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What !!! Thats scientifically impossible, Hurlshot its been proven on this thread that you cannot like all the Fallout games. I think you are just being agreeable. And thats completely unnecessary. Please reword your post with how you really feel

Well after the Libyan conflict the pro-Gaddafi forces, many of whom were black mercenaries fled Libya, as they would have been killed. They looted many armories and took those weapons south to countries in West Africa. So thats the link, the West didn't arm these militants but there intervention in Libya caused Gaddafi to hire them to fight against the anti-gaddafi forces supported by the West. You make a lot of noise slurping up that propaganda. No doubt people are being killed. No doubt it's horrible. However, the boogiemen aren't doing the killing. Just how many times are you going to buy the same BS story? Or are you young. I'll forgive you if you aren't old enough to remember the same story ~12 years ago right before 9/11. And I don't overestimate how safe it is here in the 'first world' as so many of those that live here such as yourself do. The boogiemen will be back here someday, or rather evil folks will be that are advertized as such. The world is not as it is advertized, not even remotely. Valsuelm I can understand your skepticism, you are probably thinking "why should the West intervene in some god forsaken corrupt African country". Why is it our fight? But there are legitimate reasons to prevent these extremists from winning in Mali. Apart from what AGX mentioned these groups practice a very orthodox and brutal form of Islam and Al-Qaeda is supporting them. Al-Qaeda is constantly looking for countries to train and operate in. There bases in counties like Yemen, Afghanistan, Sudan and Somalia have been weakened and disrupted. If they win in Mali they will have a safe haven to thrive and operate in with impunity. I don't believe this is something the West should allow, we saw what the result was in Afghanistan when Al-Qaeda was left to there own devices.

Sup All Most of you are probably saying " Whats a Mali ?" Its an ex-French colony in Western Africa that is going to be in the headlines a lot. Its also the country where the famous city of Timbuktu is, the legendary destination of ancient scholarly pursuits. The country is very impoverished and hasn't really accomplished much in the last 50 years, one of Africa's almost failed states for a variety of reasons. Anyway there has been a Civil War there for the last year between Al-Qaeda backed militants and the current govgovernment, the current government was losing this war and until recently the rebels were on there way to conquer the capital city Bamako. The Mali government has been asking for international assistance and due to the desultory response from the African Union, how surprising, the French have sent troops and are using there air force to slow down the advancing Islamic fundamentalist rebels. The UK will also be assisting with logistical support. And the USA has offered to help. http://world.time.com/2013/01/11/the-crisis-in-mali-will-french-intervention-stop-the-islamist-advance/ Now why should you care, if the Islamic rebels win Al-Qaeda will undoubtedly another base to operate from in Africa and the entire region of West Africa could become destabilized and prone to be influenced from there interpretation of Sharia law. We dont want another pre 9/11 Afghanistan in Africa. So keep your eyes on this conflict and well done for France for getting involved.

Neither is the main character, so who precisely are we supposed to relate to? Oh okay But it's GRIMDARK and EDGY to prove the new DmC by a different, western developer is NEW and IMPROVED and DARKER and EDGIER. Like the Fox News level! SO EDGY. Hideki Kamiya will have ample opportunity to say gaijin on twitter soon enough. @ Tale @ Agx It does seem like they are making a statement, but I suppose its a competitive industry so they want to stand out

Sorry, but thats not something you can prevent. If PE is as wildly successful as I predict then we will see thousands more people these forums. Some will add value and some won't. Basically the same as any forum that has been formed around a popular game. But I also think PE is a relatively niche market, so it will never have the popularity of BSN. I also think that BSN has thousands of people on it who are normal, reasonable and contribute constructively towards debate.

I have to something to compliment Russia as sometimes I feel I am a little critical Russian women make the best strippers and escorts. You guys definitely win that social battle against the West Whats the reason all the hot strippers are Russian? Is this something that Putin actively encourages as a job so that they can go to other countries and convert Westlings to Russian ideology?

