BruceVC

Well, the thing about any point of view is that if carefully crafted and presented to a particular audience, you can persuade them to agree to your perspective. Kind of like The Third Wave experiment where a high school teacher was able to rather rapidly impose some fascist tendencies onto his class which spurred some controversy due to it spreading beyond the school classes itself (there's an entertaining after school special about it ). I mean, it's not like any persecuted minority were innately born hated by their oppressors. I think there can also be an impact in codifying those actions in law, similar to how there are groups of people that don't do drugs simply because they were taught that they were illegal and therefore bad. Whether or not you consider this impact a good or bad thing is up to the person I suppose. I am really glad you have got involved in this debate. I consider you an intellectual and logical juggernaut when it comes to your views on certain topics. You have a way of making the same point I want to make but I seem at times to fail miserably in articulating it. I find you make a point that is almost impossible to dispute. For example "it's not like any persecuted minority were innately born hated by their oppressors"...so true. So where does bigotry come from if not from the influences of others. And in this case the Ugandan government and there homophobic propaganda.

Interesting, so the enigma is solved. A pity you have to kill them but I understand your concerns. But do all rats have disease, isn't it the fleas on the rats that spread disease? Don't rats live in some communities peacefully. I don't know the answer to these questions?

I like to see some positivity about any game, its makes me more likely to purchase it

LadyC have you seen that new movie "Catzilla", it is basically about this giant cat that runs amok in New York and sheds huge fur-balls that seriously impact traffic and drinks all the milk from all the diaries in the state. I think you'll enjoy it

Lephys I want to add I really enjoy your perspective on topics. I'm not saying this because at times you "like" my posts or agree sometimes with the promancer sentiment. Your posts are generally interesting, logical and you make good points by leaving emotion out if it. I have seen how you debate on several topics and its impressive. I'm glad I haven't been on the opposing side of your view because you make a formidable debating opponent

The eating the poopoo videos were comical if anything, they certainly didn't galvanize hate. You're grasping at straws with that one. You missing my point, the Ugandan president has been in power for nearly 30 years. He wants another 5 years. A good strategy to gain political support in a country where the ruling party isn't delivering economic reform and uplifting there people is to divert attention away from the obvious issues by creating some fictitious enemy that people can get angry at. But before you do that you need to make people dislike that enemy, so you create a propaganda machine that does exactly that. I don't know if the videos are real but I do know that there is popular support now in Uganda against all gay people. And when you listen to the reasons around how the Uganda authorities have positioned this bigotry its absolutely ignorant and includes reasons like gay people are destroying our family values gay people are responsible for HIV gay people engage in sexual acts that are absolutely disgusting and inhuman and don't deserve to part of Ugandan society So even though you may find the video absurd and comical don't think for a second that there aren't uneducated people in Uganda who believe it. So the result is you get popular support for this legislation and the Uganda president as he is seen as the champion of this crusade against the "evil of Western gayness that is destroying our society"

Thanks Manifested, that's really all I want to achieve. Awareness of this situation and some people keep wanting to hijack the thread by nitpicking on certain things I say

est Guys I need to make a very important point and the only reason I'm making this point is because I don't want people to not want to support PoE because of the fact there won't be Romance or rather because of the reasons given by Obsidian. Gideon raises a valid point that certain people share when he feels that if Obsidian doesn't have the resources to implement Romance properly "how can they get other types of party interaction immersive and interesting". So in a way he is questioning the whole PoE experience and I get that But there is another possible dynamic here. What if Obsidian genuinely feels that Romance in RPG is childish and below there level of creativity. But of course they can't say this to people who pledged to support the game who like Romance. It would insulting and offensive and illicit a deluge of negative responses along the lines " oh so now I'm childish but my money is good enough" or something similar So what's the easiest way to get attention off the implementation of Romance? You say you can't implement it properly or don't have the resources. What promancer is now going to still insist on a subpar Romance integration? Its a good way to explain why you can't do something in a game without offending people. But there is a risk where people like Gideon now question the validity of the whole game and can other components be done properly if they can't do Romance So my advice is lets respect the fact that Obsidian won't have Romance and lets support the game financially, as the franchise expands we may get Romance in the future. But lets not assume that the reasons given for not including Romance are really the reasons they state. And it doesn't necessarily mean they can't create a very entertaining RPG that's is immersive and interesting around party interaction because we all know Obsidian is more than capable

