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Okay but where did you get the number of 1400 from...Muslim rape gangs in the UK? I have never heard of such a term...do you have links ? But I do agree sometimes in its attempts to be inclusive the EU can make mistakes .

Somehow I doubt the veracity of this claim. I dont only doubt I reject it with complete contempt , the suggestion that the FBI is either ineffective or indifferent is just right wing hubris ....no substance to it Its happened in Europe, why can't it happen in the US? In Europe? What do you mean...what organisation is like the FBI in Europe He's saying there are law enforcement agencies in Europe that ignored something because muh religion of peace. Granted in this case it seems this guy bought ammunition fairly regularly(IIRC) and buying more wouldn't have set of any more red flags than normal. If you want the FBI to investigate every instance of persons of interest buying ammo, that would require a huge amount of man power and I don't want a visit from the party van every time I buy guns or ammunition. Okay, I see what he means But its a bit unfair to compare Europe to the USA, there is no equivalent to the FBI in Europe and the EU has to balance security with the reality of its borders So who would you blame in the EU for the various failures in security? Each country has its own way of ensuring there are no terrorist attacks

Somehow I doubt the veracity of this claim. I dont only doubt I reject it with complete contempt , the suggestion that the FBI is either ineffective or indifferent is just right wing hubris ....no substance to it Its happened in Europe, why can't it happen in the US? In Europe? What do you mean...what organisation is like the FBI in Europe

You never heard me say such a thing. Thats true but you do agree there is a degree of distrust towards certain US government programs from many people Whats the happy medium GD, so for example how would we convince people the real threat to the US can be prevented by the likes of Prism so how do you accept it and at the same time not think the government has questionable motives for these types of initiatives ?

WOD do you think if Trump was president institutions like the FBI would become more effective ? I find myself sometimes surprised by what you guys want from your governments. For example the NSA gets vilified for developing a system like Prism but yet people feel the government doesn't do enough to prevent terrorism ?

I'm funny hey Volo

I appreciate your concern but dont believe the fear mongering, I dont want the UK to leave but its not as serious as it may seem Lets say the UK does leave, we will see 12-18 months of economic instability but then things will stabilize. The UK will still be part of NATO and it will negotiate new trade deals. The EU will persevere but it will obviously miss the UK substantial financial contribution but it will survive Which foreign powers concern you ?

Somehow I doubt the veracity of this claim. I dont only doubt I reject it with complete contempt , the suggestion that the FBI is either ineffective or indifferent is just right wing hubris ....no substance to it

I heard on Sky from certain commentators that the UK fishing industry has been decimated or rather severely impacted by the EU and there rules but reading this article now I'm not sure if you see what Greenpeace and Geldof have to say the issue seems to lie in the UK?

I presume he means that any indictment would be politically blocked. Get the federal prosecutor to decline to prosecute? Say that the emails are inadmissable since they were obtained illegally? Claim any incriminating emails were planted by hackers? I'm sure they could come up with something. You'd kind of hope that even a recommendation to indict would kill off a presidential candidates chances, so maybe something prior to recommending an indictment... There are certainly plenty of people who'd happily spike the investigation for political reasons. In any case, not like Wikileaks has actually released anything yet. Except chemtrails, I hear reliably they're up to their necks in that little attempt to mass medicate the world clandestinely. Why else would Assange spend all his time inside, hmm? Unless he was trying to avoid the chemtrails! Quod erat demonstrandum. Who knows? Sometimes we all fall into the trap of thinking that all parties involved are acting upon the objectively most optimal, sound or most rational model and make such decisions thereafter....which in fact doesn't happen so often. Guys please dont think Assange and his Wikileaks actually offer credible evidence that governments act on The USA really doesn't base foreign and domestic policy decisions on what Assange thinks or says, in fact waiting for Assange to " drop " the next Wikileaks bombshell is inconsequential to most people except for people on forums who love conspiracy theories

She has died, terrible incident

...and there we have it. The solution is not for banning guns or more survaillence. Rather, it's about Islam accepting the gay. They are clearly not inclusive enough and we as society need to focus on the toxic masculinity which is spread in their mosques. Homosexuality is rejected by the Muslim world, they must be the most intolerant religion as far as homosexuality is concerned In the ME many countries have the death penalty for anyone found to be gay If this guy was indeed gay he would have been in this permanent state of confusion and he would have been conflicted. Sadly when certain people refuse to accept who they are as far as sexual orientation is concerned they sometimes resort to violence as a way to somehow deal with the frustration of not being able to be themselves I have seen this before, sometimes the worst bigots end up being gay themselves

Wow ...that dad sounds like a positive influence

Barti you funny Barti when new information comes our way we tend to rethink ideas or maybe change our views

Volo thats an unfair and unreasonable characterization of my motives Why would you think I dislike my own gender? I just dont believe men are victims in society So when you're robbed at gun point, the law shouldn't prosecute because as a man you can't be a victim? You cheeky, I have a good mind to put you over my knee and give you a good spanking

