BruceVC

It gets a rise out of people - it's forcing a response. From you, from me, from anyone who sees his pretty freaking constant use of phony logic, from his complete and total lack of even a shred of intellectual honesty and good faith in the vast majority of the topics in this section - and never mind the condescension that's just dripping from way too many of his posts. And no matter how many times this kind of crap is blatantly and forcefully pointed out to him, he keeps doing the same stuff over and over. Trolling? Maybe not - maybe it's just a bad combination of narcissism or narcissist-like behavior and being...well, we don't need to go there. Point is, regardless of what it is, the result is effectively trolling way, way too much of the time...and it's about time it came to a screeching halt. There's good reason the moderating team here considers him a joke, and there's good reason a whole lot of other users, myself included, do, too. He asked me a few days ago my thoughts of the "vastly new and improved" BruceVC of today were, compared to a few months ago... Like, holy crap, man: you're still doing the same exact sort of crap that I've taken issue with repeatedly, continuously over the past year, year and a half or so...in pretty much every topic you're in. It's really gotten old. I've come to the conclusion that even if he wanted to change, he likely can't, because generally speaking, you need to be able to recognize what's wrong with your behavior before you can actively try to change it...and it's clear that he can't even get that far - no matter what we say, we can't make him see the problem. So...to the ignore list it is, and then the attempt to not click too many of the "view this post anyway" buttons, for the sake of my own sanity, and for the sake of my free time. Barti I cant get angry with you.....you make me laugh too much Barti you really misunderstand me but I did explain this earlier....not sure why we even debating this? I debate from a RL etiquette so I dont really understand these Internet stereotypes like Troll or thinking I'm being condescending ....imagine I was standing in front of you...thats why I'm always polite and for the record I'm not being egregiously and obscenely polite....I have serious sales responsibilities at work so you learn to be naturally polite...its not hard to be polite? And what do you mean "And no matter how many times this kind of crap is blatantly and forcefully pointed out to him, he keeps doing the same stuff over and over "...Barti are you smoking some goooooooooood weed? No one has ever done that ..people insult me or make inexplicable comments that arent relevant like " you need to think about Qistina " ( like I have ever given her more than 2 seconds ) Sorry Barti but your story is mostly epic fail...maybe you can actually find some examples of " all this advice that was given to me " Post the links...come on ...I dare you Oh I did receive a warning from the Mods and we had a constructive discussion around this and my whole forum etiquette started improving.The Mods are fair here so if they ask something I always try to adhere to it...so another epic fail Barti because I was the new BrucevC...and anyway why is asking how I am doing considered so vexing/? But I would like Amentep to comment but lets not try to influence him ..let him make his own mind up

Okay thanks Meshugger, I'll be sure to ponder how similar I am to Qistina over Easter A genuine, friendly advice met with a passive-aggressive snarl? That's the behaviour of a vindicative *censored*, don't be that low. A small hint, check her behaviour (not the content) and compare to yours in this thread. Well I hardy interacted with Qistina....she seemed to like me which I found a little odd because she hardly knew me...but remember when she compared me to her Scottish guy friend. I started staying away after that and you guys seemed obsessed to endlessly debate with her ....and you stopped up despite the fact she seemed to always have another anti-western view Did you really enjoy debating with her ,,,I found it tiresome

And... Here's a very good example of why I sometimes think you might just be a troll. You're either incredibly daft to ask that question, or you're trolling. If it's the former, think, the answer is obvious if you do. If it's the latter, F off. But once again its not obvious, I have been on these forums for over 3 years and my interests and motives have been more or less consistant. I like West, free markets and support SJ I am active in my own threads and through the years I have seen people come and go who use to say I was a troll So I ask you again....why would a troll with this behavior pattern create threads?

... The whole point of doing it is so it will be pointed out. That's trolling 101, and Bruce does it all the time. In all seriousness, Bruce purports to be fine with prostitution and not fine with an open marriage. Even if they were honestly held opinions rather than the forum equivalent of Gawker clickbait (no surprise Bruce would defend them, they're peas in a pod) there's literally no point even arguing with someone that disconnected with reality; the level of cognitive dissonance that would be required to honestly hold both opinions renders it utterly pointless. I always thought of trolling as intentionally riling people up, not posting logical inconsistencies so someone will point them out. Learn something new everyday, I guess.. The intent of the troll usually is indeed to rile people up, however the vast majority of the time the average troll is indeed logically inconsistent. It's one of the reasons most are very easily spotted, and the main reason most are also fairly easily shut up. That aside, Bruce drives a lot of conversation on this forum (20% of the current front page threads were started by him, and that's been the norm since before I started coming here), and definitely has some things in common with a troll, even if unintentional. I've questioned his sincerity myself on a number of occasions, and frankly I'm still not 100% sure he's not a troll of some sorts. But why would a troll start threads? And yes I was honest when you asked me, I am not a troll....Oby may be

Okay thanks Meshugger, I'll be sure to ponder how similar I am to Qistina over Easter

Okay I see you havent changed, my bad You think because I dont want to go through that incorrect view of me it is a cop out Why would you think I would want to scrutinize that post ...you think Im some sort of masochist ?

