BruceVC

WOD ...where did you read that Germany was letting in another 10 million refugees? They wont be letting in more than 2 million to Germany.... And France is a completely different story, they have a real problem but its unique to France. France has been letting in French Muslims to France from there colonies since the 1960's but back in those days the French understandably didn't understand the importance of integration ....so the immigrants have been living in these ghettos ...on social grants but not feeling part of French culture. So naturally extremism would be more common there Germany is NOTHING like France

WOD, you are an intelligent guy so please consider what I am saying Germany has 81 million people, has survived 2 world wars, has had its country carved up and was reviled for years due to Nazism and yet still managed to rebuild its economy and become the most powerful economy in Europe and a foundation of the EU Now do you really think that somehow 2 million despondent, broken, indigent and country less Syrians are going to somehow destroy Germany? So what if they don't assimilate ...then they go home once the war is over

Okay, this is interesting. Please tell me why you feel that way about her ?

WOD you must realize that people are unfairly critical of Merkel...what is your view of her?

Did I say it isn't? Yes but Dark's whole perspective is shaped by this and that original post he made about his family was part of his point as he was adding context And you challenged his notion of fathers\grandfathers and there contribution ...yet that wasn't really his point

Care for your own before everyone else, it's a reasonable thing to do - most of the time people care more about their blood relations than some dude on the street Hazarding a guess, also people hate having to mind others or in some way feel like they are being punished for getting ahead. How accurate those are when it comes to making society fair, depends on circumstance and implementation. Also I understand where alum is coming from....he is right if we were looking at this whole refugee crisis in an equatable " society " perspective But we not for two main reasons IMO None of the countries in the ME would welcome Hungarian or Polish ...or any other European country's refugees so lets not feel there is precedent There are certain ME countries that haven't allowed a single Syrian refugee in yet now there is this expectation that the EU must just be welcoming So in summary its okay to not want thousands of Syrians coming to immigrate to your country

I don't know, my life is fair? What does that really mean ....do we have an expectation that life owes us something?

Who did I say was trolling? Do you mean Qistina?

In the old days I would have felt the need to correct you and explain what you don't understand about sovereignty and why you need to embrace refugees But I now believe that its fine for any country to decide they dont want refugees. And it shouldnt become a big deal, there are also other historical and social reasons that the East European countries would be even less likely to want refugees. But old Europe can definitely take in some and of course the socially advanced countries like Sweden and Denmark Eh, define "general". Fidesz cronies are obviously going to be spouting the "they're here to take away our jobs and defile our wymminz" rhetorics, but they're not exactly the majority of the populace. I mean average the Hungarian citizen

Yes it is the same. She's not trolling, I think, as in not trying to wind you all up. She, like Volo, is made of iron - the flames of posters do naught but harden her. No Malc ...I dont think you understand the question....there is no way I'm as condescending as before. I'm sure you misunderstood me

What if it would only save the ones deemed "good" by your personal moral metrics? alum I meant to ask you this earlier, how systemic and or real is this resentment towards the Syrians in Hungary I have come across a few views that highlight how badly some refugees get treated in Hungary. What is the general view in Hungary towards these refugees ?

I don't mean to sound dismissive because rapes are terrible but the reality of cases of rape in the refugee camps amongst the refugees isnt enough to really deter the overall strategy? In other words I imagine crime is fairly common in these refuge camps ? What....why don't you like Merkel? How is she a villain? Bruce it isn't that they are just raping each other. There have been over a dozen instances of rape involving German women. That to me is more than enough reason. As I have posted before I would not trade the life of a single American citizen if it would save every man woman and child in Syria. If I have to choose between us and them I'm choosing us every time. GD ...mmmm,,,,are you using that famous Tennessee hyperbole again? So if someone said to you we will kill one American or nuke the whole of Syria ....what would you chose ? Bye bye Syria you cold buddy....you cold...but you make me laugh

I don't mean to sound dismissive because rapes are terrible but the reality of cases of rape in the refugee camps amongst the refugees isnt enough to really deter the overall strategy? In other words I imagine crime is fairly common in these refuge camps ? What....why don't you like Merkel? How is she a villain? Bruce it isn't that they are just raping each other. There have been over a dozen instances of rape involving German women. That to me is more than enough reason. As I have posted before I would not trade the life of a single American citizen if it would save every man woman and child in Syria. If I have to choose between us and them I'm choosing us every time. GD ...mmmm,,,,are you using that famous Tennessee hyperbole again? So if someone said to you we will kill one American or nuke the whole of Syria ....what would you chose ?

Wasn't ISIS literally the runner up? Or it may have been third or fourth. Regardless, though. Yes the founder of ISIS was, remember the Time award goes to someone who has had the most impact on the world ...good or bad

I don't mean to sound dismissive because rapes are terrible but the reality of cases of rape in the refugee camps amongst the refugees isnt enough to really deter the overall strategy? In other words I imagine crime is fairly common in these refuge camps ? What....why don't you like Merkel? How is she a villain?

Minus the response, it's pretty much like debating with anyone here. No one concedes and just go at each other. No dude...its not the same I think Qistina is trolling, no one can keep having such biased views of the West. So much has been explained to her yet she still repeats certain things Can I ask you something else, do you think I'm less condescending than I use to be? Please be honest

Can I ask you a honest question, do you not appreciate and like being part of the EU?

Thats a bit harsh don't you think KP? Who has lost confidence in the EU....yes there are criticisms around her decision about the refugees but surly you can't dismiss Germany in its entirety because of this? I understand you are frustrated, I dont agree with it but I respect your views But irrespective of your views of Merkel can you not agree that she does care about the sustainability of the EU ?

GD do you have another link to this story outside of Breitbart? Yeah Briebart is a crappy site with pop ups and adware. This is from the Chicago Tribune: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-uber-driver-shoots-gunman-met-0420-20150419-story.html Thats a good story, I hadn't even heard of it until now

Does not know enough details to tell how it would work, but it's worth looking at. Seems she should be a bit more informed You know why she won't commit to a strategy now....if she does she will face the full onslaught of powerful and vociferous groups like the NRA who will really attack her on any idea and it will become a distraction The NRA is going to attack her no matter what. As Enoch pointed out this is just a ploy during the nomination process. Once she is nominated we'll hear no more of this. I gave you my honest opinion of Hillary's candidacy on the previous page. Yes I meant to say that was a very good post, you are very articulate and even if I dont agree with your views I always like to see what you think You one of those people who when you make a post its not just your opinion but its also well written and funny at times " ham sandwich" :lol"

GD do you have another link to this story outside of Breitbart?

Not really...you not very patriotic hey Lexx?

Meshugger I'm not sure if I have asked you but why dont you like Merkel ?

http://time.com/time-person-of-the-year-2015-angela-merkel-choice/ An excellent choice in my books, guys I know some of you aren't really fond of her but read this article. Its objective Well done Germany and well done Merkel

Does not know enough details to tell how it would work, but it's worth looking at. Seems she should be a bit more informed You know why she won't commit to a strategy now....if she does she will face the full onslaught of powerful and vociferous groups like the NRA who will really attack her on any idea and it will become a distraction