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I would say that Cameron's room is most likely much more interesting. Juncker probably don't even have plans to continue his political career after his tenure in Commission is over, which is probably before actual brexit happens. EDIT: It seems that Cameron's room has become much less interesting David Cameron resigns after UK votes to leave European Union Yes, Cameron I imagine will resign Despite his best efforts to do what he feels is best for the future of the UK the reality is he will now always be remembered as the UK PM who allowed the UK to leave the EU...he will step down considering the outcome of the BREXIT vote

Of course you guys realize the UK voting to leave will also have a degree of negative economic consequences, as predicted, for entire global economy? So people who think this is funny because it will " only hurt the West " are as usual horribly ignorant about the nature about the global economy I see the pound has lost 10 % of its value to the dollar, the UK is in for a period of tough economic times. But it will survive and persevere but we can expect 10-14 months of economic instability

I also watched the 2 guys and I thought they made some cogent points, they seem to come across as very sincere ?

GD !!! How rude, you dont see us getting involved in the politics of the USA and giving our opinions do you ?

Not really, economic precedent and economic reality is more important than idealistic views of " freedom " for many people

This is my prediction, end of the day the UK will prudently stay in the EU

No he cant be responsible for the degree of violence but he can be held responsible for encouraging and supporting violence in his campaign http://mashable.com/2016/02/23/donald-trump-protester-punch/#X7RJ6kYfskqw https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/13/trump-looking-into-paying-legal-fees-for-man-charged-with-assault-at-rally/?tid=a_inl

Yes there has been different degrees of violence from both sides, Trump is the one who needs to take the most responsibility as he encouraged it in the early days of his campaigning Greatness? Do you consider Trump a great man, what in your view makes him great?

This made me laugh, its true what you suggest. Its like the giant said " in this massive battle what is the MOST ineffective way I could use my size to ensure my size became the easiest target " ...

Fair enough, I just wanted to raise that consideration ...but it does seem unlikely

GD is it not possible that some of the criticism towards this season from you guys is more about confusion around the narrative as there is no book to reference ? It may even be on some subconscious level ?

Well I hope you not expecting something really dramatic ....like the UK invading Europe I reckon for someone living in the USA the only noticable development you will notice is the Pound getting weaker for about 12 months or so ?

Once again so nice to see someone in the EU on this forum say something sincere and kind about how they feel about the EU "But we do also take care of each other when needed " I have been on these forums for 4 years and I have a semi-photographic memory and thats the first time anyone has ever said anything personal and real about each other. Seriously, 4 years and not one person who lives in the EU out of all the members ever just said something like " I may have issues with the central government but I care about my fellow EU members " Even people like Elerond who is positive would say " yes I like the EU but structural changes must happen " Normally I would say something because its not normal but I left it as my second home is the UK, after SA , and this was one of those rare times where I felt I am not going to try to convince people how lucky they are \ So I left it ..... But thanks for being honest Yeah, I am afraid you are taking it the wrong way. What I mean is that a lot of European states have a model that allows freedom while people still take care of each other, and this is something I like about Europe in general. But this taking care of each other is mostly only for people of our own nationality. We simply don't have the same connection with other Europeans as we have with people of our own nationality. And why should we? I mean, I have to be honest here, if I compare myself to the average French person for example... Well, it makes me glad to be Dutch. Apologies to any French person reading this. You right I did completely misunderstand it....so you meant EU states generally only care for themselves, okay back to my silence on how close you guys all are

WOD now you are exaggerating

Sorry its not clear to me what the point is, can you summarize in a line or 2 ?

He was in idiot for charging alone, he wasn't an idiot for not giving an order you guys keep crediting him for. They broke through the walls of their prison. Which was convenient as hell, but hardly "summoned from sand". Okay good point ....but then yes the coincidence would have to be impossible She could have summoned them using telepathy?

Yes you shouldn't over-analyze those events like 2 x dragons crawling out the sand ....unless she did summon them ?

Minor rewording wont change what we already know and history will always use the account he was a Muslim extremist

You guys are almost impossible to please.....seriously This episode should be considered one of the best single episodes of any series. It had so many exciting threads and ended so many story lines....how can anyone not love it

That being said, there is a problem, and that is that Islam is still a religion imposed by government fiat in many countries. This is in direct conflict with the above, and it's not immediate for all muslims that such a thing is fundamentally incompatible with post-Enlightenment western culture. It certainly doesn't help that we tend to bomb places where Islam is second to secular law (cf. Iraq), and as Zoraptor pointed out, prop up regimes where the opposite is true.o= Oh so this is a fault of the West and basically radical Islam is caused by ...how did you frame it "muslims that such a thing is fundamentally incompatible with post-Enlightenment western culture " No I reject that completely, why dont we go back to the actual root cause and creation of al-Qaeda as ISIS came into existence because of the actions of AQ So that means we need to blame Bin Laden and he was only created because of the USSR invasion of Afghanistan ....so okay yes I agree Its the Russians who are to blame

But he did say he admires the Popes views, I even posted it ealier ...see below " I believe that we can and should move to what Pope Francis calls a moral economy " that seems like real support to me LK?

Yes kids, we must all practice indiscriminateness. The liberal mind explained : http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2016/06/18/why-liberals-support-muslims-who-hate-everything-they-stand-for-n2180270 Yes, he's insane, and his wife is insane, and his entire family is insane. You're now scapegoating the mentally ill, how intolerant of you. http://nypost.com/2016/06/18/why-the-lone-wolf-terrorist-is-a-myth This post made me laugh because of its cynical nature ... " his wife is insane "

Ros, Nonek has blocked me so I cant ask him myself but cant you ask him how he will be voting and why he is voting that way? He will have some good insights on BREXIT

What a nice gesture, she must think you the best Shady, its been years since anyone brought me breakfast ...2 years If you and your wife separate you and I should get married then you can bring me breakfast in bed everyday ..think how much fun that would be

What activity, law or behaviour previously not liked by western society should be tolerated? What is to be gained by perpetually accepting such acts? If you answer with new restaurants and interesting music then you have missed what people are being upset about. I must not be explaining myself well enough here. You can be tolerant and still have a reasonable expectation that your laws will be followed and your culture will be respected. You do not need to accept such acts, but you do not need to condemn the many for the sins of a few. You have a mentally unstable homophobic Muslim man who is the son of a Afghani immigrant (who is also pretty unstable.) He stockpiled weapons and then killed 30 people in the name of ISIS. Saying the solution to this is to condemn all Muslims is no better than those that want to ban all guns. They are both short sighted and reactionary, and ignore the vast numbers of peaceful Muslims/responsible gun owners. Islam, guns, even his use of ISIS; these are all just tools that he used to carry out a terrible tragedy. They obviously amplified his instability, and that should not be ignored. But how come no one focuses on the root of this issue? He was a crazy person. This was evident long before the shooting. He had issues in school and there were red flags throughout his life. We have a serious lack of mental health care in the US, and no one seems to be addressing it. That's my take on this. It isn't going to get better by kicking out Muslims. But yet there will be another attack on the USA and it will be linked ISIS, thats the reality of fighting a group like ISIS They will be destroyed but we need to accept terrorist attacks in the future