody knows that it's not actually the DEPICTION of said things without batting ones eyelashes in a mature manner instead of summoning up a hurricane of crap (like say in nude drawings/paintings/statues and movies being able to depict both women and men in the nude with people actually being able to regard those things in company without breaking out in a giggle) e.g. not having stupid taboos that helps a medium be taken seriously over time. Nope, there's not thousands of movies and paintings with nudity and more recently series like Game of Thrones, Rome, The Borgias, Dexter, Mad Men, American Horror Stories. What makes people take a medium seriously is people complaining every single time someone tries to include any nudity or similar thematics that some people don't like and making them taboo or getting them changed/censored. Everybody fill this out: Books are such a great medium because of ______________. Yep, you probably guessed it right, the right answer is because of "censorship and having to appeal to feminists", additionally "book burnings" is also correct. Boy, this sure looked like shallow sex appeal and someone fighting in a push-up bra, you're so right, how couldn't I see it before? It's outright vulgar porn even, fap material! People are also constantly complaining about some sort of trench in the middle with concern about her sternum that simply isn't there in that concept art.

Why are you always picking on old King Henry? There's various different examples: http://i.imgur.com/1Rz32.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jkvwC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/rduR3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2fOjC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QVEKR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0t9oA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/pkevd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0sl5t.jpg http://www.romainter...bronzino/01.jpg http://sphotos-a.xx....780651565_n.jpg http://i.imgur.com/pLPS2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hwmfL.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hP2Z6.jpg http://i.imgur.com/nmPPa.png http://i.imgur.com/FobS7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/guJeX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BtdJC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8hV1o.jpg (The last two might not actually be historical representations of male plate armor) Also, it was the fashion between noblemen at the time, they all had to have their ****-bulge, usually in portraits together with their dogs in close proximity to it...: http://upload.wikime...ronzino_053.jpg http://themurkyfring...3/codpiece1.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot...t_young_man.jpg https://s3.amazonaws...f3b3267c9d8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/bEZUu.jpg Apparently some women at that time were also indignant at the oversexualization of men, guess some things don't change that much...: Anyway, a vote for codpieces (you can call it **** armor though so we have a pendant to boob plate), is a vote for realism! Apparently they would and it would seem to be one of the most important design decisions that will either make or ruin the game, or they wouldn't open another thread about it every day. Let me help you out there, someone posted this in the last thread: Baldur's Gate Trilogy confirmed for most horrible games ever. So apparently you've never watched Game of Thrones, which is one of the best, most realistic and most beloved "fantasy" representations altogether. So what are you trying to say, that only "whores" wear revealing clothes, or that everyone wearing revealing clothes is a whore? It's funny that nobody even seems to care much about how the characters are *portrayed* e.g. with varying differences in personality, introverted,extroverted, traditional, social, individualistic, greedy etc. and how they come across when dealing with other NPCs or the PC, or at least nobody seems to comment on that. Nah, doesn't matter... they could apparently all be INT 3 tomatoes, chief thing is no boobplates and no skin. You mean the stereotype where men are mountains of muscles, with 140 IQ, lightning reflexes and get the chick at the end? oh.. so.. suffering.. You mean the stereotype where women are femme fatales with 150 IQ, well built, attractive and desirable to everyone, with lightning reflexes taking these "mountains of muscles" out with ease and getting every man they want? oh.. so.. suffering..

I'm not exactly sure what it has to do with the game myself, that's why I'm rather perplexed as to the existence of these types of threads on about every games board out there. You are the ones trying to push through feministic ideals into games even though time and again it has shown to be a movement of a rather extremist people, I don't like any kind of extremism, but somehow a part of society believes this one to be a-okay. "We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men" - Elizabeth Cady Stanton "All men are rapists and that's all they are." - Marilyn French "All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." - Catharine MacKinnon "I feel that "man-hating" is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." - Robin Morgan "The male is a biological accident: the Y (male) gene is an incomplete X (female) gene, that is, it has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples." - Valerie Soianas I'm not the one trying to propagate and defend that kind dogma or hold it up as some sort of great egalitarian movement that has to be everywhere...

Oh I'm sorry is your male privilege being threatened? >_> Poor baby. Thank you for proving my point so graciously seeing as you seem to find that funny, want to have a laugh at mutilating male genitalia next? www.youtube.com/watch?v=muuFygvXPAM

Feminism has long stopped being about equality and started being about exerting influence over others and whatever the hell this is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvEJfN-jiS4 www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Xel_Ig2Ac

Well, this thread has gone down the drain, at least you people dropped your pretenses about unrealistic armors and showed what you actually want, e.g. impose changes on the game based on your sociopolitical beliefs, like has been done several times before this year alone by developers that don't seem to get that it's a vocal minority and a small part of their consumer base *demanding* all this: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/violence-against-women-controversy-has-altered-god-of-war-development/099926 http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/8/17/3250005/hitman-absolutions-gun-toting-nuns-level-changed-after-trailer https://www.change.org/petitions/crystal-dynamics-remove-the-attempted-rape-scene-storyline-from-2013-tomb-raider At least there are some developers pushing back: Heck, you even tried to change DoA-****ing-5, as if after making it a "wholesome" title feminists will storm the shops and buy a fighting game en masse: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/178358/Team_Ninja_learns_to_fear_its_fans.php At least be honest about it and drop the pretenses from the start.

