BruceVC

"Pay back" is phrase used when you're insinuating retribution with violence, which is very seldom used here on the continent since we have history of guys impaling 40 000 people just to prove a point. Your colorful language is greatly frown upon. I suggest trying to reach out by appealing to our common humanity instead. Well, someone have to pay....usually the ones who pay are the descendants who run away from paying. The debt must be paid. What have been taken must be returned..... No chance of that, what country actually enforces that type of rule And you must remember I live in country where there are some black South Africans who really expect some sort of financial payment from white people ...so its a real question I don't mean literally... No I do....people want cash payments for Apartheid

"Pay back" is phrase used when you're insinuating retribution with violence, which is very seldom used here on the continent since we have history of guys impaling 40 000 people just to prove a point. Your colorful language is greatly frown upon. I suggest trying to reach out by appealing to our common humanity instead. Well, someone have to pay....usually the ones who pay are the descendants who run away from paying. The debt must be paid. What have been taken must be returned..... No chance of that, what country actually enforces that type of rule And you must remember I live in country where there are some black South Africans who really expect some sort of financial payment from white people ...so its a real question

Qistina I want to ask you something important I am really enjoying our chats but there are some people who are still not sure you a real person and I have my doubts still as you seem to repeat questions almost knowing for some strange reason people will react Do you use Skype ? I would like to quickly Skype you with the video option to confirm you who say you are...we can use the PM function to exchange Skype addresses I'm sorry to ask you this but the reality is there are people who troll me and I waste time debating points If you dont use Skype let me know what chat client you use but it must allow video

I'm guessing you didn't click through the pictures? Sorry I'm also listerning to music so my screen is stretched but I did see them now. It still doesn't convince me I must apologize as I am not use to you engaging in these debates and I realize you are being serious, sorry if I seemed dismissive Let me ask you an important question, why do you think Erdogan would buy this oil and allow ISIS to grow and survive

Gorth I would like to point something interesting out to you but before I make my point where have you lived in your life? Denmark, New Zealand, Australia, Germany and England? (that's 'living', not just spending an amount of time there) Okay I wont go the normal "BruceVC knows what you really thinking " approach and try this a different way Firstly I would bet you have lived in more countries than anyone else on these forums Then how did you feel about the various countries you lived in? I imagine you have fond memories of all of them...except Germany ..I still am surprised you went to Germany, do you speak German?

I admit its fascinating Anyone who believes that is irrational

How would you explain all the trucks on the borders, that the Turkish government is oblivious to if we are to believe you? I eagerly look forward to your random reply blaming "whitey". Sorry my bad. Turkey has a huge and easy to cross border if you know who to bribe , its a massive country. Obviously anyone in Turkey who would be prepared to buy the oil has means to process it and getting access to trucks is common in the ME ...so trust me you may think a convoy of trucks is unusual but its not in the ME

In Malaysia? mistake

Gorth I would like to point something interesting out to you but before I make my point where have you lived in your life?

Okay what didn't I answer, I explained the photos arent enough....they just photos?

No...they even mention later on in the article that there is no definitive link between the oil and Erdogan the officials did not specify what direct evidence they had of the involvement of Erdogan and his family, an allegation that the Turkish president has vehemently denied You see anyone who is anti-Western like Drowsy and Zora would want this to be true, this would have serious ramifications for Tiurkey. They would be suspended from NATO and the West would completely cut them out from the campaign against ISIS Whoever has been buying the oil from ISIS is responsible for sustaining them...meaning also responsible for all the carnage and mayhem. Its a very serious accusation....but I don't believe Erdogan would be so stupid, sure people within his country maybe ...but not him? Man I am pro-west and I want to get Turkey out of NATO and EU. I can hardly believe that there are thousands of trucks stuffed with oil on Turkey border and they dont know about them? seriously, you cant believe that No my friend you see you want Turkey to join the EU, its best for everyone if the EU integrates a Muslim country. Dont take this the wrong way but one thing this thread has taught me is many of guys have no experience with meeting normal moderate Muslims Also you don't want the EU to be seen as a " white man only club" . Letting Turkey in will make no difference, white people will still be in charge and make the decisions ...so don't see this as an attack on your culture

No...they even mention later on in the article that there is no definitive link between the oil and Erdogan the officials did not specify what direct evidence they had of the involvement of Erdogan and his family, an allegation that the Turkish president has vehemently denied You see anyone who is anti-Western like Drowsy and Zora would want this to be true, this would have serious ramifications for Tiurkey. They would be suspended from NATO and the West would completely cut them out from the campaign against ISIS Whoever has been buying the oil from ISIS is responsible for sustaining them...meaning also responsible for all the carnage and mayhem. Its a very serious accusation....but I don't believe Erdogan would be so stupid, sure people within his country maybe ...but not him?

And just to be clear which Muslim countries have apologized to what Western countries ....seriously I know none ?

