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But do you think the new movies wont have that type of look for female characters? I havent been following any news about it

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/07/world/middleeast/egypt.html?_r=0 Yeah I was just about to post the same thing about the Russians cancelling flights to Egypt because of its significance So in the beginning both the Russians and Egyptians were almost dismissive about the suggestion that this plane was brought down by ISIS...I can understand Putins view, he was understandably hoping he could intervene in Syria without any real Russian casualties. But what people don't seem to be aware of is over the last 10 years certain Western countries have devised very effective information gathering techniques around the activities of many of these Islamic groups So when the UK and USA initially mentioned they believed the plane was destroyed by ISIS it wasn't because they wanted to undermine Russia by exaggerating there body count because of there new role in Syria..no it was said because they had information I feel sorry for Putin because he also would have assumed he could rely on the Egyptian security measures at the airport because obviously the current Egyptian government is involved in its own war with ISIS. But sadly this Russian tragedy is really just a reminder that there is little chance that fighting ISIS won't result in real civilian loss. Thats what the West has had to deal with 14 years Of course what makes this more sad is the victims, basically Russian holiday makers and 25 children....I was watching a documentary on them and you see this little Russian child standing at the airport. They would have been told by Russian authorities " its fine to go on holiday to Egypt " because Putin wouldn't have wanted the average Russian citizen to think that there involvement in Syria would mean significant changes to there lifestyles .... Well that's now over and the Russians have had there baptism of fire in the ME......

Yeah, that outfit was hot...I had a crush on that outfit when I first saw it

@ Meshugger and TN others like Keyrock Guys please this thread is about SJ developments in the gaming industry and perceived actions by gaming websites Its NOT a thread about Star Wars movies, please stop hijacking the thread or I will have to report you guys to the Mods....we need to maintain standards and stick to the forum etiquette

Why not? If you are a huge fan, I'll definitely buy the game but only 2-3 months after release...I'm very excited I love that whole post-apocalyptic world.....then you add some Mods and the obligatory Adult Mods and you have 120 hours + of great entertainment presented to you

That's true of most people; the idea is to answer based on what would be the "most common" action/reaction/feeling. Okay...let me try that, I'm sure there was another issue I had but I'll let you know about it when I encounter it

I find these exercises a little inaccurate because some of the questions are difficult for me to answer because my mood and views can represent both sides of the agree and disagree ....

Orog what you going through is not uncommon and can happen to anyone at anytime ...sometimes something sets it off, like the failure of a particular task but end of the day the result is same. We start questioning or accepting certain limitations that are part of our lives and this can be a little depressing as we see this as a failure instead of a lesson So look at some realistic objectives and also spend time around people less fortunate than yourself, thats always a good way to realize things could be worse

Its looks....entertaining, a FPS movie

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/04/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/index.html There is no need to consider conspiracy theories, the Russians are actively involved in combating ISIS. This is the reality of fighting extremism in the modern age.... suicide bomb blasts, planes being targeted, pointless killings of innocents. Its a bit naive to think that Russia could become involved in fighting ISIS and this type of event wouldn't occur. The West has been dealing with this since 9\11.... I'm not saying is ISIS is irrefutably responsible for this Russian plane being targeted but its not impossible

Who me? Yes of course, much of my family are investment bankers as I have mentioned before and we have substantial investments in Saudi and other natural resources...thats not uncommon and doesn't disprove that Saudi is considered an ally of the West But why not ask me the question directly....unless I am mistaking what you are asking? It's good that you come forward and admit your intensions instead of trying to have a moral authority on the matter. I suggest talking to priest for some further soul-searcihng. Dude what is confusing you? My point about Saudi Arabia I would have thought by now is clear. I dont like there culture or like the many areas they lack in SJ....but this would not be enough for me to not go there for work or to accept they are an ally of the West And I have no issues with people in trading in Saudi commodities...but I admit there campaign to undermine the USA shale corporations has caused some serious financial woes. One of my cousins good friends works for a Western Saudi oil trading company and was based in Saudi. He use to love it, he was good friends with someone who knew one of the royal princes and the Saudi's took a real liking to him because he was good, he really knew the oil market. Anyway he never believed the Saudis would last this long, they are really impacting there economy now by keeping oil production low. This guy I know has been basically made redundant because there isn't much work now for people like him Saudi Oh please, we all know that you try to claim a moral authority on the west because it serves your interests. That's what i am talking about. Trying to drag along Elerond with a ruse is another sniveling tactic which is quite frankly, of grade school level. He atleast gets how the game is played, and like the very spirit of Paasikivi renowned, he's diplomatic, realistic and does not pass judgement with stupid jokes. Meshugger, yes I'm glad I hit a nerve. You should be feeling guilty for exactly the reasons you are trying to ignore...a fellow Finn gets what you refuse to understand I thought you would listen to him because he is very candid....oh well I tried ...and I thought the joke was quite good, the thought of you listen to your Finnish friend, I'm funny hey

