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No worries I am a gentleman. Send me your address and I'll come over and assist. I am a wizard at cars, I am really proficient at Grand Tarismo, so we should be fine?

I agree, Russian women are beautiful.

It does make sense, you have raised some good points

Wow, I didn't realize that Morrowind had so many factions. It just shows how little I explored in the overall world

I rejoined the gym 2 weeks go and I have been doing 40 minutes of Cardio 3-4 times a week I also have a road running route which is 3 km which I want to do twice a week. I am unfit so I am not pushing myself but I am already feeling fitter

Personally I loved Morrowind. I remember it being this huge, open world where there were all these quests and things to do. I remember all the lore and books to read. For me it was a completely immersive and brilliant RPG.

I'm glad this game has been funded, it looks like an exciting project.

Guys can I ask a favor to the anti-Romance crowd, please stop stating unsubstantiated facts around why Romance\Sex won't work. For example if you are saying that a few lines of Romance\Sex dialog is going to take 2-3 months for Obsidian to implement can you provide the link so we can review it. Debating points based on conjecture isn't constructive to the overall discussion

Hi Nepenthe, are you Finnish? The reason I ask is that during World War 2 the Finns had a hard time with the Russians and Germans so your grandfather must have had some fascinating stories Yes. And yes - but let's just say that being a frontline unit chaplain involves, to a large degree, the identification, and if possible, evacuation of the fallen (in addition to the morale role). Not the sort of stuff you want to discuss at length with your 5yo grandson... Yeah, I can imagine. His experiences were not exactly "Xmas feel good discussion material"

Morrowind is considered one of the greatest RPG of all time for many, so I interested in why you think it is a terrible game?

Hi Nepenthe, are you Finnish? The reason I ask is that during World War 2 the Finns had a hard time with the Russians and Germans so your grandfather must have had some fascinating stories

In that case (where I'm not missing content) I'd like to toggle romances off like it has been suggested. If all I'm missing out is some dialogue with no real consequence I wouldn't care. Another question around this, don't you think that the various Romance dialog options lead to a deeper kinship with your various party members? Getting to know what makes them think and act. I just can't imagine a game where my characters are just names and are there to win combat. I firmly believe that Romance/Sex options give our characters personality But I suppose you can get to know your party without the Romance option?

You funny Monte, I may not always agree with you but you do make me chuckle As I've said in my Mature Themes thread, I think romances are probably mandatory today. There's a younger generation of players that probably grew up with romances in RPGs and they expect those to be in there. Also imagine the average gaming journalist's verdict if there was no romance, zomg! I just want it to be either well done or optional but without missing any content (like, the only thing you'd miss out on would be dialogue) I see your point, okay what about in BG2 where you are courting Viconia and eventually you get attacked by Lolths followers. So the Romance thread leads to an encounter but not missing content. Would you be happy with this?

Oh, weren't those your words? So, as I understand, you couldn't prove this position anyhow now, neither you could answer question you asked yourself. Wouldn't you admit that your exaggeration and comparison altogether were a little out of the place? And logics like: "if we have X we definitely should have Y, and if we not - there shouldn't be X" - is ill by its nature? Can't you read? Where in these two posts did I say that romance shouldn't be in the game under any circumstance? I gather you didn't get my point, that is romance and a food mechanic are both not inherently necessary. Yet I like the latter (which isn't fashionable), and that's just as subjective as wanting romance. It has often been brought up by promancers that they feel romance is necessary to their immersion/ character development, that's why I used food mechanics as a way to show that this is not only true for romance. Oh, weren't those your words? So, as I understand, you couldn't prove this position anyhow now, neither you could answer question you asked yourself. Wouldn't you admit that your exaggeration and comparison altogether were a little out of the place? And logics like: "if we have X we definitely should have Y, and if we not - there shouldn't be X" - is ill by its nature? Can't you read? Where in these two posts did I say that romance shouldn't be in the game under any circumstance? I gather you didn't get my point, that is romance and a food mechanic are both not inherently necessary. Yet I like the latter (which isn't fashionable), and that's just as subjective as wanting romance. It has often been brought up by promancers that they feel romance is necessary to their immersion/ character development, that's why I used food mechanics as a way to show that this is not only true for romance. But Sacred lets be realistic, I agree that both Romance and food mechanics are not necessary but if we have to see what is important to the community I guarantee you that Romance will be considered more important. Also Romance allows you to build more of an identity with your characters, well Food is more an aspect of survival.

Being in logistics doesn't detract in anyway from the contribution someone made to there country. Besides we both know if someone had said " I was in the 101 Airborne or a Marine Sniper " you would have said something like "baby killer" or "did you enjoy killing innocents in remote villages" So its a lose lose scenario with you.

Thanks the information guys, its impressive to see how many people on these forums have served there countries in the military

