kumquatq3

Thats not "relevant"????? But I agree with you on one thing, it's not a surprise

^ Signed Disgruntled in Illinois I think me and taks, while were on different sides, understand each others points. We argue about the details. I'm not claiming the world will end because Bush won and he's not saying I need to be happy about it. O, I don't live in chicago, btw

Of course it's being watched, Bush did win reelection :ph34r:

The episode was only better than last week and not much more. I cringed at dialogue delievery and the use of the whole "moth having to struggle to live" stuff being used yet again on tv. On a bright note, next week looks great!

Did you miss where I posted tha tbush just requested to raise the cap on the debt, the day after the election? O wait, that doesn't help at all. Look, bad things (in our opinion) are going to happen, we los tthe election. Just hope that the demos in the senate ban together to stop the really bad things. That and some of the justices can hang on for 4 more years...

oops... by the time i got to the bottom i thought i was quoting kumquat, assuming that's what you were referring to? taks <{POST_SNAPBACK}> O, I see how it is, all us damn Liberals are alike to you huh?

yeah, Karl ****ING SPOKESMAN. he's a spokesman for god's sake. he's citing ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE. this is all... get over it. Spokesman???!?!? No, he's one of Bushs top political strategist. It's his job to know how to play with the people and get votes. Apprently he kinda knows what he is doing too. Actaully, they did vote pretty heavily compared to the past, but so did everyone else. Hence why they stayed at 17% of the total vote.

That is what is called a conservative myth. Fox news was even talking about it late last night. Which is what reminded me to bring it up. So you are agreeing with me that just because you label something, doesn't make it so. So again, the facts say Bush won by one of the smallest margins even for an incumbent, and several points lower than other incumbent winners in recent history. Worse if you compare it to just wartime incumbents. this whole statement is wrong Yes, in fact, there is PLENTY of evidence to support this. Turn on the tv for 15 minutes and they will break down what happened in ohio yet again for you. Pick your network. Apparently KARL ROVE sees some evidence in this. KARL ****ING ROVE Sorry, that trumpts "I know a guy with a degree that voted Republican"

Karl Rove is a liberal? Who would have thought.....

Remember how Bush said he wants to cut the debt in half by 2009? Well, Bush just called for the debt ceiling to be raised. Funny how he meantioned that just after the election. It has begun....

I think Bush can and will do things that we wil hate and that will further divide the country. but I don't think we'll be seeing race wars in the streets

That may be true, but the fact remains that his margin is low, no matter how you spin it. Even compared to recent years. Clinton won by a 9% margin in his second term and was right under 50% of the popular vote with a stong (as they go) 3rd party candidate taking votes (which didn't give him the large margin, the votes that went to perot would have been almost evenly split between the two on all legit accounts. it just kept him under 50%). Reagan also won by a very large margin, iirc. So recent history has shown incumbents that win, win by alot. If you tack on that this is a "war" time president, the margin of victory really reflects that it was a realitivly slim win. It is based off those exit polls, yes. They wern't wrong in the counties they were taken in, btw, the data IS good. Those "swing" counties, were most of the polls were taken, pointed to a Kerry victory....and Kerry won most of them (actually, I think he won all of them, but I don't have that off hand.). The problem was that those polls were applied to the state as a whole. What happened is that Bush had supporters come out in larger than expected numbers in counties that he was expected to win. In other states the exit polls were dead on What Karl Rove said in regards to this: And it's no secret that in semi-recent history Demos tend to be better educated as a whole. You can argue why that it, but it doesn't change the fact that it is.

You can say Bush has the largest number of popular votes ever, and you would be right...BUT: He has one of the lowest margins of victory ever for an incumbent. So you can say he won by x amount of votes and thats alot, but the percentage he won by is historically very very low. Not to meantion that too argue that a win by 3 million votes is amazing in the history of the US is to forget the large population growth through out the years. Hence why the margin of victory is the true indicator, in terms of history, and that is pretty low for Bush. He also has the most votes against him for a winning incumbent, if you want to continue to beat that drum, but it's essentially meaningless EDIT: I'm clearly biased, but I find it morbidly funny that Kerry (compared to Bush) cleaned up on votes from people with a college education or better. The president actaully lost that vote a great deal compared to his first campagin. Kinda says something about America.

when did we get told this one?

