BruceVC

I think the point that most people (well, reasonable people) are trying to say is that Guns are ok in america, but Assault weapons and automatic weapons are not. https://www.youtube....h?v=f0BVxO_61HE A question on assault weapons from that election thing that we've moved on from (thank god). Illustrates my person views pretty well (well, Obama does. Romney's "Get married for gun control" isn't really my position). That's a superficial and unimportant difference. A trained shooter with a Glock can kill a room full of people just as fast as someone with an assault rifle. An assault rifle is an army weapon designed to kill people at a 100-300 meters. Those are the demands of modern combat. As most shootings happen at close ranges all the advantages of an assault rifle, its additional range and precision, are lost. When firing on unarmed and unprepared targets all guns are equally deadly. In short, it makes no difference whether the shooter comes with two glocks or one AK if he's shooting up people at 0-15 meters. Yes but the majority of people who commit these acts are not trained shooters, they are not military personnel . They are normal people who have suffered from a mental breakdown so once again the the choice of weapon is relevant to the overall causality list

Sorry but you logic is incorrect and ignores certain facts .First of all most of America wants some kind of more restrictive gun control. Obama is now pushing for a ban on automatic weapons. No one is suggesting a ban on all guns. Reducing the ownership of automatic weapons will most certainly reduce the causalities in these types of attacks. We know this as we can see what happened in China with the attack on the school recently. No children were killed as the attacker only had access to a knife. The facts are simple, you cannot prevent an insane person from trying to commit mass carnage but you can reduce the likelihood of him getting access to weapons that will dramatically increase his number of victims These are the incontrovertible points.

That cute, what do your cats do when they have to wear these hats. Pleas post some pictures if you do make them wear hats

That sounds great, I haven't ever had goose before. I know that Roast Potatoes cooked in Goose fat is apparently the most scrumptious and decadent way to do them.

Gorth please don't forget to do that shopping, the thought of you eating re-heated pizza for Xmas upsets me Even if you don't have the traditional Xmas lunch table cooking something like Curry will be delicious.

Like I said, it's my own fault for not going in with more knowledge of what it would be about. But in my defense, I'd assumed it would play like other Rockstar made games like GTA or Sleeping Dogs, both that are sort of "shooters". Or even a third person shooter version of Deux Ex: Human Revolution. Obviously story and combat heavy, but with "downtime" between missions. I can understand this, but the other 2 MP games were exactly the same. There wasn't any downtime. But try to finish it anyway, even if you feel the gameplay is a little repetitive.

Hi All What are your Xmas plans? How are you celebrating or relaxing. Also what ends up on your table on that much anticipated Xmas lunch spread. I am driving down to the coast in 2 days, my family has a beach cottage that is about 20 meters from the actual beach. So its really picturesque and the perfect place to relax. We always have a big Xmas lunch that includes Gammon, Turkey and Lamb. Yummmmmy, I can't wait

Its my last 2 days of work before I go on leave till the 14/01/2012. I am still busy despite the fact many people are on leave and most companies are in there end of year freeze so we can't make any changes to there systems. But its all good because I can feel that wonderful holiday spirit just around the corner

I enjoyed MP3. I like the way they put effort into the whole Brazilian theme, you really felt you were in the slums when you went through those parts of the city. Also I thought the plot was completely plausible. A very entertaining game overall

Guys I agree that the letter is a little obsequious but its written by someone who is being honest by the positive effect that Bioware has had on her life. Forget the fact its Bioware, can you not at least respect the way a software company can produce something so indelible? Imagine creating something that so many people follow and that influences them positively. I admire that. I think suggesting that its sick or seeing nothing positive in that letter means you are missing the point, there are tens of thousands of people who support Bioware and feel passionately about there games. Lets at least try to see that does mean Bioware offers an immersive and appealing gaming experience for many.

Holy Smoke Bos, you are little selective with your diet? But living in Australia if you cut out food types like reptiles and dogs what other food is availible that is considered meat?

Okay thanks, I have to be honest I am still finding the whole thing confusing as it seems its not as clear cut as I first thought. The reason I ask is I work for a software company and we do software audits. If customers are found to have unlicensed versions of software on there desktops they have to pay a fine or pay for the license. But there is no criminal case, yet they are aware that what they are doing is illegal. So in a way this aligns to what you are saying as its the company that owns the software that does the audit and not the South African authorities. But who polices games on your desktop that you haven't payed for?