Neither is the main character, so who precisely are we supposed to relate to? Oh okay

No it's not the same because Risen, Gothic or Morrowind where never Turn Based. But to use your on example (The TES Series). Big Announcement from Bethesda. The Elderscrolls VI: Summerset New game Facts: Top Down Turn Based Combat. 5x5 square miles map with one village. Communicating in sign language. And it's set in the late stone age. Oh and there will be never ever again a traditional TES Style. Okay I see your point, I would be very upset with Bethesda and probably wouldn't support them anymore. In fact I thought about what you guys are saying and I completely understand why you feel the Fallout series has let you down, I never played Fallout 1 and 2 so even though I loved Fallout 3 and F:NV I had nothing to compare them to in respects to what a classical Fallout game should be.

If there was a little more humility from the guy, I think I'd be more positive. But he talks about the game as if it's going to be the best story in gaming. Meanwhile it's dredging up more "be a complete **** to look cool" scenes that people thought were stupid when they heard about it from Enslaved. . Honestly that type of thing doesn't concern me, its not even human?

I have started playing Planescape for the first time. I am loving it as I expected. Whats amazing is that a game that is 14 years old can captivate you more than modern and vastly aesthetically better games from a graphics perspective. Its early days for me in the game, Annah has just joined my party and I'm enjoying exploring Sigil. I am also really loving the bizarre nature of the game compared to normal RPG, Demons walking the streets and talking undead. Its makes me even more excited about the next Torment. Imagine what the genius of Brian Fargo can do with his experience now.

I hope it bombs. Why do you want it to bomb? Probably because Ninja Theory has been insufferable and pretentious for all development and the game hasn't been developed in-house. Going from the demo and the streams, it seems like an okay action game with a story that takes itself way too seriously despite being just as bad as the first 3 games, and some really impressive art here and there (though monster and character designs are kinda so-so imo). I'll probably grab it at a Steam sale. Okay, thanks. I did some research after my question, I saw the video for DmC involving a fight in a night club. I thought it looked good, but I am not a very good judge of action games. I am easily pleased. Check this Gamespot video http://www.gamespot.com/dmc-devil-may-cry/videos/how-ninja-theory-is-changing-devil-may-cry-6399688/

I played Dead Rising 2 by Capcom, the game was brilliant but hard. So I'll try DmC

I hope it bombs. Why do you want it to bomb?

Okay I see what you are saying, I guess we can agree to disagree

With this argument you actually have to hate F3 and F:NW and only accept Turn Based Isometric Fallout games. Because to use your words. They are completely opposed to Fallouts core game design. ----- For me the greatest problem with Fallout 3 and probably with Fallout 4. Is that the traditional strongest points of the Fallout Franchise, are the traditional weakest points of pretty much every Bethesda RPG. Fallout Games traditionally a big world with a limited amount of things to do (at least compared to Bethesda type RPG). But not as cramped an Focused as BioWar RPGs. But often those Storys and experiences are very character driven deep Storys. Even small interludes and mini quests feel as if the have a meaning for the word or the people that are involved. Bethesda rpgs feel more like a canvas in witch the player can forge his own experience. They ave an enormous amount of things to do. But they are mostly experiences that get their meaning becaus you are involved. Both kinds of RPG have it's place. The traditional Fallout Games gives you a big chance to experience storys und the people in the world. While the Bethesda kind gives you the chance, to forge and experience your own story. The world / story is more like a backdrop for this experience. Fallout 1,2 and New Vegas are somewhere in the middle, between the more Focused and Cinematic BioWare RPGs and the very big World Bethesda RPGs. The thing is. You can get high quality BioWare and Bethesda type RPGs, in regular intervals. Traditional Fallout type RPGs on the other hand, are pretty scare. Obsidian has the skill to make games like this. But unlike BioWare and Bethesda, they don't have a comfortable market niche. In with they can make those games over and over again. I never played Fallout 1&2 so I can't comment. I also think that my point is being misunderstood. I love turn based, isometric games but to say you don't like Fallout and F:NV because they aren't turn based, isometric games doesn't make sense to me. It would be like saying you don't like Risen, Gothic or Morrowind because they aren't turn based and isometric. They aren't suppose to be yet the games have a huge appeal. Saying that I am very excited about the KS games coming out that will be isometric and turn based, like Wasteland 2 and PE.

