BruceVC

Consensus in the USA political theater ......son whatever you smoking I want some

Which post are you referring to GD? I may have done it several times

Yes, it sounds horrible to say it out loud as it sounds arrogant but its true...people focus on things that aren't relevant and then they sway the voting system a certain way But as Baro pointed out we can't really do anything about it I suppose?

We've had 5 Prime Ministers over a span of 5 years. I've honestly not noticed much difference. So much for those Western values. Okay I see the contradiction in my post .....yes a free and fair election is part of Western ideology I take back what I said earlier

I speak the truth my friend and the truth is often intimidating

Most of those changes of PM's in Australia the last 10 years were internal party squabbles in the Labour party. They have this weird thing that gives the unions a disproportional influence and they practise cloak and dagger politics a lot. Kevin and Julia taking turns gathering enough votes at political meetings to have each other dragged out of office in the middle of the night and replaced with new labour leader cliques, replacing the top powerstructures with "loyal legionaires" while disposing of anyone loyal to the ruling Caesar PM. It's quite entertaining in a tv drama kind of way. Australia also has an unusually short maximum term of 3 years before new elections are required, making it even more impressive that they backstab each other before elections are up anyway. Yes, I was referring to Kevin and Julia How does a PM get replaced in Oz before his term ends? Who can vote them out....it just seems like a fragile system because the reality is you can't expect the average common citizen to really understand who is the best person to run a country? Get enough important party members to summon an impromptu caucus and elect a new party leader. Simple as that. The people vote for the party, not the person, so in the end, the party decides who resides in the "cottage" (the PM's residence, like the White House and 10, Downing Street). Yeah it adds to the chaos because you just have to ensure you have enough party members to be on your side .....can they have a leadership change anytime? What boys? Wait let me guess.....you guys know the best candidate for your country right

Most of those changes of PM's in Australia the last 10 years were internal party squabbles in the Labour party. They have this weird thing that gives the unions a disproportional influence and they practise cloak and dagger politics a lot. Kevin and Julia taking turns gathering enough votes at political meetings to have each other dragged out of office in the middle of the night and replaced with new labour leader cliques, replacing the top powerstructures with "loyal legionaires" while disposing of anyone loyal to the ruling Caesar PM. It's quite entertaining in a tv drama kind of way. Australia also has an unusually short maximum term of 3 years before new elections are required, making it even more impressive that they backstab each other before elections are up anyway. Yes, I was referring to Kevin and Julia How does a PM get replaced in Oz before his term ends? Who can vote them out....it just seems like a fragile system because the reality is you can't expect the average common citizen to really understand who is the best person to run a country?

Victor is my second name and C is my surname

Yes it correct you dont charge the ladies ...but you shouldn't charge the guy then as it was consensual In South Africa we dropped the age of consent between young people to 12 and 16....so you wont get charged From Volourn's link: "The case has come before the courts in County Kildare in the Republic of Ireland where the age of consent for males and females is 17. Boys under that age can be prosecuted for statutory rape, but females cannot." I guess the Irish still need to catch up a bit on the equal rights front? 17 is far to strict but Ireland is Conservative due to Catholicism But seriously ....thinking its wrong people at that age want to have sex As I said we acknowledge the reality of sexual activity in teenagers and young people. So we allow consensual sex from the age of 12 to 16

Invoking Bruce. I'm betting he's standing in front of his mirror chanting ONE BRUCY VC, TWO BRUCY VC, err... uhm, like, right now. "Bruce" even rhymes a bit with "Beetlejuice" u funnny, I enjoyed that movie

Again Bruce, the issue is not who Dean votes for as a Democratic primary voter or general election voter, it's that he is a superdelegate and his support for Clinton is the equivalent of 1/16th of the entire state of Vermont. It's criticism of the superdelegate system in the Democratic primary because it is undemocratic. Okay well thats easy to address.....its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes I just see that reason as a valid point but more a distraction as Dean cant change that Still trying to skew that people here are talking about Dean himself? No one here has said it was at all about him, it was about the power of superdelegates and he was used as an example. Are you deliberately obtuse or do you lack conceptual thinking? You funny I just addressed the question of the super delegates ....in the post you quoted. I said " its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes" Meshugger I like you...you really weird but you are also the last person who should be calling me obtuse....and this term " conceptual thinking " ....are you sure you want to debate something that has a unclear meaning for you? He is correct Bruce. You are either completely misunderstanding what has been written by many here, and is easily located via search engine, or you are going out of your way to ignore pertinent facts and your mind is truly does lack the ability to think, conceptually, critically, as well as objectively. You will find no honest ethical person, Democrat, Republican, or whatever, who understands the 'super-delegate' system that will defend it. It is an absolute cowpie system, created by corrupt Ftards, and generally made up of corrupt Ftards such as Dean. Interesting, you also dont seem to comprehending my basic point? Guys for the last time, I'm not defending it as I mention in the post quoted AGAIN by you We cant fix it now, wait till after the election then push for change? Its about activism Vals ....its about not just complaining on a forum. This is why I spend so much time on radio talk shows discussing politics and events that influence SA