You peaked my interest. Please elaborate on why his rhetoric is correct? Basically the core idea is that by being part of the culture, it is impossible to also be an impartial outside observer to it, thus it's futile to pretend that you can be "neutral". Your concept of neutrality itself has been influenced by your culture. It feels pretty self-evident and not at all controversial to me. Also, what he said about Yudkowsky's following more or less holds water. Thank you. Why do i get a vibe of Zizek and Lacan all of the sudden...i wonder. I assume because you've been eating from the trashcan of ideology. Alu is that how you interpret what he is saying, for me he is clearly saying to be effective as a SJW you need to be hardcore .....he talks about being irrational Who is Yudkowsky....another SJW?

Haha. Well, good luck with that. I'm going to start with the websites like Polygon...Chu is more of distraction I dont want this to be personal but I really need to say a few things

Sure, I get what you saying and But my point being that wouldn't apply to most people so for me its not something that would provide meaning or comfort if I tried to use it South Africa. So at the moment if I had to ask your average impoverished black South African " how can you believe in God ...do you have proof. Your life doesn't seem that great...how can you be religious " ( this is just an example I would never ever say this") They would look at me and because what I am asking seems so severe...so desolate...I mean they have literally suffered there whole lives and now I'm saying " and guess what ....there also isn't a heaven " that would a very depressing reality so all they would say " there is a God ...there must be "...I actually heard something similar on this talk show where the commentator really said " why are Africans always suffering ....have we been cursed by God....we seem to have nothing yet we are religious " I am looking for something outside what I believe, I dont have thel right answer but I have a good opinion

Oh, that is just precious Weirdly, he is right in many places, but where he goes wrong is the idea that being a "social justice stormtrooper" is an inherently worthy pursuit. I don't find it funny at all, its this type of rhetoric that undermines real SJ change and effort Well the point is, his rhetoric is more or less correct. Just terribly, terribly impractical to actually use as a guideline of real life behavior. Alu I'm going to send a letter to Polygon about my view about this thing is actually misplaced..I know you and Baro have always supported anti-GG so I'll post it tomorrow or the next day on these forums and I'll go into detail. I want you guys to read it so you don't think I am suddenly flip flopping....I'm not GG or AGG I know we all support SJ for possibly different reasons but I want to share with you guys what I have realized

I appreciate your honesty and the fact you shared this personal experience But I would like to have this discussion with you in a different way. I have to signal Nonek out but its not personal its just you using his words to make a point and I don't get it, Nonek did say " We are slabs of meat, but we also have self knowledge, perception of our surroundings, the ability to aspire and create beauty and goodness" ...that may sound relevant but what does it really mean ....its a platitude and they always sound good because what he said doesn't and will never apply to many people and thats what I want us to consider For example I live in a country where 60 % of the population live in what most would consider poverty yet many black South Africans are religious. But for them every single day is basically a struggle and if said to them " We are slabs of meat, but we also have self knowledge, perception of our surroundings, the ability to aspire and create beauty and goodness" they would probably agree but in fact have no idea how this is relevant to them....because its not Now I know we are talking about personal experiences but surly any epiphanies we have about the purpose of life needs to be able to be relevant to people less fortunate or just others? Sorry if I sound negative but I just want to expand this debate

