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GD I know you take politics seriously but lets be realistic ....Clinton will win Don't you think you should start to get use to respect her ...I mean if she is president. I assume you guys respect the office? I would be also frustrated by Trump...but he is more a symptom of the Republicans failure to install real confidence. Lets not blame the Democrats for having a logical structure and appeal. I have said this before but the Republicans have almost lost there identity And yes they need to stop offending minorities and coming across so conservative....it can't be that hard ?

Mmmmm....so much for the hardcore socialist values Guys its fate, Clinton is obviously the choice

Why am I not surprised that people on this forum are not impressed ? Obsidian elitism strikes again....does anyone actually feel like they are now just being unreasonable

No there is some issue still there about where they come from, Dark wouldn't even tell me where he lived when I first asked him and alum snapped at me and assumed something when I asked him I hope I'm not embarrassing you guys but its better to just discuss these things so there is nothing weird or strange about where you live Because I wanted to avoid needless tags. People from Western EU, US, Canda, Scandinavia, and generally rich countries, perceive people from CEE as "beggars" and sometimes worse. It would not be the case if a lot of people from CEE would not go to other countries and do some simple jobs, even when holding masters degree... and why? because salaries in the CEE countries are relatively small, while prices are on near West EU level, with exception of rents, public transport and general grocery products + health care/beauty related services - like dental services and plastic surgery. Here, example from Poland, which uses median (gross salary, so you need to take away taxes and social insurance deductions, which amount to roughly 30% in the lowest range). Remember that 1USD is around 3,93PLN and 1EUR is around 4,27PLN while for example a price of a perfume i recently bought for myself, because i am used to it (Channel Home Allure 150ml) is 609PLN (includes VAT), 40cm radius pizza costs around 35-40PLN And Poland is one of the richer CEE countries. Yes I understand what you say some people think about Poland, we have property in London and the one day I was watching a protest from the BNP and there is nothing more annoying than watching fellow white people who are not only racist but ignorant..anyway they were complaining about the all the illegal " Polish and Romanians\Hungarians" living in the UK " living off the social services " ...basically implying you guys were parasites Also my dad was telling me in his day everyone use to joke about Polish people ....but my point is so what? You need to look at the reality of EU So firstly as you know I really believe in the EU but we need to be honest about some things, so lets look at the " old Europe " view of East European countries. Yes there was a time where Poland, Hungary, Romania would have been looked down on by some people. But now we have an EU where the country that was defeated in 2 world wars is the dominant and influential....yet they have no army? How is that possible ....funny enough that is a question some people in "old Europe " ask themselves and they feel a sense of resentment towards the Germans. But the realty is Germany absolutely deserves to be such a dominant economy, they were able to recreate themselves out of the inferno of shame of Nazism and economic defeat. They could have given up....people like Lexx on this forum is German and yet he refuses to give his country any credit and says things like " what Germany has done anyone could have done " I don't blame him for this view. I am not here to tell people to be proud of the EU, you guys will naturally appreciate your way of life if its ever threatened by external forces like Islamic Extremism. And this basically includes most people on this forum who live in the EU but seem to think its weird to say "I'm proud to live in Netherlands " ( TN and Hoonding especially unpatriotic ) Anyway so now there are people in old Europe who can't accept that Germany is the most influential power in the region....they seem to live in the past where they think WW2 matters....so first thing those are the type of people who look down on East Europeans and rely on insults to justify there importance. But now what matters is the economic factor of any country in the EU. This is correct, in previous times it was about military success but the EU doesn't need an army. It has our American friends, the UK and France to address the military aspect So as far as I know Poland was considered a rising and economic star...I'm not sure if that is still true with the right wing government ? But CNN has done numerous documentaries of Poland called " Poland Rising" and my Polish friend tells me how well the country is doing So if I was you and any other East European I would just ask myself " why do I care about bigots in countries who aren't even the most relevant anymore " But then it gets worse for " old Europe " ....the mighty and historical PIGS countries, the birthplaces of Democracy ...the places that have always existed and always will as they " don't really need to work hard and maintain good governance" .. no not them. Everyone else in the EU like your countries, Scandinavian countries and Baltic states gets down and works hard but suddenly after 2008 various levels of mismanagement and economic incompetence is exposed in these PIGS countries This is actually an embarrassment ...well it should be because the reality is there are African countries who are working harder than these PIGS countries and they work harder under much worse conditions . I work in the financial section and what was asked of the PIGS countries was nothing unreasonable ...seriously. People like 2133 will claim how imperialistic and dictatorial Germany and the EU Troika became. How unreasonable the austerity is....and you know what? Its quite amazing how everyone else in the EU can maintain the rules of the EU..in fact the EU Troika gave countries like Greece many chances. I'm sorry but why should We feel sorry for any country from a prestigious region like the EU for not maintaining its own economy ? So now back to Poland and other East European countries. I am absolutely amazed that you may feel you are not legitimate and proven members of the EU? Under the last few years why you would feel inferior just doesn't make sense And I am very supportive of the EU but its all about the economic success and this is a good benchmark