There, fixed it for you Thats clever Gorth, I didn't even realize the significance of my words

That made me laugh ..."I mean he was a bunch of floating chunks " I suppose you can only escape the the Grim Reaper for so long

I am little concerned that we aren't seeing enough chainmail bikini clad women in the projected artwork. Anyone else share my angst?

Really? Because it's my understanding that in every single country in the world, copyright infringement is explicitly not theft. That's why "copyright infringement" and "theft" are two different crimes. Well (and I'm guessing here) if you download a copy that you don't own and then share it, isn't it technically theft and then copyright infringement. If you however own a copy and then share it, then it's only CF. No; to use BruceVC's watch example walking into the shop and taking the watch is theft- the owner is deprived of the ownership of the watch and its benefits, including selling it. If on the other hand you duplicated the watch the owner would still own the original and have its benefits no matter how many copies were made, similarly if I copied the Mona Lisa it is not the same as stealing it from the Louvre, though both end up with me having the painting one means that the Louvre still has the painting while the other deprives them of it. If you steal a CD with songs on it you will get arrested and (potentially) charged criminally with theft, if on the other hand you download the songs that make up the CD the shop can still sell the CD and the law broken is copyright infringement which is (at least in small scale cases and most jurisdictions) a civil rather than criminal matter. Okay I am confused, are you guys saying if I use Torrent to donwloand DA2 and play it with a cracked license then that is not illegal? No, he's saying that it's a civil rather than criminal matter. Though I believe large-scale distribution of copyrighted works is criminal, although I'm not aware of criminal penalties being successfully applied to non-commercial distributors. Okay, thanks for the explanation. Can you explain in your words the definition of civil and criminal in the context of downloading games and what is legal and whats not.

Now thats an impressive list of food you have eaten But honestly Whale? As far as I know only the Japanese, Norwegians and you guys still hunt them. I am not trying to judge your culture but don't you object to eating an endangered species?

I think you misunderstand direct. It's a spiritual successor. Anyway, I was part of their forums before they went from "fan sequel" to "spiritual successor" and they're a bunch of idiots. Not only are they treating it like a multiplayer e-Sport, but they're missing the point of the game. Dungeon Keeper was always about humor and these guys are playing everything straight. Everything is designed to look badass or cool, whereas half the things in Dungeon Keeper (i.e. Bile Demon) looked hilarious on first sight. They also constantly promise updates and don't deliver and disappear for weeks. Extremely unprofessional. As much as I want a successor to DK, not backing this one. Waste of money. Gee Neutral, if you don't like the concept of the game maybe you should just say so instead of obfuscating your point ? What? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to obfuscating. I stand by everything I said - I want a spiritual successor to Dungeon Keeper, but this isn't one even if that's how they're selling it. I've dealt with these people personally and I can tell you they don't have any idea of what made Dungeon Keeper a fun game. I love their core concept as presented, but they're not actually making that. I apologize, you are being clear on your view. Its just you aren't being positive, but you don't have to be. So just ignore my comment

I am honestly confused Really? Because it's my understanding that in every single country in the world, copyright infringement is explicitly not theft. That's why "copyright infringement" and "theft" are two different crimes. Well (and I'm guessing here) if you download a copy that you don't own and then share it, isn't it technically theft and then copyright infringement. If you however own a copy and then share it, then it's only CF. No; to use BruceVC's watch example walking into the shop and taking the watch is theft- the owner is deprived of the ownership of the watch and its benefits, including selling it. If on the other hand you duplicated the watch the owner would still own the original and have its benefits no matter how many copies were made, similarly if I copied the Mona Lisa it is not the same as stealing it from the Louvre, though both end up with me having the painting one means that the Louvre still has the painting while the other deprives them of it. If you steal a CD with songs on it you will get arrested and (potentially) charged criminally with theft, if on the other hand you download the songs that make up the CD the shop can still sell the CD and the law broken is copyright infringement which is (at least in small scale cases and most jurisdictions) a civil rather than criminal matter. Okay I am confused, are you guys saying if I use Torrent to donwloand DA2 and play it with a cracked license then that is not illegal?

I think you misunderstand direct. It's a spiritual successor. Anyway, I was part of their forums before they went from "fan sequel" to "spiritual successor" and they're a bunch of idiots. Not only are they treating it like a multiplayer e-Sport, but they're missing the point of the game. Dungeon Keeper was always about humor and these guys are playing everything straight. Everything is designed to look badass or cool, whereas half the things in Dungeon Keeper (i.e. Bile Demon) looked hilarious on first sight. They also constantly promise updates and don't deliver and disappear for weeks. Extremely unprofessional. As much as I want a successor to DK, not backing this one. Waste of money. Gee Neutral, if you don't like the concept of the game maybe you should just say so instead of obfuscating your point ?