Are you telling me you didn't enjoy Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas? Seriously now What's so weird about not enjoying those games? I liked them, but there certainly are plenty of arguments to be made against them. Whats I find strange is there is a difference between saying you had issues with a game and saying that you are completely opposed to core game design, in other words saying you only want another Fallout if its isometric and turn-based means you want a complete paradigm shift with future games from Bethesda. And thats not going to happen.

Are you telling me you didn't enjoy Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas? Seriously now

Today is my first day back at work after nearly 3 weeks of leave I am excited and looking forward to it, I went to gym this morning instead of training in the evening. I like the morning session. I may stick to it

I know exactly what you mean, and I can see this got things a little off-topic, so I'll keep this brief. There's not actually anything inherently sexist, or even wrong, about programming female types that only some groups admire and not others. However, I do realize the point behind "then why aren't the dudes all scantily-clad, too?", even if it's often inaccurately stated (as automatically making things sexist), as well as the "the designs of those females completely detracts from the practicality and believability of the rest of the game world" point. In short, there are many reasons why it is silly, from a standpoint of reason, for so many female video game characters to be sexualized while pretty much nothing else in the game matches up with that, but it is not inherently wrong or sexist, as it is perfectly possible to admire the human female form without thinking women are worth nothing more than the aesthetics of their form, or that they are lesser than men, etc. I mean, if some company made 17 different beverages that all tasted the same, no one would say "You're being FLAVORIST!". People would just say "Wow, you've got a pretty narrow design scope for your product. I'll look elsewhere, thanks." Annnnnnywho, what I wouldn't like to see in P:E is ONLY-sexualized-female-armor. Just because it's nonsensical to not also have practical armor. If some hot Barbarian girl wants to wear a chainmail bikini because she choose to adhere to the hassle-free, hardly-any-armor, berzerker-movement friendly Barbarian equipment policy, and she just loves chainmail as well as showing off her body, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. To say otherwise would literally be contrary to the entire sexism argument in the first place (by saying that admiring the sexuality of your own form, if you're female, is inherently wrong). BUT, if all females are scantily-clad and flirty, I shall be disappointed in the extreme imbalance in the range of female character models. u_u You make some relevant points and I agree with almost everything you have said Another point from me, many people say that women are objectified in games as there purpose in the game is as some kind of sex symbol only. All my female characters are chosen because they add value to the overall mission. Viconia was an important War Cleric and Isabella was an invaluable aid in combat. I know this may seem simplistic but its disputes the argument where people say " women in certain games have no purpose except for aesthetics"

That may be true but I find it insulting to the guys character and his achievements when he is called a coward, considering we have no idea of the circumstances. What makes it worse is that Volo is ignorant and doesn't understand the nature of depression. So its difficult not to comment when faced with such opinions as Volourns

Stalin? USA now has more people in its stuffed prisons, 6 million, than were stuck in Stalin’s gulag prison system. http://www.calwatchd...-stalins-gulag/ How armed military/police can protect you against own government? Yes S Stalin? USA now has more people in its stuffed prisons, 6 million, than were stuck in Stalin’s gulag prison system. http://www.calwatchd...-stalins-gulag/ How armed military/police can protect you against own government? Stalin, one of greatest mass murderers of the 20 century. He ccommitted horrific crimes against his own people. He was responsible for the death of millions. http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/world/major-soviet-paper-says-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin%27s_Great_Terror http://rt.com/politics/stalin-great-purge-victims/ I notice you are very good at reminding us "Westlings" about our corrupted governments and institutions but how does it feel to have one of the worst mass murderers in history as someone who is still celebrated in your country. Do they teach you about the insanity that was Stalin in your schools?