What was the 10% that was right? Going through that scathing and egregiously misplaced assessment of me is not something I feel like doing on Easter...later

What was the 10% that was right? Yeah okay I was just being polite, I am not sure I agree with much but if I had to I'm sure I could find 10 % But Im glad LK wrote it , its helped me understand why people misunderstand me Hiro you never use to speak to me but we chat now? You thought I was trolling you I think but even back then I was just joking and my RL etiquette was confusing people who thought I was being rude. I'm not blaming you because I did use to sometimes provoke you ...sorry about that

They are bad at politics because they are just not another political party or entity, it's because they are men on a mission. It is an odd situation. Most folks seek to use political power to means to achieve an end. But for the libertarians the end is the containment of the means. GD are you considering joining BLM? You should try it for 3 months, Um no. I am pretty sure they don't want me and I'm definitely sure I don't want them. I don't enjoy the company of racists who think people who don't look like them should be killed. Can I tell you something interesting, I am not familiar with BLM ...that video created a bad first impression but I am assuming not all members would act like that. If you could join I guarantee you will find they dont actually dislike white people, there view is based on the fact they think white people dont like them ...so its a reaction The experience will be a positive one, thats what happened to me in SA

[spoilered only to save screen space.] If I have time later, I may add to what you say here, but I want to at least say I very much appreciate the energy and time you took to write that, and I agree 100% with your observations on Bruce. While they very likely might be lost on Bruce himself (and seem to be based on his replies), know at least that you are not alone in your observation and opinion on this matter. Thank you for writing what you wrote. Yes I keep saying that, Im glad he wrote that because I now understand the issue Some people judge me on expected Internet etiquette, I cannot do that as I am only capable of one way of acting : RL Etiquette Hence the misunderstandings which you are perpetuating No Bruce. I at least am not judging you by some 'internet etiquette', and I don't think Longknife or at least most of the rest of the people here are either. I fully expect you to be just about exactly as you are on this forum in the 'real world', and the same goes for almost everyone else here. Thanks for still debating with me ..you could just ignore me but I will be honest in response. Almost all people will have 2 personalities, an Internet one and one in RL...I shouldnt have to point this out to you? I have only one, my RL one. Thats why I dont get most of the insults....but I'm not stupid Longknifes post was suppose to be very critical and I assumed he thought I would be offended as I would realize he is on to me But I can only be honest, he is wrong. But lets say he was right ...its would mean I am a false and deeply dysfunctional person. It would mean I have been lying for 3 years to everyone.... And you say you think that is fact and in RL you assume I am like that.....but why would you want to engage with someone like that? I wouldn't want to ....so unless you have really bad friends why would you truly believe LK and yet engage with me?

... Barti you are funny with your pictures But yes Volo has drained me ....well I'm finishing off this thread now as I am tired ..its not just Volo. We have been debating for a while now and its been very fruitful but its time to chill

[spoilered only to save screen space.] If I have time later, I may add to what you say here, but I want to at least say I very much appreciate the energy and time you took to write that, and I agree 100% with your observations on Bruce. While they very likely might be lost on Bruce himself (and seem to be based on his replies), know at least that you are not alone in your observation and opinion on this matter. Thank you for writing what you wrote. Yes I keep saying that, Im glad he wrote that because I now understand the issue Some people judge me on expected Internet etiquette, I cannot do that as I am only capable of one way of acting : RL Etiquette Hence the misunderstandings which you are perpetuating

Yeah we cool with swords....but you do realize some people think I'm a troll so you should get others views

No no, please, I couldn't possibly have more. Barti you need to read Longknifes post about me, it may make lots of sense but its 90 % wrong But its a good read as a lesson in Internet misunderstandings

Volo this will be the last time I respond to you in this thread, to be honest you are draining me as your interpretations of what I mean are always so wrong I think you tolliing But of course we will have other debates , I just mean I am leaving this debate so dont take it the wrong way Actually companies normally get blamed...not the people. For example in the 2008 financial crisis Im sure no one can name anyone who was charged ...yet you remember the actual banks As I have explained for the third time to you what Hogan did is much worse for me And yes I dont think its right what Gawker did with the lady celebrates...its worse than what they did with Hogan as he is real attention seeker....he is a wrestler and he was involved in a immoral act