Ouch Nep, doesn't sound like a fun fulled few days I recommend a few, friendly Tequila's to sooth away that frustration

Yeah "obnoxious" that is a nice way of putting it I think half of us do not talk to him at all anymore. Have him blocked on facebook and his emails tagged as spam. But I do dread the possibility of him being present when we are due back for the graduation ceremony, as my upbringing prevents me from punching people's teeth out... Yeah "obnoxious" that is a nice way of putting it I think half of us do not talk to him at all anymore. Have him blocked on facebook and his emails tagged as spam. But I do dread the possibility of him being present when we are due back for the graduation ceremony, as my upbringing prevents me from punching people's teeth out... Now thats a good example of my point Can I ask a question, why did no one sit him down and diplomatically say how he was offending people? Be honest but polite and say he needs to change. Do you think he knows people don't like him?

I am not attacking you directly, so please don't see it like this. I am making a point around the principle of justifying Pirating that people seem to make and I disagree with. This point I am making is an analogy so it may be about watches but it applies to everything else including Pirating. In summary You have agreed with me that there are things in life that you don't own because the result of stealing them is not worth you being caught. You are an honest person and like most of us you don't want to go to jail You have agreed with me that there is no legal precedence that says you can use something without paying for it and then decide if you want to pay for it So the reason why the majority of people Pirate is that they can. I want to stress this point, they can. There are no real consequences for Pirating. Almost every single moral or legal debate around Pirating would become moot if there real consequences, you would not make a moral argument if you could get caught. You just wouldn't risk Pirating You can argue " but is it illegal to Pirate, is it theft? " In every country in the world the law says it is. So therefore from a legal perspective it is. I agree with almost everything up to here. If there we consequences to piracy I would not do it ever. That would lead in a decrease in company revenue that they receive from me. But since most pirates are not like me, it would increase their revenues received in general. The legality on this issue is clear. I would stop pirating if there were consequences, however I would still argue the morality of my case even louder. This is where I differ with you, though you may just be unclear in if you're referring to me directly or to pirates in general(seems to be directed at both). If it is directed at me, my point is this: I will buy a good game if I am convinced by the dev's, reviewers, fans or friends that it's a good game. If I am still on the fence I will either not buy it or I will pirate it if I'm intrigued by the concept but unconvinced of the execution(this has happened around 10 times in my life). If the game is good, that means less money for the food industry and more money for the game developer. If the game is bad the money goes to food, because I have no interest in playing a bad game and therefore I uninstall it. In case you still have trouble understanding, I made a quick flowchart. My way of piracy can only increase the sales of the product. This is the only way of pirating that I can approve of morally. Enjoying a game without paying for it, is in my opinion morally wrong. Both are equally wrong legally. You have made some good points. The flowchart does explain things, so Pirating is your last option in deciding to play a game. I do think you are the exception in this whole system pf Pirating, I believe the majority of people will happily Pirate games and not pay for them even if they enjoy them. So I have to be completely against pirating in any respects. I also work for a global software company so I see the insidious impact of Pirating.

Interesting point, so are you saying this guy was invited to your social functions after class. And he was generally obnoxious?

I am not attacking you directly, so please don't see it like this. I am making a point around the principle of justifying Pirating that people seem to make and I disagree with. This point I am making is an analogy so it may be about watches but it applies to everything else including Pirating. In summary You have agreed with me that there are things in life that you don't own because the result of stealing them is not worth you being caught. You are an honest person and like most of us you don't want to go to jail You have agreed with me that there is no legal precedence that says you can use something without paying for it and then decide if you want to pay for it So the reason why the majority of people Pirate is that they can. I want to stress this point, they can. There are no real consequences for Pirating. Almost every single moral or legal debate around Pirating would become moot if there real consequences, you would not make a moral argument if you could get caught. You just wouldn't risk Pirating You can argue " but is it illegal to Pirate, is it theft? " In every country in the world the law says it is. So therefore from a legal perspective it is. End of the day I am hoping to convince you to see that Pirating software for whatever reason is the same as taking the Rolex, I cannot see the moral justification. People pirate software because they can get away without paying for it.