Oh, that is just precious Weirdly, he is right in many places, but where he goes wrong is the idea that being a "social justice stormtrooper" is an inherently worthy pursuit. I don't find it funny at all, its this type of rhetoric that undermines real SJ change and effort Its annoying, of course you don't have to be a stormtrooper ....in fact that type of SJ belligerence I feel is just counterproductive and can alienate people you want to help Has he done any SJ work in RL? Also does anyone know his email address, I want to email and politely explain he is doing the real SJ cause a disservice

You make some good points but also some strange points But its the generalizations that I had to respond to because I know you prefer people letting you know when you wrong We dont need to be special because the word special is subjective in this sense. Everyone is special and no one is, for example I don't consider myself special but that doesn't mean my life hasn't been significant. For example look at how much your life has improved since I started posting here....sometimes Nonek we tend to forget the important things Also not all of humanity is flawed, not at all. I just think we should refrain from those types of psedo-intellectual points

- I would rather not go into personal details. I went to a foreign school for some years, that's how I know English. I'll leave it at that. - There is no agreement amongst Russians as to "what the west wants from us" exactly. But generally it varies around, "They want to set up a puppet government so they can control us and our resources" or "They want to destroy Russia by breaking it into multiple states". - The way I feel about China is that it's one of biggest threats to Russia. They have designs on the far eastern parts of Russia which they consider theirs historically or something. They also have a huge population and less land. Russia has more land per person than any other country in the world or we're way up the list (maybe Greenland or some such place has more). It's a natural progression from here. - I think by far the biggest accomplishments of sanctions is further increasing the animosity Russians hold for the west. - Crimea is historically Russian (well a Russian conquest anyway if you we go further back). It was given to Ukraine during Soviet times but then we all were the Soviet Union together. The loss of Crimea during the breakup of USSR which then truly became Ukrainian is one of the most painfully felt territorial losses. It is the base of the Black Sea fleet. And all those things are very dear to most Russians. During the entire time of Ukrainian independence their government made numerous attempts to "Ukrainize" Crimea and other eastern territories. By clumsy language laws and propaganda. They also introduced elements of direct rule from Kiev by abolishing some elections (I can't remember which but I think the post of governor amongst them). Out of fear that pro-Russian forces would win and push for separation. All this bred feelings amongst Russians in Russia that there is rusophobia in Ukraine and we need to stand up for Russians there and Russian culture that was under assault. Numerous times there was a push to expel the Russian fleet out of Crimea with varying degree of seriousness over the years. Or to get Russia to pay bigger and bigger sum of money for the Black Sea fleet base. The fear was, and I would guess correctly so, that with a more nationalistic government in Kiev they would finally go for it. Also that a NATO base may eventually come (which Ukrainian nationalist do want there if for nothing else out of spite) to the historic base of the Black Sea fleet, to Crimea with its long and colorful Russian military history. There is no limit to the rage and humiliation this would cause. As for Ukraine in general. It is of vital importance for Putin to destroy them and make an example out of them. And he successfully did wreck them for a very long time. Because successful reforms in Ukraine would have enormous influence in Russia which mean he will start losing power. Also I simply think it's personal for him. He feels kinship with another crook and authoritarian like himself be kicked out of office. I think he feels the same way about Assad in Syria. Thanks for the detailed response, I dont know many Russians who I could ask and I wanted a real and personal view Appreciate the effort Okay but you do realize I wasn't defending Saudi Arabia, I was just explaining why they are an ally to the USA

Thanks Hurlshot, I can always rely on you to play the " teacher card " and post a good article That's a good read and is very objective. It makes no reference to ISIS as a comparison to Saudi because that would be an insult and fabrication of facts It does articulate the rift and pressures around the USA and Saudi relationship but if you read some of the reasons it makes sense why the USA has had to distance itself from Saudi. For example the Saudi " only " expected The USA to support Mubarak when he was overthrown by most of Egypt during the Arab Spring. So lets get this straight the Saudi's wanted the USA to now directly intervene in a Democrat movement broadly supported by most of the country to put back in power a dictator...yes I know he was aligned with the USA during the Cold War but this was the past. The USA didn't say to him " become a dictator" ...this highlights how little the Saudi's understand by the concept of Democracy The USA should have removed Assad !!! What this really would have meant was : again ignoring the UNSC and really angering Russia and China...once again the Saudi have no idea of the importance of the USA not been seen to ignoring the UNSC The USA should have attacked Iran : What this really meant : The USA going to war again against a real military threat. Of course the USA would have won but at the cost of Iran now really hating the West and using its influence to really destabilize the region So in fact the so called " USA\Saudi " alliance is really about the USA starting 3 more wars.....I'm sorry but I can completely understand the USA and Obamas reticence. In fact it is painfully obvious that the Saudis and the USA aren't on the same page anymore and I support the USA is this