No there is some issue still there about where they come from, Dark wouldn't even tell me where he lived when I first asked him and alum snapped at me and assumed something when I asked him I hope I'm not embarrassing you guys but its better to just discuss these things so there is nothing weird or strange about where you live

I am from EU Yes but you also understand life under Communism...you know how bad things can be Do you think people who never lived under the USSR understand it? I have talked about it with my boss from UK/Scotland who is hardcore socialist, he was unnable to get even a glympse . but I was lucky that i was living in it only like year or two Its annoying when people who have never lived under Communism but live now in first world countries complain and say things like " Communism is more fairer than Capitalism" ...yes I respect some countries prefer the USSR like Mam War but he is more the exception

Guys please don't assume I am as ignorant as some about East European countries I am just amazed that you think admitting you Polish is something that you need to keep secret, I never told you I have had several Polish friends in SA. One of my ex-Girlfriends was from Poland. Her name was Alicja Grakalska (spelling on surname )..anyway she was a really nice person and she was a professional pole dancer. I always use to tease her when I saw her and pretend to speak Russian...but she had no accent, she always use to laugh. When she got married to a good friend of mine we had a South African and Polish wedding You see this is one of the problems with the EU and why some of you guys feel threatened by the Syrians , there is this bizarre historical resentment of Germany and then you guys think that the fact you come from East Europe somehow is a bad thing because of historical biased from some European countries ..." look its the Slavs " ....alum actually thought I was suggesting the country of Hungary is genetically more inclined to commit rape Sorry I'm not going to suggest there is something wrong with you or suggest you are all ignorant. There is nothing wrong with any of your countries but the fact you seem to think there is actually a self-repeating stereotype. You are all white to us in Africa ...you are all European to us. It makes no difference ....be proud of where you come from I am not trying to make you feel guilty but I live in a country where large numbers of people have a real lack of confidence and feel they have no heritage....

I am from EU Yes but you also understand life under Communism...you know how bad things can be Do you think people who never lived under the USSR understand it?

So when you say Public housing do you have photos..also does Canada pay for that ?

Okay sure, I know people say they don't like it but why is this an issue?> Because I have to scroll through walls of text i already seen and at top are no longer relevant to actual topic of discussion No problem, I understand your reasons...you see if someone from a first world country like the USA or EU had asked me I would have assumed they were being lazy but I know you guys don't complain for no reason due to your history