Cis? Do I even want to know what does that mean? It's the feminist/GLBTWTFBBQ/politically correct way of reffering to what normal people would call "normal".

Except you did just that, a mere few minutes ago, I even quoted you: From that sentence it's rather obvious that your issue isn't just with "realistic armor" as you seem to claim now.

Why DO people (i.e. men and women) wear oversexed, revealing clothing in every day life would be a better question, since this isn't a "hypothetical" but you know... actually happening, in our society right now and in societies in the past. Your viewpoint of "convincing" seems to be rather skewed, pretending that sexuality, bordellos and the likes don't exist and both women/men don't want to attract an attractive specimen of the differing gender. I'm not sure if you realize, but you are actually the one trying to make the characters "cater to some peoples strange tastes". I haven't seen a SINGLE thread demanding that female or even male characters wear skimpy clothing and Obsidian go out of their way to cater to that, yet there seems to be one every day demanding they stick to the dress code of puritan England instead and people who obviously won't agree with that.

They probably weren't gender-neutral enough. There were still basic female characteristics recognizable They need to follow the Swedish example: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2092412/Why-I-let-son-dress-like-girl-years--sake-I-stop-it.html http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/04/hen_sweden_s_new_gender_neutral_pronoun_causes_controversy_.html http://www.vice.com/read/swedish-feminists-are-so-bored-theyre-telling-men-how-to-sit-on-the-bus

This thread yet again has gone to great lenghts to rationalize why a slightly different formation of metal, that in most cases would protect the wearer just as well is bad, while entirely ignoring the dancing monkey in the room about the entirely naked monk that will presumably fight dragons and knights by punching them (or any other kind of "unrealism" that isn't based in feminist ideals for that matter). You will excuse me if I don't believe there isn't any other agenda behind all these arguments, near-essays, mental gymnastics, feminist blogs and Kotaku (lol) links you throw around in rationalizing the lack of breasts and how any other way would be "unrealistic", yet completely ignore everything else.

I'm not the one who designed that in the first place, but Obsidian. I'm also not the one who backed off from that creative vision at the first intersection, because of a VERY loud minority. And finally I didn't make a thread trying to discuss the *very important* issue of feminism being present/included in the game, which apparently seems to be one of the top issues along with romances instead of actually talking about game issues or design, look up in the topic title it's right there before you "lol" about it again.

I really hope effing not, was Planescape considered one of the worst games ever? Wasn't its plot amazing, isn't it being lauded everywhere as Black Isles/"Obsidians" best game, possibly the best storytelling in a CRPG whatsoever and doesn't even the OP even have a character portrait stemming from there as an avatar? Quoting from that games vision document: How the hell does "feminism" or breast size come in to play as to how well written some characters are (or on a larger scale a game) or how good their characterization is, is it somehow "in" now to discriminate against women with big breasts? And am I the only one to find it absolutely hilarious that people came out in droves to complain about how "unrealistic" this is, despite the armor being perfectly fine in the function it is supposed to accomplish: But nobody seems to be complaining about a geriartric lacking any sort of body armor and apparently only fighting with his fists being "unrealistic" at all? Were all the complaints about "realism" even only a ruse to push through feminist agenda yet again, mayhaps and why should that now be relevant to game design?

Speak for yourself. I consider myself a normal person and not a "turbofeminist" or whatever you weirdos call yourselves today.

http://www.ebaumswor...watch/80849441/ http://www.funnyordi...animate-objects And let's not forget the furries... They will all come... flooding over here from their current base of operation at the Bioware Social Network... because somehow they decided RPGs are there to fulfill their sexual desires and needs. In fact, some are probably right among us as we speak.

I wouldn't even say the pandering is because of how the characters look, since that is much too superficial, and as demonstrated on Page 2 (or in certain games like Planescape) you can have complex characters no matter how they look, in the case of the example above it can even be explained by her being a Psy-user and blocking projectiles with her powers or similar. I don't even see the issue with the plasteel armor. What bothers me with their games is the entirety of how they build them and the characterization around pandering and fanservice, it's like they go to the drawing boards for creating game characters and instead of trying to make them deep and unique and build them into the plot the best way possible they are trying to think of ways how they would fit around a set amount of "player romance" options or something and make them be ready to advance that "plot" whenever the player feels like it and is ready built around ego-stroking, and their execution of that is almost always entirely cringeworthy and doesn't work for ****. They also invented the term "player sexual" and are not only trying to pander to a certain audience, but as many as possible and are utterly destroying those characters in the process. I'd rather there be no options for anything like that in the game, but nudity and sex thematized nevertheless. Nature.