Guys I am not avoiding making the post, I will be making it. I'm just at work and I need to be make the post without being disturbed Sorry for the delay

Again Bruce, the issue is not who Dean votes for as a Democratic primary voter or general election voter, it's that he is a superdelegate and his support for Clinton is the equivalent of 1/16th of the entire state of Vermont. It's criticism of the superdelegate system in the Democratic primary because it is undemocratic. Okay well thats easy to address.....its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes I just see that reason as a valid point but more a distraction as Dean cant change that Still trying to skew that people here are talking about Dean himself? No one here has said it was at all about him, it was about the power of superdelegates and he was used as an example. Are you deliberately obtuse or do you lack conceptual thinking? You funny I just addressed the question of the super delegates ....in the post you quoted. I said " its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes" Meshugger I like you...you really weird but you are also the last person who should be calling me obtuse....and this term " conceptual thinking " ....are you sure you want to debate something that has a unclear meaning for you?

Again Bruce, the issue is not who Dean votes for as a Democratic primary voter or general election voter, it's that he is a superdelegate and his support for Clinton is the equivalent of 1/16th of the entire state of Vermont. It's criticism of the superdelegate system in the Democratic primary because it is undemocratic. Okay well thats easy to address.....its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes I just see that reason as a valid point but more a distraction as Dean cant change that

Yes it correct you dont charge the ladies ...but you shouldn't charge the guy then as it was consensual In South Africa we dropped the age of consent between young people to 12 and 16....so you wont get charged

Yes sure but once again I ask a simple question....does the USA Constitution not allow him to vote for who he wants? So it seems what would make people happy if Dean used his superdelegate rights to vote for Sanders ....that would be okay right?

Its become an issue because the reality is the people of Vermont feel he should now vote for Sanders ..because the majority of people in Vermont will be voting for Sanders...once again its a strange view and makes no sense to me Ah. You're confusing Dean's role as a 'super-delegate' with his vote as everyday citizen X. The people of Vermont have a legitimate complaint over Dean's potential act as a 'super-delegate', and the 'super-delegate' system overall. Okay so what is the issue because according to the Link Dean doesn't think there is an issue ? What legitimate right do the citizens have over Dean around who he can vote for?

Still ignoring the heart of the controversy. ? "Principles". Baro its not a controversy, you feel it is but I am telling you Dean can vote for who he wants Yes and Oz politics....you can't tell me you think its stable ? You have people getting replaced in the middle of there term and then people decide to replace that candidate. You have a PM getting replaced because Oz citizens suddenly get mood swings...its very chaotic to me and seems a little odd

Its become an issue because the reality is the people of Vermont feel he should now vote for Sanders ..because the majority of people in Vermont will be voting for Sanders...once again its a strange view and makes no sense to me

No you see you basically expect Howard Dean to somehow not have the same rights as every other USA citizen....remember Baro we aren't Americans. This is not Oz voting where people just vote for whoever they think looks good. In the USA some of these candidates have been planning this for years....its understandable I still fail to see why you think Dean should be going against his principles ?

Volo please just post what you want ....I'm not going to try to guess what you mean I want to understand your point but surly you can provide links if you want people to understand your point...I'm being honest I dont get your point ?

10 second google search Sorry I did know about this story, Howard Dean is perfectly entitled to vote for Hilary Clinton He has been a supporter of her for ages, he is a very astute politician. I honestly find it unreasonable and arrogant that the people of Vermont think he has no right to vote for who he feels is the correct candidate I'm not why this even became an issue,,,isnt the principle of voting in the USA sacrosanct where people are allowed to vote for who they want? Or do we break traditional rules because the people of Vermont now like Sanders?

Stop being obtuse Bruce. The controversy was the fact that if Sanders won the democrat nomination he'd be willing to "override" that in favour of Clinton. To put it crudely. I'm not with you? I dont know the details ....sorry what do you mean?

Links? Volo let me decide if what she said is insulting....we both know you tend to jump to conclusions

No And some of the US members are not