Hate per se? No. Expression (vocal or written) of that hate against specific groups or individuals is prohibited by numerous countries. Trashman had already stated that in the post Bruce replied to, so Bruce was obviously referring to hate, the emotion, as opposed to hate speech. My point was obviously that you need specific laws to make things illegal (hence no law legalising having a nose or eating noodles) and he wouldn't find many if any making hate, the emotion, illegal. Basically Bruce's disingenuousness managed to elicit a response, though probably not the one he was aiming for. Since you seem to know so much about how I think, what was the response I was hoping for?

The reality is that yes in many countries in Africa homosexuality is illegal, but these are old colonial laws and gay people aren't prosecuted and persecuted. In Uganda this is a new law that is being enforced and there is a witch-hunt to find and discriminate against gay people. Also as you see from the videos posted by meshugger there justification for this legislation is abhorrent and does nothing but galvanize hate.

I have just finished Metro Last Light and it was excellent, it deserves nothing less than 78/100 on the much respected " BruceVC gaming rating system" Some people mentioned that the narrative didn't make sense or was lacking, I was very happy with how the game unfolded. What did people not like about the plot? I particularly enjoyed ( MINOR SPOILER ALERT) The visions as you progress in the game and realize what you did in the last game The interaction with the Dark One Child ( he was cute ) The usage of sniping The interpretation of the different factions and what there motives were The characters you meet, like Pavel The narrative The combat wasn't frustrating but challenging in certain places I recommend it

Big fan of Bethesda by any chance?

Woldan, Gfted1 is right about what you should do, lets find out?

OMG, is that a parody? It can't be real, surly that's not how the Ugandan authorities are spreading the homophobic message?

Yeah we had this debate on the Internet Troll thread and we will never see each others point which is fine, so it would be waste of time discussing it further. I won't bring it up

Maybe mice? But maybe baby hedgehogs...I really want to find out, its exciting

Well I know when I mentioned this before you made a few jokes about it but in the South African constitution our clause about free speech really works, "say what you want but you can't impact the dignity of a person." Yes the words "dignity" can be subjective but its not hard to work out what you should or shouldn't say I'll be nice this time though. As long as you do not claim that SA has free speech or freedom of expression, then it is ok with me. Okay you saying I shouldn't claim that because we don't because of the clause?

Wow that's a clever post, okay lets be pedantic and not understand my original point. Yes you right its a basic human right to hate and this is something that countries allow. Is that better? It is a basic right to think whatever you wish no matter how right or wrong it may be. Wrong of course often being a subjective thing. You don't get basic rights from a constitution, you get them from just existing. Your Constitution happens to be one of the more @#$*(@#ed up ones in the western world by the way. Outlawing certain types of thought is arguably more evil than the whatever it is you're attempting to outlaw. Wow, if you don't like the SA constitution then just say so. I prefer honesty and I don't believe you are being sincere with all this admiration....

Oh your post made me laugh. Funniest post of the week for me

Well I know when I mentioned this before you made a few jokes about it but in the South African constitution our clause about free speech really works, "say what you want but you can't impact the dignity of a person." Yes the words "dignity" can be subjective but its not hard to work out what you should or shouldn't say

Hedgehog? I hope GD reads this as I'm sure he will know, he knows his nature and animals

Do tell, who is the real power-structure in the US?

I also watched Prometheus and Life of Pi in 3D and I enjoyed the 3D effects in both. But I admit I don't scrutinize moves too much so I may have missed something?

Nope I have no idea what a good Harlot does? Personally I prefer bad ...very bad harlots