^Ladies and gents, Poe's law in action. You think? His answer seems reasonable and rationale ? As long as you imagine programmers to be omnicompetent and faultless, sure. But any computer system's only ever going to be as good as the guy who made it, and false positives (not to mention false negatives) are pretty much inevitable even if you imagine that it works only with the tiniest rates of error because of how unimaginably huge is the amount of information it has to chew through. Sure, those are all valid issues with computer systems But Prism is much more than that, of course its architecture is classified but Snowden released some details I have asked people I know who work in the US what they know about it and I got some mixed feedback So apparently Prism is a rack of super-computers and it really has the capacity to analyze all required domestic data in the USA but it has modular targeting of data so you would select email, social media etc. The analysis would take time and you would need to find a data signature but it can be used more effectively internally if the US citizens stopped vilifying it

Are you trying to imply that the best way to address the inequality of wealth is to get more US citizens out in the fields picking vegetables? Because that would be ridiculous. You can't improve your economic situation if you can't get a starter job because you can't compete with below minimum wage, tax evading illegals. Used to be lots of good jobs for Americans in the construction industry, not any more. It's not just illegals either, it's all the H2 and H1B visa holders driving down US wages. Build the wall and enforce the law. I also expect him to put US interests first. Fair enough, the Trump wall can be built if the USA pays for it....it just seems to be a complete waste of time and resources

Volo thats an unfair and unreasonable characterization of my motives Why would you think I dislike my own gender? I just dont believe men are victims in society

^Ladies and gents, Poe's law in action. You think? His answer seems reasonable and rationale ?

article date: May 24, 2006 current date: June 13, 2016 post rating: perfect 5/7 I wouldn't expect Bruce to understand elementary statistics or arguments based on them, but failure to count along his fingers is a new low. It's little gems like this that leave little room for doubt that it's a troll account. Sorry I was 1 year off, doesnt change the fact its horribly outdated and inaccurate

Not necessarily This guy lived in the USA for years so he would have had an Internet presence but the question is how long before the attack did he keep using the Internet and who did he communicate with in the days before. o But Gfted1 the suggestion to use Prism more aggressively is viable. I'll be honest I dont understand how you guys who live in the USA arent insisting on it. These should be the ONLY questions people are ruminating on Does the USA face real threats domestically from extremists : YES Is there are a way to improve surveillance and increased monitoring : YES Will this increased monitoring impact me as a US citizen : NO Will this increased monitoring access my data : YES There hasn't been a single case I know of where Prism has been abused, yet people have this irrational fear of something that wont actually use there data to find real threats If there was no threat from ISIS I would say its not needed but Gfted1 can you tell me what the issue people have with Prism?

Nope No this article is utter nonsense, its not just 9 years old at the time no one knew about Prism You can tell the author doesnt know about the real capabilities of Prism because he says the USA "Secretly monitoring the email messages and phone calls " .....no mention of forums and social media Plus the author is from Norway...what does he know about the NSA

I am paying more than that by a good deal. But it isn't about the 'rich' not paying their fair share, it's about the fact you cannot grow any wealth below a certain income level, while those at the top are able to grow their wealth extremely fast. Clearly the solution is more low wage illegal immigration. WOD lets say Trump is elected president What are the things you absolutely expect him to do?

Hate to dispute any point about Gun Control in the USA but if we honest I dont think a terrorist attack by an ISIS affiliate is about the availability of guns? Because this type of person has made his mind up to attack the USA, so the getting of a gun will just be a formality But the other various shootings were about easy gun control, like Sandy Hook? 'Affiliate' that just means some moron who wanted his 15 minuites of fame. Who knows why anyone does anything. Whether his dog spoke to him and told him to kill, or God. Same difference. I hear you, it does seem pointless But ISIS does have a mandate to attack certain Western countries...yet all these attacks do is galvanize support within the USA to destroy ISIS entirely Why provoke the USA .....I'm sorry but this just confirms how shortsighted and stupid these groups are

Well I said nothing about a crusade, I called for teaching tolerance. People freaked out about my rather short statement, but I think I'll go all in anyways. Everyone is quick to jump on the ISIS bandwagon on this, but this guy didn't target Americans in general or make a political statement, he went after a gay nightclub. This is an attack on the LGBT community by a religious nutjob. Just because he is Muslim, instead of Christian, doesn't mean you just ignore the role religion played in this attack. Honestly I'm probably not doing a good job explaining myself, but I think this article does a better job expressing what I'm trying to get across: http://www.christiantoday.com/article/orlando.shooting.why.christians.must.not.stay.quiet/88192.htm I think you making an important point but I just want to be sure I understand it That article is correctly raising attention to violent attacks on the LGBT community? I have huge respect for any religious group that is prepared to support the LGBT community...its not that common to see