Okay sure, I know people say they don't like it but why is this an issue?>

Yeah, only a poorly thought-out post that you composed in less than five minutes cannot really compare to a mural and even in this day and age would not be considered art by anyone. Feel free to go draw up a rape scene involving refugees on the side of the town hall, though. And hey: if you care so much about the victims of such rapes, why aren't you devoting every single free second of your time to help rape victims? There are volunteer organizations for this as well as career choices you can make to help people, you know. (see what I did there?) But it isn't about people at all, but rather your own issues, yes? Maybe get help? It's clear that venting is just not doing the trick. Good luck. I appriciate your concern, but i am already a member of such organisation that actively help people and donate my own money monthly. These "artists" piss me off like no other since they are the most vocal while doing the least. Previously, at least they managed to raise a debate with some insight, but now they are just dumb. I dont know Meshugger but 2133 makes a good point here. Can I give you some advice that I learnt about living in South Africa. its much better to just say " I dont want thousands of Syrian Muslims immigrating to Finland because we have such different cultures " ...you don't even need to justify it because there is no country in the world that would be fine with it under the circumstances unless you prepare to accept them like Germany or like Sweden you really believe in the social aspect But what you are doing, or rather what it probably seems for others, is finding actually irrelevant or contradictory reasons that come across as you being racist ot bigoted. Now you shouldn't have to feel like that but if you take what 2133 is saying he is right yet I know thats not what you are really saying Its funny but living in the West sometimes we feel because of our past we can''t ever say " no I would prefer only limited migrants " as that would seem racist. It's just because you're close-minded. One can have altruism for others, while still wishing the best of your own people. It is possible But you must realize thats not how you coming across ...hence the reason people like alum and 2133 challenge you on some things So? Even if it gets heated, it is a debate afterall. Ideas exchanged, etc, etc. It would be quite worse if we all just got along, yuck! No you misunderstand me, of course debate is good I'm saying people are getting the wrong idea about you and why you say certain things ...thats not the same thing as a good debate

No its not strange, its exactly as I called it I wish I could say its because I am so insightful but the reality is sometimes stranger than fiction. I am more excited to see if I'm right about the overall election result as that would confirm my view around how the American minority groups influence overall results....now then I would share some pertinent information about appealing to these groups

Yeah, only a poorly thought-out post that you composed in less than five minutes cannot really compare to a mural and even in this day and age would not be considered art by anyone. Feel free to go draw up a rape scene involving refugees on the side of the town hall, though. And hey: if you care so much about the victims of such rapes, why aren't you devoting every single free second of your time to help rape victims? There are volunteer organizations for this as well as career choices you can make to help people, you know. (see what I did there?) But it isn't about people at all, but rather your own issues, yes? Maybe get help? It's clear that venting is just not doing the trick. Good luck. I appriciate your concern, but i am already a member of such organisation that actively help people and donate my own money monthly. These "artists" piss me off like no other since they are the most vocal while doing the least. Previously, at least they managed to raise a debate with some insight, but now they are just dumb. I dont know Meshugger but 2133 makes a good point here. Can I give you some advice that I learnt about living in South Africa. its much better to just say " I dont want thousands of Syrian Muslims immigrating to Finland because we have such different cultures " ...you don't even need to justify it because there is no country in the world that would be fine with it under the circumstances unless you prepare to accept them like Germany or like Sweden you really believe in the social aspect But what you are doing, or rather what it probably seems for others, is finding actually irrelevant or contradictory reasons that come across as you being racist ot bigoted. Now you shouldn't have to feel like that but if you take what 2133 is saying he is right yet I know thats not what you are really saying Its funny but living in the West sometimes we feel because of our past we can''t ever say " no I would prefer only limited migrants " as that would seem racist. It's just because you're close-minded. One can have altruism for others, while still wishing the best of your own people. It is possible But you must realize thats not how you coming across ...hence the reason people like alum and 2133 challenge you on some things

