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Neither of those guys are gonna be the nominee in this cycle and I don't see Rand making it past the primary in 2020. I agree about Hillary being the wrong candidate though, and could see someone like Kasich or Romney 2.0 beating her. Its interesting you guys feel Clinton would be beaten by the likes of Kaisch, it not the first time I have heard that On what evidence do you have to support this, lately various polls and even the last Presidential election have got the predictions wrong. I remember I was in the USA 1 week before the last election and everyone was predicting Romney would win ....and he didn't

Nice Story ...that sounds picturesque the whole bees incident

You forget who you're asking. Nah....Meshugger is normal to me, remember when Zora compared him to me

Hurlshot if you disagree with what I say maybe you raise the points you find incomprehensible Everything I said about that video I can support ....in fact I could have been much more dismissive

The reality of the matter is that Bernie on the democrat side and Trump on the republican side are winning votes is the natural result of the establishment ignoring the needs of its constituents, often thanks to the media pushing to what electability is or should be. It's a top down movement, and in a country based on revolutionary principles, they better start to listen now, or the day of the rope dawns nearer. That's not unique to any state, society, empire or civilization, historically speaking, and she is highlighting the forces that are at bay. Not really, Hilary Clinton will be the nominee so that fight agaisnt establishment is over and who can say if Trump will become the Republican candidate. But thats something the Republicans need to resolve I'm not sure what fundamental changes Trump will make that his supporters think will reshape American society....but lets see

The South is a gigantic number of delegates, though, and while he's projected to do better outside of it, he's not projected to do so well he can make up for being absolutely crushed in the South, which is why he's currently projected to lose. He's also currently losing in Florida and Michigan, the latter of which he needs to be winning, and the former of which he needs to be at least sort of close...Oh I'm not expecting Berne to win, or even hoping for it tbh. I'm expecting/hoping Bernie to draw in enough support to drag on the primary long enough to publicly expose the Democratic party for the undemocratic institution it is and to show how liberals for are spineless corporate lapdogs instead of the defenders of the working class they larp as. At the very least I'd like to see the primary process challenged, as it is pretty stupid. As I mentioned I liked Sanders...he genuinely seemed to care about a more fair society...you just cant tear down whats working to achieve this

Small things like these makes me a happy bunny. I am not getting it, what makes you happy about this? Exposing the establishment as the globalist frauds they are. I'll be honest I have read that Twitter debate about 3 times and I'm not getting it Howard Dean wants to Vote for Hilary...a reasonable and prudent choice. What is the link to the establishment...or is that the other link you referring to? Having a dense day perhaps? They are exposing themselves right in the open. Here, have a video about what's brewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VMZSXzy7O0 That was a very tedious video to sit through....that women is anti-Obama, anti- Democrats and anti-Hilary...she represents a sector of Trump supporters. I reject basically everything she says. The Republican party has been fractured by Trump, of course Romney will oppose him as he represents the Republican establishment ...I support the establishment but they left it too late One of the many spurious points she makes is dismissing the GOP security leaders criticism of Trump..read this. Its not unfounded http://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/ Anyway her view doesn't represent the views of the Democrats or Republican establishment and its her own biased view..so I'm not sure why you think this is fact and proof of the end of Western establishments ?

Howard Dean (ex governor of Vermont) is superdelegate (meaning that he has one delegate vote in democratic national convention where 130k people that voted in democratic primary in Vermont are represented by 16 delegates) for Vermont, so he is member of DNC establishment and his vote counts much more than your typical democrat. I didnt know what a super delegate meant, thanks for explaining But does it change my point? Hilary Clinton is going to be the Democratic nomination....its basically inevitable Millions of Americans feel she is right person to be the next president. Howard Dean feels the same way, why should he vote for Sanders? 86% of people of Vermont voted Sanders so they would like to see that Dean would factor in will of people of Vermont when he cast his vote and people in that twitter thread aren't that pleased of his answer that he don't represent people and will vote according to his own views. Okay I see, so basically people in Vermont feel Howard Dean doesn't have a right to vote for who he feels is the right candidate....he must do what the majority of people in Vermont do Seems a bit selfish and unreasonable to me ?

Howard Dean (ex governor of Vermont) is superdelegate (meaning that he has one delegate vote in democratic national convention where 130k people that voted in democratic primary in Vermont are represented by 16 delegates) for Vermont, so he is member of DNC establishment and his vote counts much more than your typical democrat. I didnt know what a super delegate meant, thanks for explaining But does it change my point? Hilary Clinton is going to be the Democratic nomination....its basically inevitable Millions of Americans feel she is right person to be the next president. Howard Dean feels the same way, why should he vote for Sanders?

The South is a gigantic number of delegates, though, and while he's projected to do better outside of it, he's not projected to do so well he can make up for being absolutely crushed in the South, which is why he's currently projected to lose. He's also currently losing in Florida and Michigan, the latter of which he needs to be winning, and the former of which he needs to be at least sort of close... There's nothing to misunderstand, Bruce. That's good, because you are, after all, the one making all the posts that you are constantly making that have made us regard you this way. Barti you make me laugh But please can you admit I have been a very constructive and positive view when it comes to you, we may have a few disagreements but I would think you generally agree with me ?

Small things like these makes me a happy bunny. I am not getting it, what makes you happy about this? Exposing the establishment as the globalist frauds they are. I'll be honest I have read that Twitter debate about 3 times and I'm not getting it Howard Dean wants to Vote for Hilary...a reasonable and prudent choice. What is the link to the establishment...or is that the other link you referring to?