Sure. So firstly I want to set the record straight in case I have created the wrong impression. You know I support the West but that doens't mean I would think that the whole world needs to become like a Western country....no I completely understand that countries like Russia and China will always have there own ideology Also Russia is a very important player in the future of a more stable world and for me the sooner this tension ends with the West the better for everyone. Now when I say important I think you Russians even forget that but I'm not just saying that because you Russian...I would be polite and honest if I felt Russia wasn't relevant on the global arena. Now some of the reasons that Russia is very relevant They sit on the UNSC and they could effectively VETO all requests for military intervention or sanctions and this would truly make the UNSC useless and despite what people will suggest the UNSC does get to consensus and is effective ..like the Iranian sanctions Russia has certain relationships and influence that the West doesn't have, like with Iran and Syria. Russia seems to be automatically " trusted " by some countries because they not the West Russia is a nuclear power and China will often align itself to Russia...we don't want even a hint of a real military conflict or another Cold War...the world can coexist Russia is part of BRICS and of course so is South Africa so we have vested economic interest Then I studied and observed as much of Russia and what motivates Putin as any other person. I probably know more than you think but I still am not sure of many things. Anyway I don't automatically expect you to know all these answers but your view on what you feel you can answer will be appreciated Where in Russia do you live and how come is your English so good ? What does the average Russian think the West wants from Russia? Do they see the West as some sort of bully How do you feel about China What do you understand about the sanctions, do you feel they are unfair and are you feeling there impact? Why do you think Putin felt the need to absorb Crimea and basically try to absorb eastern Ukraine....why doesn't he trust the West? Thats all for now

Yeah it seems right but the real issue for me about ISIS is how they conduct themselves on the battlefield and how they treat any non Sunni, things like slavery, systemic rape, murder, torture,beheadings ...they are always in gross violation of various war crimes. The Saudi army at least tries to stick to the Geneva Convention Fighter can I ask you a few questions about your view on some Russian topics?

That isn't sound strategy it is better to be ally some of those that you don't like and enemy for some and make them fight each other. As it is much cheaper. And if your ally starts to become too strong and starts to behave so that negatives out weight positives then just change support from them to their enemies. Roman's already prove that dived and conquer is excellent strategy to control areas that you don't care. Elerond why isn't your fellow Finn Meshugger as reasonable as you? Please speak to him ..he will listen to you

Sometimes a wife gets beaten by her husband yet she still cares for him and makes excuses for him. So it's ok because she's ok? You think the Korean hysteria is fake? It's not entirely though. And that's the point. Why not? A couple of post about it is hardly noteworthy if you're implying I care unreasonably much. Fighter before I respond I just want to add something, I have noticed you are one of the people from the GG thread who engages with me since I apologized and I appreciate that. I am not sure who talks to me and who doesn't sometimes but I would like us to continue to debate. I never Troll, I only joke and not on a thread like this. Sometimes I make a point and its not clear...this is not a problem with your comprehension but rather with how I am making the point , so just ask me clarify as I am not trolling and its important I make my points so you understand them...thats obviously not the same as agreeing Now back to the debate. Yes, sure I always believe reasonable justification for any political alliance is necessary where the West is involved. But I really don't believe Saudi Arabia is anywhere as bad as ISIS....also I can assure you that Saudi Arabia has helped the West fight Al-Qaeda The point about Saudi " funding terrorism" is often misunderstood, there are Saudi citizens who have ideological sympathies with Islamic extremist groups and yes they fund them but its not the same thing as the actual Saudi royal family funding them Yeah I agree, I have no idea how real there " love and respect is " ...you right. It could be more of a expected response No I didn't mean your efforts in this debate, I am enjoying your perspective. I mean why do we care if some Saudi's are killed due to Sharia law ?

Why? You seem very sure?