The logic is: To prevent the guy you REALLY don't want to see in office from getting there edit: thats what some people thing, right or wrong

To be fair, it's not like Nader or other third parties enjoy the same benifits as the demo/rep. On sooooo many levels they are fighting uphill.

Frankly, alot of people decided to vote based on "the lesser of two evils".

and scared. I'm scared because of seeing what Bush wanted to do when he had to worry about re-elected, and thinking about what he would be willing to do now that he doesn't have to and has a few more seats in the senate. I'm scared of what he'll try and do with the Supreme Court Justices based off his comments on the justices. I'm honestly pissing myself on this one. I'm terrified of his enviromental policies. He wants to drill in some of our most untouched places, and now might have the votes to push that forward. Hell, the man wants to drill along the Appalachian trail. And those are the smaller issues. I'm worried that Haliburton will walk with all the money they made from their "accounting errors". The Army has recently decided it's not worth the effort to challenge most of these claims. Even those that indicate that the Pentagon was charged thousands of dollars per load of laundry. I fear for what kind of message it sends about the American people to future leaders and the rest of the world when a president can take a preemptive strike on a nation only to find find out his reasons for war were baseless and he's not held accountable for it by his own people. I fear for the stability of Iraq and Afganistan, because we have little in terms of a safety net to fall back on. We burned bridges. I fear for Americas moral responsibilities in the world now that we are so very tied up elsewhere. We can't even get the number of troops we need in Iraq now. GL Sudan. I'm worried I can't even travel outsides the states now without getting a negitive reaction because I'm American. I fear for the continued trend of, however small or slow, the deterioration of the seperation of church and state. Not to meantion protecting those that are not Christian or Catholic rights, not just Atheist. We do have a president who signed in to law "Jesus Day" in Texas, after all. I'm worried the "Patriot" act will remain unchanged. Something that is even effecting the privacy rights of Canadians. again, to the majority of the rest of the world, I'm sorry.

I feel like I want to vomit. All I can really think to say is: I'm sorry. really.

:'(

Well, off I go to vote, wish me luck

Lets not count your chickens before they hatch. If you think the screenshots are real ppppurty, thats mainly do to the Source engine, rather than Trokias abilities as devs to make a good game (tho the artist and 3d designers and such deserve credit for working with the engine and crafting superkeen visuals and helping the mood along in doing so(note: doesn't nessasarily make a good mood, just helps)). So if you wanted to take a stab at the quality of Vampire, I'd base that off their past games, but this game is a FPS/RPG hybrid so that kinda goes out the window. Also, while they have had alot of time with the engine, they have never used it before and they obviously couldn't talk to anyone who has finished a whole game with it either. Much less an RPG.

wouldn't it be 9 because the tenth be the PC? just kinda currious because I see everyone refering to there being 10 available to you at any point in the game and I was just kinda wondering. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The short answer is: No, the PC is not one of the NPCs Long answer: NPCs stands for Non-Playable Characters. That wouldn't include the PC, as you are playing as the PC (playable character). You didn't roleplay as Bastila in K1, but she was a character in the game, so she was a NPC (even tho you could physically have her lead the party and control her stats like the PC, you couldn't have her interact with anyone, it was always revan talking. You also got to pick Revans starting stats. You never were confused who was the main character in the game. Thats YOUR character). Generally tho, the main guy is the PC and everyone else is NPCs. I say generally because a NPC could kinda become the PC. In Japanese RPGs, were you don't get to pick your beginning stats and the "roleplaying" is limited in some regards, you can effectively swap the "PC" out for a new PC (which may be a current NPC). Like in Chrono Trigger when Chrono dies and you have someone else lead your party. The lines are blured in that case because there isn't much showing who the PC is besides for who you are currently controling and who the story focuses on. For most decent PCRPG purposes tho, PC = the guy you create. NPCs = characters that you have limited control over. Actually, NPCs doesn't actaully mean members of your party either. It could be people just wandering around the level and such. You would really have to say PNPCs (as in Party NPCs) to show you meant joinable NPCs, but whatever gets the point across.

I thought the guy was addressing the poll to the actual publisher (LA) about who we want to make K3. As I assume he knows that LA is the publisher and Obsidian is making it, but the poll ask who we want to make K3

Your still wearing the paint, arn't you?