Are you seriously saying that something between consenting adults is "worse" than something done without consent? Because AFAIK Hogan and Heather Clem were consenting adults in what they did but they did not consent to being filmed or to having said film distributed by Gawker. Yes for me much worse, this is a subjective judgement I have been very lucky in life, I have always had very good guy friends, I mean we share everything about ourselves and we completely trust each other and can rely on each other. Some of friends I have been friends with for 15-20 years Most of my friends are married or have serious girlfriends and I am also always very good friends with the ladies ..but its a real respect and friendship that is outside my male friends. I was raised in a matriarch society and I really appreciate my friendships with women, in fact I often enjoy doing things with women that most men would find boring, in other words " women things " But for a man to be true friends with a women he has to learn to not act on any physical attraction if it surfaces , its fine to be attracted to a lady friend but you must control how you respond. So there was and always is immense trust between me and all my guy friends about there lady partners, for example my friend would go away for a month for work and I would come down from JHB and stay with his fiancee for weekends. We would party together, sleep in the same house and even the same bed but there was never anything that made the situation uncomfortable The level of trust was unequivocal and this only made our 3 friendships more durable . So when I hear about someone who is prepared to let his wife sleep with someone like Hogan I lose immense respect for how dysfunctional that relationship really is...despite the fact they probably think " we have a open relationship which makes us stronger as a couple " Get divorced and then sleep with who you want....but seriously a wife and her husband being happy with that is just .....appalling for me So yes what Hogan did was morally worse, spiritually worse and a mockery of what a marriage is This is truly rich, coming from someone who champions gay and transgender rights, and repeatedly has said there's nothing wrong with that lifestyle at all. Absolute Platinum! Guys you both doing the same thing Lonkgknife did, you judging me on Internet etiquette yet I am coming from RL etiqutte @ Vals Please explain how what I said in that post contradicts my belief in gay rights....and yes I do support gay rights @ Hoon No idea what a duck means? Why is my comment about women funny, if you met me in RL you would see its real. Its not such a big deal to enjoy the friendship of women

... The whole point of doing it is so it will be pointed out. That's trolling 101, and Bruce does it all the time. In all seriousness, Bruce purports to be fine with prostitution and not fine with an open marriage. Even if they were honestly held opinions rather than the forum equivalent of Gawker clickbait (no surprise Bruce would defend them, they're peas in a pod) there's literally no point even arguing with someone that disconnected with reality; the level of cognitive dissonance that would be required to honestly hold both opinions renders it utterly pointless. Amentep I am sorry to go through you to respond to Zora but he ignores me. I find it very frustrating as I hate being ignored Zora claims I am troll, yet he wont debate with me. He judges me on Internet etiquette ...like Longknife he thinks my behavior and comments cannot be real yet as I said to Longknife my forum etiquette is exactly how I am in RL....and that sometimes leads to misunderstandings as RL etiquette cannot always be conveyed to the Internet ...so for example Zora says I'm trolling 101 : No this is Internet etiquette, I have NO idea what trolling 101 is Zora says I'm fine with prostitution : Correct but you need to look at this in RL etiqutte, they must legalize it so the women are given protection in the eyes of the law Zora says I'm against open marriage : False, I am against the application of it in this case. I dont judge others but I wont do it Zora says how can I support Gawker it clickbait : False once again he is judging me on Internet etiquette, I explained to you what I meant Zora says I'm clearly suffering from cognitive dissonance : This is a common Internet insult that people love to throw around but he is looking at this from Internet etiquette....its expected to say this to someone like me who he doesn't understand. Yet I admit I have cognitive dissonance, I welcome it . For me in RL etiquette I have no issue with having 2 opposing views sometimes, its normal for me in RL but I always elevate one but I can change my mind if someone presents a valid argument. But in Internet etiquette and Zora view this must be seen in a negative light " how can someone demonstrate such cognitive dissonance...its so obvious ....he must be trolling " Sorry to breakdown and dispute your post Zora but I am trying to make a point to Amentep ..I dont mean to embarrass you So Amentep for me now that Lonknife explained his view I can see how people cannot separate my Internet etiquette from the fact this is my RL etiquette And you may be thinking " why do I care what Zora thinks " , I care what anyone says but I place more importance in what others think, I dont want you to think I'm trolling because I enjoy our debates and you have always been very consistent and polite to me and you a erudite person. So why wouldn't I care what you think? But please remember I have a RL etiquette here and I can't change it, yet I dont think we have had an issue debating

really? Look who you're arguing with. Are you really surprised they're inconsistent? I know Bruce can be mercurial, but really this seemed an inconsistency worth pointing out. Amentep please dont sink to KP level of debate with me ,,,despite all my efforts with him he still misunderstands me There is no contradiction in what I said because both those sentences came from different posts so they need to be looked in context " I cant blame Gawker " was about Gawker printing the video thinking what a good scoop this was ....this is there nature like a greedy dog " I am not absolving Gawker " was about the fact I did say they were trash but compared to Hogan its not as bad I like word mercurial, people dont often use it ...I like capricious