Small things like these makes me a happy bunny. I am not getting it, what makes you happy about this?

Every disagreement I've had with you where you failed to provide a coherent argument to support your view, let alone evidence to support it, has convinced me more of the strength of my position and the weakness of yours. So I suppose you exist as an example of how views can be reinforced by a clueless opposition and you're influential in getting people to believe the opposite of what you advocate for. Yes, I feel you have definitely misunderstood me if thats what you think I blame myself for that negative view you have ...but I am trying to change that. We just need another chance to debate about an interesting topic

KP please tell Sharp what an important influence my posts have on your perspective...I think he thinks no one cares what I say

But I would take Romney any day over Trump....wouldn't you? But you would never vote republican regardless, so no one cares which republican candidate you prefer. Well I haven't aligned generally with the Republican presidential candidate over the last few years but I am not completely anti-Republican. My view on US politics is more nuanced than that. How do you know no one cares? I have legions of people on this forum who formulate there entire view on global politics on what I say I could try to inform you but I'll be honest it will be loads of hard work to get you to understand my view....but if you are prepared to work hard and listen to what I say I'll educate you Neither you or Bruce can even vote, so your point seems a little silly. Thats true...also I'm not sure why not being a US citizen would have any relevance on me commenting on US politics ?

Drowsy I would really like you to read this book...its called Civilization. The author is one of the worlds most respected Historians, he is one of those writers who has the ability to explain facts in a way that is interesting. It answers many questions about the West..I think you will appreciate it http://www.niallferguson.com/publications/civilization

But I would take Romney any day over Trump....wouldn't you?

Your cognitive dissonance and hardcore ignorance is showing. Evidence of censorship on this very forum is linked on this very page below, and that is by no means an isolated incident of censorship in the land of Obsidian in my experience. On the wider scale that I was referring to (I was not limiting my observation to this particular forum), there are cases of various forms of censorship, in particular in schools, that make national news almost every day. If you look into the Foundation for Individual Rights in Higher Education ,or even the ACLU (they are less consistent in fighting censorship, but they do often fight it) you can find an in recent times ever increasing number of censorship cases, often (though certainly not always) driven by sentiments the SJW crowd holds dear. Much more could be said, but given your usual immature ignorant response, I think it's likely a waste on you. Vals I agree with Hurlshot on this one I think you are exaggerating...but just to be clear about what you are suggesting. Are you saying the SJ movement represented by SJW is influencing institutions like schools?

I do think what Romney said is true but its also just galvanized Trumps supporters even more ...but thats to be expected. Remember for the average Trump supporter he can do no wrong Romney is just seen as old school Republican establishment to them and his views are irrelevent

Okay that is one of the funniest things I've seen :lol:

This is a very good post, its reasonable and convincing on resonates with me on some levels, I need time to consider what you say but once again a very good post But let me ask you two questions Do you want the EU to disintegrate and if so what would be the future ...as you mention do you suggest a new EU? What criteria and laws would bind it together... If you want the EU to survive what would your immediate or long term changes to the EU be that you feel the EU has to implement to sustain itself..you say things like " member states need to cooperate and support each other" but thats a little unclear as its not specific enough

The ideology is what matters and yes the European countries ( who are mostly the EU now ) along with other Western countries did win\survive the Cold War Western Ideology = Democracies, respect for human rights, free press, respect for rule of law and free markets to drive the economy amongst other things And the EU is an excellent example of Western ideology and it is a success

Border control is issue to countries that have lots of non-registered refugees like for example, how Greece feels isolated and Austria has expressed their displeasure towards Germany's plans to block refugees on border. Also France didn't like Belgium's decision to control their border. If this countries can't form some sort agreement how border control in EU will work it will only strengthen anti-EU parties in said countries which will lead disintegration of EU. It as single would not be enough, but there is lots issues which EU member states currently have different opinions and have hard time to come up solution that all would be agree. We can see clear examples for this in how Greece feels that it is closed of from rest of EU and how UK (although border control issue has little do with UK's desires to leave as it isn't part of Schengen area) wants to leave from EU. No...no ...no Elerond please, stop thinking the EU is going to disintegrate Its not, border controls and refugees are not enough to end the EU. The main advantage of the EU are the economic advantages, the reduced trade tariffs and ease of countries trading within the EU borders. The EU has survived the Cold War, the rise of Fascism and numerous real economic crisis's...and it has endured Yet you guys think somehow some weak, impoverished, disillusioned and landless people who come from war torn countries where there are no functional governments is going to somehow lead to the end of the prestigious and relevant EU? Greece due to austerity was the most likely country to leave the EU, under Tsipras and all the " harsh" conditions of austerity they could have voted to leave...and guess what? They didn't even leave the EU. So I don't see any real evidence except for right-wing rhetoric that countries " will be leaving the EU due to borders and refugees" Its hyperbole and demagoguery and I encourage all people in the EU to ignore it, the EU will persevere ...the EU will survive this refugee crisis I guarantee you

No, its more than his normal disdain for anyone who questions him. Thats why he refused to attend the last Fox News Iowa Debate http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news/trump-refuses-to-participate-in-gop-debate-calls-fox-s-megyn-kelly-a-lightweight-1.657687

Hurlshot you mustn't insult SJW....they not all weirdos. Think of all the the good the SJ movement has done for the world