Gfted1 dont believe the Turkish government was involved unless there is proof...but Russia is being really vindictive ..they even played the old " Turkish president's son heads one of the biggest energy companies, or that his son has been appointed energy minister. What a marvellous family business! "

Yeah nations are created and divided. We were part of HRE, then Austria-Hungaria, then SSSR - choose what you like. Well I can do it for you: Ohh those evil Islamists. We were part of our beutifull HRE and then Ottomans come and break it and now I am no longer HRE, bee, I want to be citizen on HRE again, evil Ottomans bee Well, i am not Ottoman, but i know you are agressive because i am Muslim, and you say Muslims are Ottoman, isn't it? I say "the west" because it is really the WEST who messed up with us in the past...specifically Portuguese, Dutch, Spanish and English... I dont think I am more aggresive than you are and I am not using Islamists because you are muslim, I am using it in same way you are using 'west' term. I suppose you are not using 'west' term because I am atheis/christian? My advice is you guys should avoid debating...you will misunderstand each other

Chillloutman what she is saying is complicated but also true ....but its hard to understand if you didn't live in country that practiced Colonialism like me I know what she means I live in country that was 40 years under communist regime of different state, we get out in 1990 from it, I think I know what I am talking about No its not the same I'll try to explain because I can see how you may think it is Colonialism stripped people of any identity or feeling of purpose. It was also implemented initially against nations that were living very simple but happy lives Communism was forced on you and it was terrible but it was suppose to be about equality ... it was not a reality where you were treated as not even human

Chillloutman what she is saying is complicated but also true ....but its hard to understand if you didn't live in country that practiced Colonialism like me I know what she means

No you are wrong there, I am a white English person but I was born in Africa so I know a lot about Colonialism When were your people begging for work? Aaaah don't play that game...if you know about colonizations then you know what i am talking about... There used to be a time where my people depend on British almost as if withoout the British we will lost, working with white masters is a guarantee of life...become your servant, your ghurka, polishing your shoes, open the door, carrying your stuff, and say "yes mem...yes sir...", working in your plantations and mines in our land, working in your companies in our own land...this is the life of us Malays under your "western education"... Do not pretend you don't know what you done to indegenious peoples around the world... Yes of course I understand what Colonialism means Sadly I had family member who were involved in Apartheid And yes Colonialism was a terrible system that mistreated many people. But I'm still not sure what you would like the UK to do now ? If its justice you are after the West has bled and suffered immensely during WW1 and WW2 But seriously what would you like from the West? I just want the west admit your crimes in the past and making an open apology... This is post-liberation Malays...see what you done to us...? What i mean is, if you fear your western values gone because of refugees in your country, i say it is "karma"....you will change like you changed us... Yes I understand this but for reasons of expected reparation the West can't apologize or admit it was wrong in a case of Malaysia But I'll apologize, sorry. My advice is you don't need an apology to find your identity?

No you are wrong there, I am a white English person but I was born in Africa so I know a lot about Colonialism When were your people begging for work? Aaaah don't play that game...if you know about colonizations then you know what i am talking about... There used to be a time where my people depend on British almost as if withoout the British we will lost, working with white masters is a guarantee of life...become your servant, your ghurka, polishing your shoes, open the door, carrying your stuff, and say "yes mem...yes sir...", working in your plantations and mines in our land, working in your companies in our own land...this is the life of us Malays under your "western education"... Do not pretend you don't know what you done to indegenious peoples around the world... Yes of course I understand what Colonialism means Sadly I had family member who were involved in Apartheid And yes Colonialism was a terrible system that mistreated many people. But I'm still not sure what you would like the UK to do now ? If its justice you are after the West has bled and suffered immensely during WW1 and WW2 But seriously what would you like from the West?

Man learn to quote, no-one wants to read wall of text which are no longer integral to disscussion bellow Good point but can you answer the actual question

Thank for sharing I am learning a lot , is Slovakian language the same as Czech? Very Close, we can understand each other without problem (well, if you are not too young) Why did your countries separate ? By greedy politicians in 1993, but without war, which would not be possible in many of the "civilized" countries They just signed some papers, and we became two states. Actually Slovaks were very nationalist (after czechs invested tons of money to industrialise them ) but no hard feelings from Czech side, town were I live is full of Slovaks because of better job opportunities and univeristies. We are like brothers and sisters who like to tease each other from time to time Well it was only the typical "loud minority" Led by V. Meciar and J.Slota and their "nationalistic" rhetoric because they wanted to get their corrupt hands on privatizing the fruits of the said industrialization :-/ Lot of common people at that time prefered loose federation over separate states :-/ This is interesting, do you see now when you are faced with a perceived threat like Islamic extremism that actually challengers your entire culture how similar you are ? In other words you are family

No you are wrong there, I am a white English person but I was born in Africa so I know a lot about Colonialism When were your people begging for work?

Thank for sharing I am learning a lot , is Slovakian language the same as Czech? Very Close, we can understand each other without problem (well, if you are not too young) Why did your countries separate ?

When you make posts like this I think you are trolling because this has been discussed at length The West allows Muslims to practice freedom of religion and be Muslim . Why would you battle to maintain to be Malay or Muslim, do you mean living in Malaysia ? The West won't force women to wear a hijab ...we have no codes around dress and that will stay like that unless Western governments lose elections to conservative ones

Thank for sharing I am learning a lot , is Slovakian language the same as Czech?