The answer to all 3 is the Illuminati, obviously. Just kidding. I use wikipedia of course. I wasnt trying to catch you out but I know these things can be complicated and debatable ...take this forum. I consider myself informed yet according to Zora I know nothing And thats normal because for me Zora knows a lot but his predictions are always wrong because of his bias towards the West, now Drowsy has a long history with a certain type of Muslim, He knows a lot about Muslims but you will notice his opinion is also negative but for different reasons to Zora because of the history of Serbia End of the day no one can say with certainty what will be the outcome of the refugees in the EU because its unprecedented but we all agree ISIS needs to be destroyed in Syria and Iraq as these are home bases. I have always maintained ground troops will be needed but you notice because the USA is correctly not taking the lead no one else is I really thought Russia would commit ground troops and actually gain some real respect but they pulled out and the justifications dont make sense So ISIS cannot be defeated until ground troops from some country are committed and yes there will be casualties for the invading force

Thank you, now I get your view. Please dont assume I know what lol means Its not that any society accepts a rise in crime, its a reality that you guys live a first world block of countries where in many places crime is non-existent...the EU is an amazing and successful political experiment and you should be proud But we have to now look at the reality, the EU has accepted about 2 million refugees from Syria...unfortunately also people from other countries taking advantage. There is no point blaming Merkel....lets focus on how to best address the situation with honesty and realism 90 % of these refugees come from war torn and economically destitute countries ....I have been to some African countries where some of these refugees come from and I cannot tell you how bad it is. But in the EU most people come from Syria....5 years of war. You need to accept that there will be a small percentage 5 % of these people who will not assimilate and may commit crime You cannot know " who will commit crime "but it will happen, its important we dont overreact and judge all Muslims You dont have to believe me but I'm positioning the reality of your situation...how you deal with it is up to you

Thats a dream world and those days are over but I promise you you will be fine Your country and yourselves can handle what is coming but you need to be realistic and accept certain levels of crime will increase lol Not sure why you laughing ? I'm being very serious....but lets not over exaggerate things. I'm not saying the EU will go to war. I just want all you guys in the EU to be a little realistic and pragmatic ....yes crime will increase but its not the end of the world I am trying to help but I have to be honest lol again. It's completely absurd, that's why. Please can we not have these monolithic responses like you have with alum I respect you and I always answer with as much information as possible so you dont have to ask me " and what next " What is absurd about what I said ?

Unless there was a celebrity involved, no. He's not talking about the US. Oh, he's talking about Europe? Yeah, the grass was much greener back in the 40's, and the decades that followed with the iron curtain up. Hurlshot I wasn't going to ask you this because I think this may annoy me but I'm curious You teach your kids about groups like ISIS and once again I am amazed how effective your education system is and how dedicated you are But who teaches you about ISIS? So for example I would like to ask you 3 questions about ISIS, I am not going to agree or disagree with your responses I just want to see how you respond How did ISIS get created What does ISIS want Who is aligned with ISIS globally? I'm sorry if these may seem hard so please only answer what you can or want to

So as long as you deem the activity "morally repugnant" Gawker is okay to film it in secret and post it on the internet? Guy murders another guy and Gawker has secret film footage and neither guys permission: Okay to post, murder is morally repugnant. Guy rapes a woman and Gawker has secret film footage and neither the rapist nor the woman's permission: Okay to post, rape is morally repugnant. Do you not see how goofy it is to absolve Gawker of its own responsibility because the "secret film footage" was of an action you, personally, find morally repugnant? But I am not absolving Gawker and I look at things on a per case basis as far as my moral code is concerned. And both murder and rape would be seen differently I am saying in the case of a man allowing his wife, or his wife wanting to, have sex with someone like Hogan that is morally wrong and then greater evil than Gawker L

Youre all good with me, BVC. Thanks

Thats a dream world and those days are over but I promise you you will be fine Your country and yourselves can handle what is coming but you need to be realistic and accept certain levels of crime will increase lol Not sure why you laughing ? I'm being very serious....but lets not over exaggerate things. I'm not saying the EU will go to war. I just want all you guys in the EU to be a little realistic and pragmatic ....yes crime will increase but its not the end of the world I am trying to help but I have to be honest