Uh-huh. Not good enough, sorry. If you aren't helping out all day everyday, you have no right to raise a point. It's not that I believe this, of course, but that's pretty much the logic you are using with the tired "he likes immigrants, he can take them all in his house instead of speaking up" nonsense. Also, I have serious doubts that you actually know anything about the author(s) considering that you can barely spell the name right. Feel free to prove me wrong. They are dumb, but you aren't exactly raising the level of the debate, yourself. 2133 I wish you would engage with me, I enjoy our debates and what is frustrating is people like you and Zora refuse to debate with me because you think I'm a troll. For me I'm fascinated by what motivates you and yes I will always be honest with you which I think you think is trolling but surly after all this time you can't still think I'm a troll? I'll be honest I like debating with clever people and I know you are bright but you just have a few misconceptions about things like the EU...so its not like we differ on everything and I appreciate your support of SJ issues

Yeah, only a poorly thought-out post that you composed in less than five minutes cannot really compare to a mural and even in this day and age would not be considered art by anyone. Feel free to go draw up a rape scene involving refugees on the side of the town hall, though. And hey: if you care so much about the victims of such rapes, why aren't you devoting every single free second of your time to help rape victims? There are volunteer organizations for this as well as career choices you can make to help people, you know. (see what I did there?) But it isn't about people at all, but rather your own issues, yes? Maybe get help? It's clear that venting is just not doing the trick. Good luck. I appriciate your concern, but i am already a member of such organisation that actively help people and donate my own money monthly. These "artists" piss me off like no other since they are the most vocal while doing the least. Previously, at least they managed to raise a debate with some insight, but now they are just dumb. I dont know Meshugger but 2133 makes a good point here. Can I give you some advice that I learnt about living in South Africa. its much better to just say " I dont want thousands of Syrian Muslims immigrating to Finland because we have such different cultures " ...you don't even need to justify it because there is no country in the world that would be fine with it under the circumstances unless you prepare to accept them like Germany or like Sweden you really believe in the social aspect But what you are doing, or rather what it probably seems for others, is finding actually irrelevant or contradictory reasons that come across as you being racist ot bigoted. Now you shouldn't have to feel like that but if you take what 2133 is saying he is right yet I know thats not what you are really saying Its funny but living in the West sometimes we feel because of our past we can''t ever say " no I would prefer only limited migrants " as that would seem racist.

For my part, the only reason to put up an x-mas tree at all is to have an actual goddamn pine tree in the house for awhile. It's nice to have lights in it (which enhance the experience of lying beneath the branches on one's back and looking upwards), but I could do without all the other decorations. I go buy one every year from the parking lot of the paramedic station around the block. They sell at a ridiculous markup, but I think of it as a donation to a neighborhood nonprofit, and I enjoy the experience of strolling in to buy one and surprising them by carrying it home by hand. haven't had a christmas tree these past few years, which on one level is ironic given that we own a christmas tree farm. the "farm" is on less than five acres, and it is in idaho, so is a bit o' a drive for us to bring home one o' our trees. +80 year old woman works the place for us with minimal help from her kids and grandkids. is one o' the properties we is seriously considering retiring to. mary, our caretaker, is gonna get the house as well as 3 acres whenever she tells us she wants to retire... or when Gromnir retires. haven't told her yet. maybe next christmas? in any event, is a good chance that we will be having a christmas tree farm in our backyard in a couple years. am inexplicably amused by the thought. HA! Good Fun! Holy Smoke Gromnir.....you allow a women that old to work?That would be illegal and criticized in South African but we can sometimes be a little overly concerned with SJ sjw would be beating down our door if we kicked her outta her "home" 'cause she is too old. we bought the land from her some years ago when she were desperate to sell, but she didn't wanna go live with her kids and grandkids. we handed her a big pile o' money and she got to stay in her home. for all intents and purposes, she lives there rent free and makes a bit o' money on the side selling christmas trees and some produce. her family thinks Gromnir is some kinda bonafide saint, which we find a it unsettling. *shrug* HA! Good Fun! Yeah I knew the story was something like that, its weird but in South Africa if a white person was involved in that type of agreed work contract and a black women was 80 it would still be seen as " abuse " or " a case of white people being unconcerned " ...even if she wanted to work. So we just leave it because its easier to agree and not push a point