But in traditional fantasy, like Conan, the men generally wore full armor. Women in almost all fantasy books I have read wear some kind of revealing armor. Does this make the writers of fantasy books, like Arthur Conan Doyle, sexist? I like to play RPG in a similar fashion to interpretations of fantasy like the Conan world. Also in the Conan world he doesn't wear a shirt most of the time, thats his nature as he is a barbarian. Should we now say this is discriminating against men? This is probably not the right post for this debate but I refuse to accept that I should feel guilty or feel like I am sexist because I like to see beautiful women in revealing armor. OK, I'm going to assume you meant Robert E. Howard (writer of Conan) rather than Arthur Conan Doyle (writer of Sherlock Holmes) for that quote. The answer is.... not clear cut. The problem with judging any non contemprary writer is that we are judging them by the standards of our time, but by the standards of their own they may have been radically different. In the case of Howard, while he was apparently at least a little feministic for his time the Conan stuff of his I have read is fairly one dimensional in terms of his women, who are all of course young, nubile and either innocent needing protecting or a strong sexy counterpart to Conan himself. That being said, having done a little quick reading apparently Howard had a fear of old age so all his characters tend to be youthful and vigorous anyway. But by the standards of "high-fiction" his female characters are pretty one dimensional today, even if they are basically the same roles as a Mills and Boon character in a markedly different setting. The problem with the chainmail bikini is that it's a double standard - no one is saying that you shouldn't find women attractive, the problems are more that firstly on average, a character like Conan (or to take a real world example, male wrestlers) is not an equivical female fantasy to say, Red Sonja. Both are actually male arguably male fantasies, though in the Conan case "to be" rather than the the Sonja "be with" one. Which isn't to say no woman would like that, far from it, but it's a male empowerment fantasy, not really a female sexual one. Then we have the issue of practicality, and this is the one which is most pervasive in modern fiction. A man wears massive armour with spikes and gauntlets and all things that suggest his massive power. A woman wears a chainmail bikini which suggests her sexuality. Again the male fantasies in both. If the bikini and the power armoru were equally viable defensive options this wouldn't be an issue, but they aren't by any stretch of the imagination, and therefore a female character is being defined by her sexuality before anything else. Where this gets a bit muddy is where you bring this back into context against real life, where obviously, women do wear sexual clothes some of the time. This is where I think the "no sexy clothes" for women brigade are mistepping a bit. As women do wear tiny skirts and bikini tops some of the time, its a bit of a fallacy to say they never will in a work of fiction because of equality. True equality would basically mean that some women (and, importantly, some men) dress sexually some of the time, while some dress in whatever way they want/fits their character. I could go on at length noramlly but as I'm off ou, have a look at this site for examples in comics to compare the problem: http://thehawkeyeinitiative.com/ Thanks for the informative response , I appreciate the time you spent explaining your view. I did mean Robert Howard, I couldn't edit the post for some reason after I realized my mistake. The reality is in RL we are surrounded by aesthetics and the appeal of beauty. Magazines, adverts, TV and News Channels presenters all have beautiful women that often wear clothes that compliment there figures. I don't think this is wrong. I don't think women should in anyway be inhibited by what they want to wear. I also don't think that guys that like this are weird, as this is a natural part of what makes up our modern world and our human psyche. Therefore in a fantasy setting I also have no issue with men or women wearing bikini armor. I know you are not objecting to this but there are several people who are vociferously opposed to this type of sexuality and when people talk about similar topics they are accused of being "perverts" or "sexist".

But in traditional fantasy, like Conan, the men generally wore full armor. Women in almost all fantasy books I have read wear some kind of revealing armor. Does this make the writers of fantasy books, like Arthur Conan Doyle, sexist? I like to play RPG in a similar fashion to interpretations of fantasy like the Conan world. Also in the Conan world he doesn't wear a shirt most of the time, thats his nature as he is a barbarian. Should we now say this is discriminating against men? This is probably not the right post for this debate but I refuse to accept that I should feel guilty or feel like I am sexist because I like to see beautiful women in revealing armor.

Awwww... you are totally discriminating against sexist male chauvanists. Also, there's a joke somewhere in there about armor on female avatars hopefully being off... haha. Ohhh terrible out-of-context meanings. 8P I have to be honest, I don't understand why its sexist or chauvinist to admire or be a supporter of the female body. I am a huge supporter of Bikini Chainmail armor in PE and Viconia similar characters

Why is he a coward? He could have been suffering from depression , and depression is a sickness. Committing suicide doesn't necessarily make you a coward.