What is it, then? Maybe I'm dense, but it seems like a simple issue with simple solutions available to me. Well, not everyone has the same reasons, but the most common are: 1) The existence of romances in PE means that a certain demographic of people overly obsessed with romances will be attracted to PE and to these forums, bringing their habits and expectations with them. Did you see this post at page 2 of this thread? Those posts from the BSN aren't outliers, because many topics found there are just that romance-focused. Many people don't want the Obsidian forums to resemble the BSN. 2) The existence of romances in PE leads to sacrifices in character design that many people don't want to see. I wrote a post explaining the biggest ones here, if you're interested (it's really long and not really that detailed, but hey, this topic has been going for a while). 3) Even if you minimize the sacrifices in character design, far too many times there's problems with the implementation too. Ieo voiced here the impact romances can have on companion content. Sylvanpyxie wrote some good posts here and here about her experiences with romanceable characters, and she's not even against romances anyway! There may be more, but I already gave you a bunch of stuff to read. I know that's a lot to throw at your face, but bear in mind that this is a long running topic. A lot of stuff has been said about romances already. Might as well try to be up-to-date with the discussion Hi anti-Romance people Lurky, I don't troll. I occasionally joke, there is a huge difference. But then its obvious. Trolling is craven and a waste of intellectual capacity. So please going forward remember everything I say I believe and I can justify. Thats not to say my opinion can't be changed. I debate in the world of facts and pragmatism. I leave the emotion out. What I find amazing about the anti-Romance crowd is the way you happily ignore or dispute the facts about whether Romance\Sex should be in PE and also has it worked in other games. Firstly the Poll on this thread, 56 % of people want Romance of some sort and only 9 % say no. So I am battling to understand how anyone can argue that the community doesn't want Romance\Sex in the game. And please don't say "people are using multiple alts to embellish the numbers". If it was so easy why isn't the anti-romance crowd dong the same to skew the numbers? So the first bitter pill to swallow is that " the PE community wants some sort of Romance\Sex in the game" Then all the reasons you give above why Romance\Sex is fundamentally flawed in RPG and why they won't work show people have really spent time and effort thinking about it. I respect all that. Expect for one major and glaring flaw. For many people games like NWN2 and BG2 are excellent RPG and they had Romance\Sex implementations that did not detract from the gaming experience, unless you feel these weren't good RPG? And for the record I also enjoyed the Isabella Romance\Sex in DA2. But she was smoking hot, so who wouldn't like that . Second bitter pill to swallow, " Romance\Sex has worked in several of the most cherished RPG of all time" Lurky you mustn't be the reed that stands in the path of the Romance\Sex hurricane. Rather accept that Romance\Sex will be part of PE, acquiesce to his and you'll be a much more happier person

This doesn't surprise me at all, this is the model that all dictatorships have to follow to stay in power. They generally curtail the influence of free press ensure that independent political parties are marginalized control the police and army rigidly restrict the Internet Its funny but you see these steps almost every time a country go's the authoritarian route. But Russia is still an important player in the world and doe's have influence in many area's so this is something we need to accept begrudgingly.

Nice, thanks I'll use that version when I play the game

Interesting, so are you saying you didn't play the GOG version for the second QFG but a newer version? I have to chuckle about how hard those games were. You are right, I remember spending hours just trying to get commands correct. We would always over complicate the commands. So for example, I would type in "open the strange door", instead of saying " open door" and the game would always respond with "unknown command" I didn't even know what a candelabra was back then and there was a part where you cut it down to stop the bandits

Happy Veterans Day I didn't realize you guys were veterans. If you don't mind sharing where did you serve? I think it is very important to recognize the role that people played in our various armed forces. Its something to be remembered and to be proud of in most cases. In South Africa due to the history of Apartheid many people can't or won't talk about there military service in the 1970's, 80's and 90's. Certain white people were conscripted and fought against the spread of Communism in countries like Angola, Mozambique and Namibia. They weren't racist and didn't fight for the system of Apartheid but during the Cold War there were many ideological wars fought in Africa between people that supported Western\Capitalist views and Communist views. So South Africa was a launching pad for many countries into Africa who fought against Communism. The USA and Britain were both involved surreptitiously in various conflicts throughout Africa. But nowadays this isn't spoken about in public but there are loads of books written about this era and many people and forums who do discuss it.

Those are good tips. I think I'll do the same. I am close to finishing Rome so I'll head off to Russia and Taiwan now

"Horny old grognards" generally are getting it in the r/w dude. I completely agree, which is why I don't think they feel uncomfortable seeing it in a game. My post was less directed at this thread (although still somewhat) and more at the previous one were certain people were harping on about "platonic love" and the merits of celibacy. Well said, your point resonates with me. I not embarrassed to admit that I think Chainmail bikini and characters like Viconia are attractive. Sorry if that makes me some kind of sexual deviant

Nope sorry Monte, as I have mentioned numerous times I was happy with the BG2 Romance\Sex implementation and I'll be happy with something similar in PE. So I don't expect anything unreasonable or difficult to integrate into PE. I don't mean to be dismissive because I am one of the people asking for Romance\Sex but aren't we expecting too much to ask Obsidian to represent all these aspects of Relationships? C) I am asking for something simple. A)You need to court the person and if you succeed you have sex with them. There should be straight and gay options. This is similar to all classic fantasy that I grew up reading, like Conan. B) I don't want to over-complicate it? It's all pieces of a cake and many people value Friendship faaar above Romance. A) "Need" to court them? I don't "need" to do anything. B) Maybe I do. Love isn't easy, and Romance is oft sporadic, impulsive "Heat of the moment" type of thing that's something easy that gets complicated. It is a game, but it is a difficult, snakey, devious and lustful game. You have to play your cards right, "The Game" is a great book (never finished it but read about 1/3rds before I lost it somewhere). C) I feel that you are asking for fan-service, you are asking for the pron content. You are the horny teenager when the rest of us real romantics don't want it to degenerate to the level of sweaty diaper sex, it ruins the entire thing about the romantic feeling. Romance is an art. Sorry Osvir but you are going to be very disappointed if you think that Obsidian is going to be able to implement Romance\Sex as an art. This is a fantasy RPG and we need to have realistic expectations. I could recommend some good poetry if you are looking for Romantic inspiration, but in PE the Romance\Sex should be a part of the game through dialog options and response to your actions by party members. It shouldn't be a huge part of the game but how it was done in BG2 would suit me fine

I am an original QFG fan but I feel we are just inundated with games that we feel we should fund, I guess you can't fund everything?