For my part, the only reason to put up an x-mas tree at all is to have an actual goddamn pine tree in the house for awhile. It's nice to have lights in it (which enhance the experience of lying beneath the branches on one's back and looking upwards), but I could do without all the other decorations. I go buy one every year from the parking lot of the paramedic station around the block. They sell at a ridiculous markup, but I think of it as a donation to a neighborhood nonprofit, and I enjoy the experience of strolling in to buy one and surprising them by carrying it home by hand. haven't had a christmas tree these past few years, which on one level is ironic given that we own a christmas tree farm. the "farm" is on less than five acres, and it is in idaho, so is a bit o' a drive for us to bring home one o' our trees. +80 year old woman works the place for us with minimal help from her kids and grandkids. is one o' the properties we is seriously considering retiring to. mary, our caretaker, is gonna get the house as well as 3 acres whenever she tells us she wants to retire... or when Gromnir retires. haven't told her yet. maybe next christmas? in any event, is a good chance that we will be having a christmas tree farm in our backyard in a couple years. am inexplicably amused by the thought. HA! Good Fun! Holy Smoke Gromnir.....you allow a women that old to work?That would be illegal and criticized in South African but we can sometimes be a little overly concerned with SJ

Well done So what does this new company do and what will you be doing?

It depends what part of it you read and how literally you take it. "Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury. Whoever kills an animal must make restitution, but whoever kills a human being is to be put to death." Leviticus 24:19-21 (NIV) It also has this passage "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also." Matthew 5:38-39 (NIV) Although it also says "Thou shalt not kill." Exodus 20:13 (King James Version), which for example has changed to "You shall not murder." in New International Version (one of the English translations, which is meant to be a translation in the common language of the American people. also translation where I took eye for eye quotes), which has quite different meaning in our society. So everything that you read in translated or copied versions of bible should be read with grain of salt and ponder what were world views of those that produced, made, translated, write, copied that version of the bible. And of course when you teach you kids you have lots of different translations from which you can choose and decide which follows best your world view. Elerond ..you are a legend, maybe we should get married? We get on well and share many views...thats always a good start to marriage ?

The modern right-wing in a nutshell.Oh you sensitive little pink flower. Did it hurt you? Want me to kiss you or hug? I mean poor little man... Ah, covering up insecurities by calling people names. Digging deep in the playbook with that one. Well he was called a name first....doesn't the bible say " an eye for an eye " ......never forget what you teach your kids

Well yeah, the media landscape is garbage. But the Daily Fail and Rupert Murdoch aren't the edges by any stretch of the imagination, they're just mass market outrage bait and the opposite side of the coin from archetypal 'Nazi SJW Daily News' 'progressive' outrage bait, they could both just as easily be run by Gawker. They're as much part of the problem as the agenda pushing media you disagree with. It's infectiously stupid, lazy and designed to hook people just as much as any drug is. I'm equal opportunity when it comes to media analysis; I hate the spineless, censorious, preachy 'progressive' press and the arbitrary, dishonest, differently preachy 'conservative' press with an equal passion; and both sides obsession with writing what might as well be fairy tale narratives rather than facts. No the international media is fine, if 4-5 independent international networks have basically the same story then it would be strange to think its spurious Also nowadays the scope of a story is not just about some guy sitting in a room reading a piece of paper. There are debates, live interviews and quantifiable data....yes mistakes happen and you have to be very doubtful of channels like RT but end of the day you can get accurate information

You getting some escorts to liven the party up Nonek ? No judgement from my side if you do

http://www.today.com/news/donald-trump-putin-has-eaten-obamas-lunch-ukraine-2D79372098 Trump thinks Obama is weak against Russia

Look, WWIII has been coming for quite a while. We just need to get over with so that history can continue and we can have WWIV. Also, Hillary said that she would break communications with Russia so she is also a prime candidate for starting a World War. Which; let's be frank, will likely happen when a Muslim extremist bombs Israel and they enact their Samson option. You joking right?.....You exaggerating with this post